Player Discussion Erik Gudbranson (D) to Sens for 5th round pick

[Alf Silfversson]

First time I've ever seen someone advocate for bringing in mediocre players who aren't tough. Most fans prefer tough players to soft players.

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm advocating against mediocre, or worse, players who are brought in just because they're tough. I want quality players and if they are tough that's a bonus.

Again, what the f*** are you talking about?

Most fans can read.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

im interested to see what happens with Duke, and some of the remaining free agents. I have no interest at all in Tyler Johnson personally, not a fan of his game or contract- but some of the sweetner rumors could make that interesting

Bogo would have been a great fit, I thought he was going to be a target of ours for sure. Id take Guds over Lajoie and Jaros pretty easily however

That's fair enough right now for Gudbranson v. Lajoie or Jaros but they have room to improve. Gudbranson is very unlikely to get any better. The other two are likely to improve and COULD be players for this team once we're competitive.

 

[Masked]

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm advocating against mediocre, or worse, players who are brought in just because they're tough. I want quality players and if they are tough that's a bonus.

Again, what the f*** are you talking about?

Most fans can read.

Don't get mad because your writing is so poor that what you mean is open to interpretation.

Quality players? If they're coming here through free agency you'd have to overpay them and they're not going to improve revenues. If you acquire them through trades you'd have to give up assets. Bring in quality players when the prospects show they're good. Until then it's just a waste of money and assets.

 

[Sens Vader]

That's fair enough right now for Gudbranson v. Lajoie or Jaros but they have room to improve. Gudbranson is very unlikely to get any better. The other two are likely to improve and COULD be players for this team once we're competitive.

yeah we will have to see how he fits, but a 1 year deal is fine. Nice stop gap for when some of the kids are ready

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Don't get mad because your writing is so poor that what you mean is open to interpretation.

Quality players? If they're coming here through free agency you'd have to overpay them and they're not going to improve revenues. If you acquire them through trades you'd have to give up assets. Bring in quality players when the prospects show they're good. Until then it's just a waste of money and assets.

Huh?

Maybe, since you're an expert in communication, you can point out where I advocated bringing in mediocre players. Since that is what you alleged. I'll wait.

Since I'm getting the vibe that you're the kind of person that needs an explanation I'll provide it. All I said was that I was against mediocre tough players. Not that I want mediocre soft players.
No mediocre players who are homicidal.
No mediocre players who are old.
None that are young.
None that are cold.
None who have stung.

No mediocre players just because they have one other attribute. Go for better players regardless of their "toughness".

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Gretzky doesn’t survive the early years without Semenko. As I said, a team needs varied skill sets.

what lol

 

[Masked]

Since I'm getting the vibe that you're the kind of person that needs an explanation I'll provide it. All I said was that I was against mediocre tough players.

No. Here is what you said:

you don't HAVE to acquire all mediocre (at best) players who are tough.

Since it's easy enough to look up, it makes no sense to change your statement.

 

[TheDebater]

No. Here is what you said:



Since it's easy enough to look up, it makes no sense to change your statement.

Those two statements sound the same to me?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

No. Here is what you said:



Since it's easy enough to look up, it makes no sense to change your statement.

He never said anything about not wanting tough players. He just doesn't want mediocre players for the sake of toughness.

 

[Johnny Hanson]

He never said anything about not wanting tough players. He just doesn't want mediocre players for the sake of toughness.

It’s better than mediocre players who aren’t tough. Because let’s face it, we weren’t getting any good players anyways so they might as well be physical

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Mother excited that son is home:

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Dream comes true for Orléans hockey mom as son traded to Sens

 

[JD1]

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm advocating against mediocre, or worse, players who are brought in just because they're tough. I want quality players and if they are tough that's a bonus.

Again, what the f*** are you talking about?

Most fans can read.

Yep, most can read.

I don't want Johnson under basically any conditions. He's signed for 3 more seasons at 5 million and he's on the downside. How much further can he slide and still be an NHL player? He just cleared waivers, that should tell you something.

