Erie Otters 2022-23 Season Thread

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I don't think they expected to be where they are now (basement), but there is no contingency plan at face value or at least there doesn't appear to be one. Our trades this season have reflected on 3 people who haven't hit their ceiling in their hometowns moving to an organization that hasn't really developed anyone of real value since the glory days.

Who's left as trade capital, Cohen? I realize that the Fimis trade was likely a done deal prior to Bressette's injury but I still believe it to be unwise given our position this season and the price we paid for him.

Gilmartin is a top 6 for us, but would he be with a contender? We've also been without for nearly a month? Alfano, same question.

If we are making a run next year, and all indications seem to point that direction we will maybe have a super solid top 6 on offense, but then the drop off is considerable if the kids aren't growing.

Daviault is probably not even a top 4 defender for this team ATM when we stand to lose Morton this season and in all likelihood Johnston and/or Kulakov next.

Even if we clean house before next season, or even this one, the incoming brass will quite literally be expected to work miracles with pretty much nothing.

Hindsight being 20/20 Jim should have never let it get this far.
I don’t really know the otters situation. But I read some are not exactly happy with the Lockhart trade or the trade for Fimis, a reasonable facsimile of Lockhart imo. I don’t really get that since Alfano & Fimis are the same age, and same age as Sova.
 

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He’s a great player. Didn’t have the chance to show anything in Niagara. I hope that things turn around for him.
i will disagree, he was overhyped in his draft year and still has not performed. he was never a 2nd overall pick, more a 8-13th overall pick.
 
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The Fimis deal could be 2.5 years. He’s probably a good OA candidate.
I get that, but given that Erie now has no 2nd and 3rd round draft picks (currently) for the next couple seasons and the coaches seem to not be able to develop players who do we put around him, Spence, Molnar, and Terrance? We, in theory, are still digging a whole with our team and not producing.
 

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I don’t really know the otters situation. But I read some are not exactly happy with the Lockhart trade or the trade for Fimis, a reasonable facsimile of Lockhart imo. I don’t really get that since Alfano & Fimis are the same age, and same age as Sova.

It isn't that people are necessarily unhappy with the Lockhart trade at face value. A "promising" goal scorer (Alfano) who needed a change of scenery traded for Lockhart who is rumored to have demanded and/or also needed a change of scenery.

Sproule did very little in Erie in 3 years being a first round pick, goes to the Pete's and explodes.

Lockhart, first round pick did slightly more than Sproule, leaves and explodes.

The trade for Alfano looks extremely one sided now with regards to player vs player comparison and the disappointment is a direct result of, these kids have talent, but why not here? So then we get frustrated with coaching. Throw in the bad trades, lack of draft picks since 2017, and the flat-lining of the franchise since then and people are just fed up.

They want a top down change from Waters and they wanted it last year. This year is basically rubbing salt in the wound.
 
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Also,

Lavoie hasn't been added to the suspension list as of yet which is a little curious. I would think they would at least put the player, date of the game, and indefinite for the length until it is finalized, correct?
 

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Also, for those outsiders of Erie who are curious as the state of the team, etc...this tweet sums up a lot with the black hole we currently are:



Malcolm Spence was drafted 2nd and some argued he should have gone 1st. He is of an insane talent, yet doesn't crack the top 5 for rookies. He was argued as the person most OHL ready and possibly had the highest ceiling. If he doesn't develop, it only further highlights the lack of development from these kids coming here and how we are screaming for a change of leadership from top down.
 
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Also, for those outsiders of Erie who are curious as the state of the team, etc...this tweet sums up a lot with the black hole we currently are:

Malcolm Spence was drafted 2nd and some argued he should have gone 1st. He is of an insane talent, yet doesn't crack the top 5 for rookies. He was argued as the person most OHL ready and possibly had the highest ceiling. If he doesn't develop, it only further highlights the lack of development from these kids coming here and how we are screaming for a change of leadership from top down.
This is a little extreme. 3 of those players are 05s. One is the exceptional status Michael Misa 07. So really for the 06s it comes down to Sennecke with 26 points just a little ahead of Spence with 20 points.

I understand there is a lot of frustration for what's been happening in Erie, but I'm not sure it's warranted in this particular instance.
 
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Also,

Lavoie hasn't been added to the suspension list as of yet which is a little curious. I would think they would at least put the player, date of the game, and indefinite for the length until it is finalized, correct?
Are you sure he’s going to be suspended?
 

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Are you sure he’s going to be suspended?
He had two majors and a game misconduct. With the blindside hit especially with a player injured without the ability to play out the rest of the season, you’d like he’d see games from the stands.
 

