Erie Otters 2022-23 Season Thread

[OttersFan]

Didn’t see this one coming but it makes sense. That’s a lot of picks and I hope it’s worth it. With Bressette out, we need someone to take his place.

 

[LDN]

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Didn’t see this one coming but it makes sense. That’s a lot of picks and I hope it’s worth it. With Bressette out, we need someone to take his place.

Great move for you….Niagara just keeps selling

 

[OttersFan]

Great move for you….Niagara just keeps selling

I would’ve thought we would be sellers since we don’t have a ton of picks. We need another forward and hopefully Fimis has more class than his Niagara teammates showed last night.

 

[LDN]

I would’ve thought we would be sellers since we don’t have a ton of picks. We need another forward and hopefully Fimis has more class than his Niagara teammates showed last night.

He’s a multi year addition

 

[StingUpdates]

Bit pricey for somebody that hasn't lived up to the hype yet. Obviously hard being in that situation but not sure he's a total game changer which is what that price dictates.

You definitely have a really fun group of u19 Fs though. Hopefully works out for u guys.

 

[OHL4Life]

Great move for you….Niagara just keeps selling

hes a good player, but is he that good?

 

[2023]

hes a good player, but is he that good?

He’s a great player. Didn’t have the chance to show anything in Niagara. I hope that things turn around for him.

 

[7D442]

Is this trade a New Years Day prank ?

3-2nds and 2 - 3rds on this year ?? For all you “Smart Allic’s “ I know he will be here long term - but still .. that’s 5 extremely high end pics from the cupboard

 

[three dog night]

hes a good player, but is he that good?

He has offence ability but is a turn over machine.

 

[Mata]

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Didn’t see this one coming but it makes sense. That’s a lot of picks and I hope it’s worth it. With Bressette out, we need someone to take his place.

In all likelihood this was in the works prior to the injury to push for payoffs this year. Now, it's too early to tell, but we gave up a TON to get him.

Even if Dave is relieved of his duty, the window is opened. Next season or the one after otherwise it is going to be a painful 2020 - 2029

 

[OttersFan]

In all likelihood this was in the works prior to the injury to push for payoffs this year. Now, it's too early to tell, but we gave up a TON to get him.

Even if Dave is relieved of his duty, the window is opened. Next season or the one after otherwise it is going to be a painful 2020 - 2029

Oh I’m sure it was. It made sense timing wise to go through with the deal. They had two days to freely scout him. I didn’t think Fimis was one to watch, but I hope he pans out. We shouldn’t have traded 2nds and 3rds. I know that’s the price you pay to invest, but that’s a lot for a team who has been struggling. Our cupboard is bare.

 

[Mata]

Oh I’m sure it was. It made sense timing wise to go through with the deal. They had two days to freely scout him. I didn’t think Fimis was one to watch, but I hope he pans out. We shouldn’t have traded 2nds and 3rds. I know that’s the price you pay to invest, but that’s a lot for a team who has been struggling. Our cupboard is bare.

And now we have to rely on a coaching staff that is sub par...

Bring all the talent in the world to Erie but if they aren't developing it won't matter.

I hope he is able to play as a 2nd pick of the OHL draft and the vision to make this trade prior to the injury still would have been extremely questionable, but with Saganiuk likely out a couple more weeks, Bressette gone for the year now, and Gilmartin being suspended for the entire month of December at first glance it reeks of desperation with what we give up, but it would likely put us in a good spot (healthy rosters) in 2023/2024.

The biggest question will be can these kids be developed by our current regime, if the answer is no, then DB just sealed the fate of this franchise for the next 5 seasons with the piss poor trades he has made in the past season and a half.

 

[OttersFan]

Just saw Bresette’s hit slowed down. Lavoie targeted Bresette and led up to him with a bent right elbow and shoulder. Bresette was looking to Cohen who passed to him from the right side before attempting to skate forward. You can see Lavoie’s leg is in between Bresette’s not allowing him to avoid the hit. Brutal.

 

[2023]

Just saw Bresette’s hit slowed down. Lavoie targeted Bresette and led up to him with a bent right elbow and shoulder. Bresette was looking to Cohen who passed to him from the right side before attempting to skate forward. You can see Lavoie’s leg is in between Bresette’s not allowing him to avoid the hit. Brutal.

Lavoie is not a predator. Should he have hit him? NO!

 

[dirty12]

Just saw Bresette’s hit slowed down. Lavoie targeted Bresette and led up to him with a bent right elbow and shoulder. Bresette was looking to Cohen who passed to him from the right side before attempting to skate forward. You can see Lavoie’s leg is in between Bresette’s not allowing him to avoid the hit. Brutal.