Bogosian. He was a healthy scratch in Buffalo. I'd rather see our young guys play than Bogosian. At this point, I don't think he and Gudbranson are the same thing. They're both former 3OAs with Gudbranson being a couple of years younger. They've both had injury plagued careers, Bogosian moreso. I think if healthy, which Gudbranson is saying he is for the first time in a long time, Gudbranson offers more. And we needed the cap hit.

You can argue that we could have got Bogosian for the 1M and applied the salary upfront and that's valid. But i think that takes away from the opportunity for the young guys up front, several of whom aren't that young and pretty much havecto be given the opportunity to show what they can do or we need to move on from them. Brown, Batherson and Balcers are all at the stage where they can either play or can't. Adding a 3M vet up front to chew up 16 minutes of ice time to me only kicks the can down the road on understanding whether some of these young guys can play

 

[JD1]

That's fair enough right now for Gudbranson v. Lajoie or Jaros but they have room to improve. Gudbranson is very unlikely to get any better. The other two are likely to improve and COULD be players for this team once we're competitive.

Chabot
Brannstrom
Sanderson
JBD
Thomson

Lajoie and Jaros would need to improve substantially AND one of those guys would need to bomb. I think Lajoie has more potential because he is younger.

My take is the team is not looking at either Jaros or Lajoie with a whole lot of optimism at this point

 

[Xspyrit]

I haven't really read this thread, just some random comments but let's keep in mind that D-men (even moreso than forwards) will always look better or worse depending on the situation you put them in, the minutes, defensive assignements, % of defensive zone starts, etc. I mean, can you blame D-men that are not among the very best to "look bad" vs guys like MacKinnon, MacDavid or Pastrnak? lol it must be hell seriously.

If Gudbranson minutes are well monitored, he could be adequate. But the problem is since the Karlsson/Methot prime years, we have been lacking defensive depht real bad, and we saw guys like Ceci and Borowiecki being asked to play well over their capabilities, which is really not a recipe for success.

I have talked a lot about this in the past (in Montreal they constantly talk about it), every defenseman has to be "IN THE RIGHT CHAIR" to be efficient

So we better hope that Wolanin, Zub and/or Brannstrom are good next year because we'll be in trouble until Sanderson and JBD get comfortable in the NHL.

Reilly, Gudbranson, Brown and even Zaitsev are guys that need to play behind 3-4 good/great D-men at least. If they have to play over their head, they will "look bad"

Cry me a river.

What pushes people away from this board is the constant sycophancy, not the appropriate pessimism.

I think the problem is more the extremes. Professionals are being thought at a young age to stay "even keel" no matter what happens. Like them, we should try to have more balance and perspective, appreciate the good stuff, criticize the bad stuff but try hard to not fall into the extremes on either side of the medal.

If some people are getting annoyed by the blind defending of Melnyk for example, some others are going to be annoyed by the constant "doom and gloom" or "complaining/whining/etc". Without exception, we all have to make an effort to keep it "enjoyable" for everybody. I continue to work on this.

 

[GCK]

Anthony Duclair for one. No need to trade a 4th or 5th for him either. For other forwards look to acquire Tyler Johnson with some retention by Tampa.

Or overpay for one year of a better D. Give Bogosian $2M for one year. He's not great but he's better than Gudbranson or Brown.

There are countless options. I'd rather have Jaros or Lajoie cutting their teeth in the NHL than have Gudbranson.

1. The door is not shut on Duclair. Maybe he finds 5M elsewhere but we will see.

2. Johnson has a NTC, the only way to acquire would have been waiver pickup. I was all for it personally but when Yzerman passed on him that was a real eye opener as they could have really used him.

3. I would have taken Bogosian in a heartbeat, do you know if we talked to him. I would have thought he could get better tan 1 x 1 so maybe he wanted to go to a team with playoff aspirations. Very confusing as there had to be better offers for him even if not from us.