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He had two majors and a game misconduct. With the blindside hit especially with a player injured without the ability to play out the rest of the season, you’d like he’d see games from the stands.
That’s all true, but one of the majors was for being jumped, and the game was automatic. So it was basically a major for head contact, which might not come with an automatic suspension.

I’m not saying he shouldn’t be suspended (I think he should be), but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s not.
 
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Mata

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At least Cohen was suspended for 2 games from New Years Eve...

 

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How has Daviault been playing since the trade?

Not really noticeable tbh...

Maybe he needs more time but prone to a lot of turnovers and doesn't have the best positioning when in the defensive zone
 

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So let me get this straight… a player who hit his stick on the glass which led the ref to being “scared” warrants a 10 game suspension, but an Otters player goes down on the ice motionless with no idea who it could be for 5+ minutes leading to a stretcher carting him off the ice resorts on 0 games for the player who ended Bressette’s season. Lavoie showed 0 remorse and intentionally hit Bresette, yet Cohen gets 2 games for sticking up for his teammate.

The OHL needs to do better. It ridiculous how subjective this league is. It’s rather disgusting quite frankly.
 

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So let me get this straight… a player who hit his stick on the glass which led the ref to being “scared” warrants a 10 game suspension, but an Otters player goes down on the ice motionless with no idea who it could be for 5+ minutes leading to a stretcher carting him off the ice resorts on 0 games for the player who ended Bressette’s season. Lavoie showed 0 remorse and intentionally hit Bresette, yet Cohen gets 2 games for sticking up for his teammate.

The OHL needs to do better. It ridiculous how subjective this league is. It’s rather disgusting quite frankly.
Cohen didn't get suspended for sticking up for his teammate. He was suspended because there is a league rule that gives an automatic 2 game suspension for instigating a fight in the last five minutes of a game regardless of the events that led to it.. Lavoie not getting suspended is a head scratcher to say the least.
 
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Cohen didn't get suspended for sticking up for his teammate. He was suspended because there is a league rule that gives an automatic 2 game suspension for instigating a fight in the last five minutes of a game regardless of the events that led to it.. Lavoie not getting suspended is a head scratcher to say the least.
Which I’m aware of the rule, but he didn’t fight himself nor dead air… so there should’ve been a suspension to Lavoie and the OHL failed to do their job.

Notice a Guelph player took a nasty fall needing the trainer immediately. Kyle Downey IMMEDIATELY took a knee near the face off dot. Maybe the OHL needs a seminar on having class and sportsmanship for other teams reference.
 

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Which I’m aware of the rule, but he didn’t fight himself nor dead air… so there should’ve been a suspension to Lavoie and the OHL failed to do their job.

Notice a Guelph player took a nasty fall needing the trainer immediately. Kyle Downey IMMEDIATELY took a knee near the face off dot. Maybe the OHL needs a seminar on having class and sportsmanship for other teams reference.
As far as I'm aware, there has never been a suspension to any player leaguewide for being instigated upon. Think of the hit as a separate event from the fight. That is what is suspension worthy.
 

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So let me get this straight… a player who hit his stick on the glass which led the ref to being “scared” warrants a 10 game suspension, but an Otters player goes down on the ice motionless with no idea who it could be for 5+ minutes leading to a stretcher carting him off the ice resorts on 0 games for the player who ended Bressette’s season. Lavoie showed 0 remorse and intentionally hit Bresette, yet Cohen gets 2 games for sticking up for his teammate.

The OHL needs to do better. It ridiculous how subjective this league is. It’s rather disgusting quite frankly.
It’s hockey. You can intentionally hit people. Sometimes they get hurt. I only watched it twice but I wouldn’t really call it blindsiding. It was blindside because Bresette had his head spun around watching the puck, not because of the angle he took to the player. It broke his collarbone so….not exactly evidence of a high or headshot either. I was expecting a suspension though because it was predatory, needless that late in the game at that stage and Lavoie was a d-bag after the fight. How your tv announcers couldn’t figure out who it was is beyond me. Weren’t they watching the play? I mean, it’s only your best player.
 
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McDonald took a high stick and the ref had his hand up to call a delayed penalty. Naturally Erie pulls for another attacker. Guelph touches the puck and scores.

If it’s an empty net does it not matter if Guelph touches the puck on a delayed penalty? How was it allowed to be scored? I’m just confused.

Maybe I missed something.
 
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Mata

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McDonald took a high stick and the ref had his hand up to call a delayed penalty. Naturally Erie pulls for another attacker. Guelph touches the puck and scores.

If it’s an empty net does it not matter if Guelph touches the puck on a delayed penalty? How was it allowed to be scored? I’m just confused.

Maybe I missed something.

Are you talking about when Terrance went to pass the puck backwards and it went into our net?
 
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