Brutal for sure, but pretty difficult to slow down to make a hit and be sure not to miss. That is a good blindsiding call and reason it became rule 3-4 years ago imo

 

[2023]

Brutal for sure, but pretty difficult to slow down to make a hit and be sure not to miss. That is a good blindsiding call and reason it became rule 3-4 years ago imo

Did he get any games?

 

[DubCee21]

Lavoie is not a predator. Should he have hit him? NO!

He may not have a history, but this was the very definition of predatory. In the few seconds before this hit, Lavoie got laid out with a clean open ice hit near the dot closer to his bench. He got up and immediately retaliated with this one. The retaliatory nature of this, and the way it was delivered, combining the elbow to the head and the blindside, absolutely make it predatory. I mean, technically, every player is not predatory...... until they are.

 

[three dog night]

Did he get any games?

Not yet

 

[OttersFan]

Did he get any games?

The league has all week to review it since Niagara doesn’t play until Friday. I’d be absolutely stunned if it’s less than 10 games. He needs to be made an example. If one of our players injured another player (Kulakov this year), I’d say the same thing. Lavoie didn’t have any remorse or class afterwards which should go in account.

 

[dirty12]

Did he get any games?

I’m sure that he does, it was blindsiding. But I hope for 5-6 not 10-12. I don’t think it was predatory.

 

[Moroz]

And now we have to rely on a coaching staff that is sub par...

Bring all the talent in the world to Erie but if they aren't developing it won't matter.

I hope he is able to play as a 2nd pick of the OHL draft and the vision to make this trade prior to the injury still would have been extremely questionable, but with Saganiuk likely out a couple more weeks, Bressette gone for the year now, and Gilmartin being suspended for the entire month of December at first glance it reeks of desperation with what we give up, but it would likely put us in a good spot (healthy rosters) in 2023/2024.

The biggest question will be can these kids be developed by our current regime, if the answer is no, then DB just sealed the fate of this franchise for the next 5 seasons with the piss poor trades he has made in the past season and a half.

I fully agree with this analysis.

The core of the problem lies with: (1) the Otters' coaching, i.e., player development; and (2) roster construction by by the GM. I posted shortly before the Kyrou trade that the Otters needed to: (1) trade Kyrou immediately; (2) dismiss Adams immediately; and (3) recognize that 2022-23 was a lost season and build toward 2023-24 and beyond.

The Kyrou trade recouped some badly needed draft capital. The other two elements of this approach have not happened. Instead, the exact opposite has occurred. The trade for Lamis has emptied the cupboard once again in an absolutely pointless (and most likely hopeless) attempt to salvage something out of this season by making a run for the eighth seed. The book on Lamis is still out, and he may turn out to be a very good player, but he may also turn out to be something less than that. In short, this is a risky move by a GM who is (or certainly ought to be) on the hot seat. As Mata says, it reeks of desperation, and has the potential to do much long term damage.

I greatly respect and appreciate Jim Waters for what he has done for this community. However, his failure to act on the GM and coaching problems is permitting a panicked GM and an irredeemably bad player development team to do damage to this franchise which the best of GMs and the best of coaches would need years to repair.

 

[Mata]

Also, to further highlight the importance of the Fimis pick...

I was reading, and if accurate, Erie no longer has a 2nd and 3rd round pick each of the next 2 years presently.

 

[dirty12]

Acquiring probable OA in Gilmartin, ‘04 born Alfano & Fimis & ‘05 Daviault while trading away graduating ‘03s Lockhart & Kyrou looks like trying make the playoffs while re-tooling

 

[Mata]

Acquiring probable OA in Gilmartin, ‘04 born Alfano & Fimis & ‘05 Daviault while trading away graduating ‘03s Lockhart & Kyrou looks like trying make the playoffs while re-tooling

I don't think they expected to be where they are now (basement), but there is no contingency plan at face value or at least there doesn't appear to be one. Our trades this season have reflected on 3 people who haven't hit their ceiling in their hometowns moving to an organization that hasn't really developed anyone of real value since the glory days.

Who's left as trade capital, Cohen? I realize that the Fimis trade was likely a done deal prior to Bressette's injury but I still believe it to be unwise given our position this season and the price we paid for him.

Gilmartin is a top 6 for us, but would he be with a contender? We've also been without for nearly a month? Alfano, same question.

If we are making a run next year, and all indications seem to point that direction we will maybe have a super solid top 6 on offense, but then the drop off is considerable if the kids aren't growing.

Daviault is probably not even a top 4 defender for this team ATM when we stand to lose Morton this season and in all likelihood Johnston and/or Kulakov next.

Even if we clean house before next season, or even this one, the incoming brass will quite literally be expected to work miracles with pretty much nothing.

Hindsight being 20/20 Jim should have never let it get this far.

 

[OMG67]

The Fimis deal could be 2.5 years. He’s probably a good OA candidate.