4. Lajoie is no longer a prospect IMO, he was a healthy scratch in Belleville a few times, it’s probably best if you just accept he’s done here. Jaros needs to find his game, the team gave him a QO so they must have hope but he was only getting 8-9 minutes a night in Ottawa. Gudbranson is a solid if uninspiring pro who can take 20 minutes a night and likely plays some with Chabot. I personally don’t love the move but I’m not in charge.

 

[Micklebot]

4. Lajoie is no longer a prospect IMO, he was a healthy scratch in Belleville a few times, it’s probably best if you just accept he’s done here. Jaros needs to find his game, the team gave him a QO so they must have hope but he was only getting 8-9 minutes a night in Ottawa. Gudbranson is a solid if uninspiring pro who can take 20 minutes a night and likely plays some with Chabot. I personally don’t love the move but I’m not in charge.

According to pick224, Lajoie had the 2nd highest estimated time on ice per game for Belleville, behind only Brannstrom. Not sure how accurate that is but seems odd for someone that was a healthy scratch at times.

 

[GCK]

According to pick224, Lajoie had the 2nd highest estimated time on ice per game for Belleville, behind only Brannstrom. Not sure how accurate that is but seems odd for someone that was a healthy scratch at times.

It does seem odd at first but if you remember the D in Belleville was decimated at times. When they had a full complement he was pushed way down the depth chart.

 

[Masked]

According to pick224, Lajoie had the 2nd highest estimated time on ice per game for Belleville, behind only Brannstrom. Not sure how accurate that is but seems odd for someone that was a healthy scratch at times.

I thought Lajoie's issue this past season was that he was still recovering from an injury the previous season which effected his mobility?

 

[Micklebot]

I thought Lajoie's issue this past season was that he was still recovering from an injury the previous season which effected his mobility?

definately looked less mobile when I watched him compared to when he first suited up with the sens way back. I don't know if he ever gets it back, but we'll probably know one way or another after things start up this year.

 

[JD1]

I thought Lajoie's issue this past season was that he was still recovering from an injury the previous season which effected his mobility?

Yes, he has a sports hernia surgery in the spring of 19 and depending on the severity of it, it can pretty much wipe out off season training

I'm more high on a future NHL career for Lajoie than Jaros

 

[WaitingInVain]

Yes, he has a sports hernia surgery in the spring of 19 and depending on the severity of it, it can pretty much wipe out off season training

I'm more high on a future NHL career for Lajoie than Jaros

Lajoie looked like a guy that couldn't cut it at the NHL level.

Jaros' consistency and decision making seem to be an issue.

Have to think they have both have been passed on the organizational depth chart.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

That's fair enough right now for Gudbranson v. Lajoie or Jaros but they have room to improve. Gudbranson is very unlikely to get any better. The other two are likely to improve and COULD be players for this team once we're competitive.

I don’t think Jaros is worse than gudbransson right now.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Lajoie looked like a guy that couldn't cut it at the NHL level.

Jaros' consistency and decision making seem to be an issue.

Have to think they have both have been passed on the organizational depth chart.

Gudbransson has looked like a guy that couldn’t cut it at the nhl level.
Gudbranssons consistency and decision making seem to be an issue.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Nutivaara was just traded for nothing, meanwhile we trade a 4th+5th for Gudbranson and Brown

Man, I can't believe this.

The cost for the trade is low but Gudbranson is the type of guy that gets bought out in this economy. He was a healthy scratch in the last two seasons and has been injured a lot as well.

It's hard to see us spend money on that type of player at this point .... There are a ton of good players dealt that make similar dollar figures and teams are desperate to unload these guys. Why in the world would you give away cap space and salary to a guy that simply doesn't bring much to the table.

Josh Brown and Erik Gudbranson doesn't get much worse.

I'm just a casual observer, but hard to understand the logic of these moves. I can understand getting one tough guy to protect the young players, but why three? You'd think it would have been a good time for the Senators to land a reasonable player (or two) on a bargain contract given the current economic conditions. Missed opportunity & puzzling. Got to think money (spending less actual $s) was the only motivation I guess.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I don’t think Jaros is worse than gudbransson right now.

I don't either but some could make an argument that he is at least.