Erie Otters 2022-23 Season Thread

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Yes really hope he is on his way to play big minutes for you guys, you need a break.

It just seems odd that he is coming a week before the Christmas break. Is he flying back Sunday night? The only other time I remember this timing was a kid that went to North Bay, sat on the bench for one game and then was traded during the import window. The deal was already worked out so he knew he was only there one game. I forgot the players name and where he ended up but it was North Bay to start.

I sure hope this is not the case and he works out for the Otters. Good luck going forward, just not against the Spits.
Martin Has is the guy you’re thinking of.

 
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This comment really sums it up. Molnar had interest and nearly signed in the offseason. Decided to stay home but it was always noted that if things start slow or he isn’t getting the ice with Nitra, then he likely jumps ship. By October/November, that writing was on the wall and it seemed likely or if nothing else, a really good shot, that Molnar would come to the OHL. There was an interview a month or so back that I posted with translation where the organization basically acknowledged the OHL rumors and Molnar’s limited ice time. You could tell from the tone in that article that the relationship between Molnar and Nitra org was starting to crumble and if things stayed status quo, he likely was leaving. The recent off ice incident just rushed things and made it just another reason to bail now. Why wait any longer? Especially with him now not likely making the WJC roster (at least that appears so?). The timing before break is interesting but it’s not like Erie is off for 3 weeks.. it’s just 11 days of no games. Good time to just get accustomed to the country and billets

So to answer again the prior comments regarding the timing / whether he wants to come here just to be traded - doesn’t seem so. Just seems that the off ice incident sped up the process by about 1 month but he was already trending this way
 

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Sounds like the off ice incident was in July, according to the screenshots in that twitter thread.
I guess I should have clarified - I meant the recent potential consensus because of the incident. Most people don’t react or respond to something like that until they know the potential consequences…
 

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Word on the street is if Dave Brown doesn’t get this team in the playoffs, he’s gone. That coming from season ticket holder chatter.

Kyrou is another Lodnia. He’s talented, sure, but he does so much to negatively affect this team that his skill means nothing. He’s been a nuisance all year and it’s time to unload him.

Sova has really stepped it up and could take on the role Kyrou has. A change needs to happen.
Kyrou is a lot better than Lodnia. Kyrou is undisciplined and turnover-prone but he is pretty clearly the best player on the team. Lodnia was never the best player on any team he played on. Kyrou will play in the NHL.

That said, I agree - trade him. The absolute maximum value must be extracted in any deal involving him. 2nds, 3rds and the best 16 year old the team has.

I don't think Adams is the problem, the players seem to play harder for him than they did Hartsburg, certainly, and he's definitely not underachieving. Not really overachieving, either. Even so, if Dave Brown is out at seasons end then I'm sure Adams goes too. Brown helped bring a title to Erie - I'm grateful for that, but I do think it's time to move on. I wonder if they might "kick him upstairs" into a business
-end role. He shored up the teams ticketing practices after the mess Bassin left and he's done a good job getting every penny possible out of sponsors. If he can tolerate the pay cut he might be worth keeping around as a CFO. I don't know what Waters wants to shell out for front office staff, but I think the GM needs to be able to be 80/20 focused on hockey. It might be 50/50 or worse with Brown.
 
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Kyrou is a lot better than Lodnia. Kyrou is undisciplined and turnover-prone but he is pretty clearly the best player on the team. Lodnia was never the best player on any team he played on. Kyrou will play in the NHL.

That said, I agree - trade him. The absolute maximum value must be extracted in any deal involving him. 2nds, 3rds and the best 16 year old the team has.

I don't think Adams is the problem, the players seem to play harder for him than they did Hartsburg, certainly, and he's definitely not underachieving. Not really overachieving, either. Even so, if Dave Brown is out at seasons end then I'm sure Adams goes too. Brown helped bring a title to Erie - I'm grateful for that, but I do think it's time to move on. I wonder if they might "kick him upstairs" into a business
-end role. He shored up the teams ticketing practices after the mess Bassin left and he's done a good job getting every penny possible out of sponsors. If he can tolerate the pay cut he might be worth keeping around as a CFO. I don't know what Waters wants to shell out for front office staff, but I think the GM needs to be able to be 80/20 focused on hockey. It might be 50/50 or worse with Brown.
Agree with all of this.

Sometimes part of the problem, in all of sports and in the real world, is that things just run it’s course or get stale over time. Brown has been here for over a decade and the main guy for nearly a decade. Sometimes it’s just time for a new voice, new ideas, new perspectives. That’s the same for coaching. BJ only a head coach for less than a year so for those clamoring for him to be fired now or mid season - you are off your rockers a bit. He at least deserves a full season and then you reevaluate and make changes at the end. You cannot fire Hartsburg last year and then a year later fire the next guy and/or the GM mid season. It’s a bad look and speaks to total dysfunction. I told everyone on here that they shouldn’t just make the interim guy the head coach, it’s a tale as old as time that sometimes works but more often than not just fails. But a lot of you posters wanted to give BJ a chance and now less than half a year later you want him fired. Pick a side. Full scale changes might be needed by April but nothing this year is going to change unless you are bringing in a head coach like Knoblauch with a top level track record. Otherwise, it’s a bit too late for this year to fix it if you think BJ and/or Dave are the issues.

Again, I think BJ is much better than Hartsburg and at least has a better personality with the fans and media. Hartsburg would not be getting the same out of this team as BJ. Yes, they hit a snag but BJ deserves a few weeks to dig out of it. But long term I’ve questioned the move to BJ since day 1. It’s the same voice. He’s been here now for 7 years, most of which have been down years with a culture of losing. The biggest problem on the ice is a lack of elite talent. The second is the lack of belief and/or knowing how to win. Sometimes a new voice can change culture.

Looking ahead - I’m so interested to see how Molnar looks and if he can add in instant top 6 type of talent. If so, and if this team gets healthy, they will have a good blend of forwards and there is no reason for them not to get into the low to mid 30s for wins. But if they are a sub 30 win team this year, that’s wildly unacceptable and warrants major changes from GM to the coach and to the scouts. Will JW do such an aggressive, expensive approach? I have my doubts but it’s going to be a delicate situation if they can’t improve by year end. With Molnar here, the lack of talent excuse is dwindling. No reason this team can’t be better and winning more than below .500…

Regarding Kyrou - I have so many doubts he will traded with Molnar here now and quite honestly that pisses me off just thinking about it. He’s the best asset we have had the chance to move since Raddysh. We lost out on Drysdale and imo that was the most underrated damaging thing that has happened to us during these bleak years. Kyrou has his issues but part of that is Erie allowing him to play a bit unstructured because they need the skill/offense from him. If he goes somewhere with better coaching and more structure, he might be more balanced in his game. Either way, he’s the best point producing defender in the league so Erie should be able to get a top 2005 or 2006 and 4 high end picks. If DB can get an offer for a 2006 that they liked prior to the 2022 draft and they can get 4/5 top level picks, then I think he will pull the trigger. Almost any other GM would in this situation. I just worry how aggressive he will be with trying to sell versus trying to save his job and make the playoffs. But here is the thing Dave, you at best are heading for a first round playoff exit. Kyrou doesn’t change that. Cash in those chips now. It might be a situation where it’s them only pulling the trigger on an offer they just couldn’t refuse. But DB should be dangling him out there now and starting a bidding war, driving up the price, and going for gold.

With Molnar here as an 05, Terrance a promising 05, Spence a special 06, Gibbons a high goalie pick 06, and a few younger defensive prospects - that’s a decent start to a core. You add in a 2006 first rounder and 4/5 picks, that might be something. Brown simply has to trade Kyrou but I fear he won’t…
 
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Haha I’m laughing because I just posted how I doubt DB trades Kyrou and he did it within a few hours. Man, he must read my posts 😂
I didn’t think it was off the table but I figured they would wait until the deadline to steal more wins. With Gilmartin/Saganiuk still out, I could understand wanting to wait. This is a big blow to the offense until Molnar is a stud from the jump (my guess is it takes a few weeks minimum for him to adjust). Overall, I’m happy we at least traded him. It was the smart thing to do.

My first impressions on the return though aren’t great. I feel like we could have held out more for a 2006 or another 2nd round pick. Only 3 high picks is pretty average but I do like that they favored 2024-2026 because that is closer to their next window in terms of using those picks next year or the following year to get better. Obviously the Kyrou family connection with Sarnia is at play here so it makes too much sense but why do I feel like Dave always overpays and then sells low? I never feel wowed by any moves. On the surface, this looks very average on the return. I’ll admit I don’t know anything about Daviault so I’ll wait to hear or read more about him. But you couldn’t wait another 2-3 weeks and start a bidding war?

EDIT: looked at other trades across the league and the comps suggest this was actually a good return. Not over the top great but not bad either. Similar or slightly better when compared to other trades that are involving a high end player. The key is probably what Alexis brings but I’ve warmed up a bit on the return based on market
 
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Otten had him 20 in his OHL prospects for the 2023 draft. The write up is below from Brock

20. Alexis Daviault - Defense - Sarnia Sting
I think what we, as a scouting community, need to determine this year is whether Daviault is someone who is going to be more than just a really good OHL defender. I feel very confident that he will develop into a very good, perhaps five year, OHL standout. What I'm less sure of is whether his particular skill set makes him a true NHL prospect or not. I actually like Daviault's play in the defensive end best right now. For a sub six foot defender, that may not be a great thing. He has really good anticipation in the defensive end. He always seems to be around the puck and he's more physical than you would expect him to be. He's a real competitive kid. Offensively, he's at his best when he keep things simple. He has a good exit pass, but when he tries to clear the zone with his feet or tries to be aggressive offensively, he can turn the puck over. I'm not sure he's innately skilled enough to be a true puck mover. At least at the next level anyway. He's also not a plus skater, at least moving forward anyway. Simply put, I think in order to stay on the draft radar his offensive production is going to have to be better.


Overall, it’s understandable that they would favor a more defensive player given that they still have Sova, who is no slouch with his offensive production. Seems Alexis needs to be paired with a puck mover but he’s another left shot on a backend that has just 3 right hand shots.. so that part is disappointing but I guess we give it time.
 
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My updated draft cupboard. The 2nd rounders in 2023/2024 could be wrong but as I’ve shared before - the Cirelli trade had weird conditions. I believe I tracked it right but don’t blame me if I’m wrong. I don’t see why Erie wouldn’t holdout for a 2nd or 3rd in 2023 if they didn’t have any but we will find out a day before the draft since the OHL doesn’t keep public records of this.


Erie picks 2023-2026 (2nd-5th round only)

2023: 2nd, 4th, 4th, 5th
2024: 2nd, 2nd, 4th
2025: 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
2026: 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 5th
2027 should be normal (no picks moved there yet)

If true, not a bad spot at all. Do the same thing next year with Sova and you in a pretty got spot with 2025-2027 picks
 

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What does that mean!?

Seems like he just called the trade before it was announced…

The trade was announced by Erie at 12pm. So it’s not like he is suggesting more to come. Erie doesn’t have much more to trade. Cohen but an OA. You could swap Gilmartin and get those picks back. Bressette the highest value since he’s almost certain to be back here as an OA next year. But why would Erie move their best forward? No other options. To me they are done unless they have someone asking out or they get a great offer for a spare part
 
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Seems like he just called the trade before it was announced…

The trade was announced by Erie at 12pm. So it’s not like he is suggesting more to come. Erie doesn’t have much more to trade. Cohen but an OA. You could swap Gilmartin and get those picks back. Bressette the highest value since he’s almost certain to be back here as an OA next year. But why would Erie move their best forward? No other options. To me they are done unless they have someone asking out or they get a great offer for a spare part

move sova but i dont even know what that would look like
 
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move sova but i dont even know what that would look like
No reason to move him now. He’s guaranteed back next year and could be back as an OA (though unlikely since I think some NHL team eventually signs him). I guess you could but it leaves you dry on the backend and you no longer have any offense there. Plus your dreadful PP only gets worse. If Sova demanded it then sure but he’s here for at least another calendar year
 

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No reason to move him now. He’s guaranteed back next year and could be back as an OA (though unlikely since I think some NHL team eventually signs him). I guess you could but it leaves you dry on the backend and you no longer have any offense there. Plus your dreadful PP only gets worse. If Sova demanded it then sure but he’s here for at least another calendar year
agreed, hes the only guy i could see erie getting an 06 for, but i dont know why they would do that, hes maybe their top player now.
 
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I was probably Daviault's #1 fan on our thread so figured I'd let give some info since I cant even remember the last time these two teams met lol (good luck tonight!)

Daviault as a 16 yr old had one heck of a season. We were destroyed by injuries so he got put into a tough, tough spot as a rookie. Had to play top-4 pretty much the entire 2nd half & for nearly an entire month we ran 4D so he had to play 30 minutes a night which is an absurd ask for a rook.

He handled it about as well as anyone could've asked. Which left me ecstatic for his potential moving forward. Unfortunately this season he just hasn't looked the same. Many of the things you guys didn't like about Kyrou, Daviault tends to do. Holds onto it to long, puts himself in bad spots, isn't overly tough in his own end & can come off a bit careless at times.

But when he is playing well & to his strengths he's an incredibly effective defensemen with great upside. He skates fairly well & uses it a lot, has really solid puck skills & is fearless. He's a fine defender that can be exposed at times, but he's still young to be fair. He is a pest too which hopefully u guys come to like as much as I did haha. I've rarely seen 16 yr old D piss off as many guys as he did just from chirping & little wacks, cross checks. He had the entire Flint roster taking runs at him last yr because he got under their skin & it didn't bother him one bit.

He'll have his bumps but I fully believe he'll be a solid Dman in this league who should be able to run your PP. Really do hope he does well for u guys.. Starting tomorrow haha.
 
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