Epic Calder Race 2024-25

[kp61c]

More than a half of Hutson's points are secondary assists?

 

[Frank Drebin]

More than a half of Hutson's points are secondary assists?

Prorated to equivalent secondary assist value he has 44 assists on the season so far. Still not bad.

 

[Crow]

Again. Look at the pic you posted. It's even-strenght. You've already been warned about this. This stat sheet includes empty net goals, where he is 0gf 13ga.

You've just proven once more how dishonest you are.

I dare you to post an equivalent with 5v5 only, but I know you won't because you've been challenged on this already and still haven't put up.

Hutson's 5v5 GA/60 is 2.87. Hardly a bad defensive stat.

6 v 5 you are saying is even strength in that graphic?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Here is the honest view:

Even-strenght:

5v5

With Empty Net

Against Empty Net

 

[EveryDay]

That Flyers fan is pretty funny but let's not put all Flyers fans in the same boat, he's the most delusional poster on HF.

The guy still think that York was a better pick then Caufield lol.

6 v 5 you are saying is even strength in that graphic?

He said 6 vs 5 is not 5 on5.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Never mind, I think I get it now.

6 v 5 you are saying is even strength?

ES includes 5v5, 4v4, 3v3, with empty net and against empty net. The only places he's bad and a high negative is WITH EMPTY NET.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

More than a half of Hutson's points are secondary assists?

Which are often timely passes or long outlet passes. He opens up the play.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Which are often timely passes or long outlet passes. He opens up the play.

Or rushes where he gains the zone
Or on the power play where he draws the defender away from the player who ends up getting the primary assist

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

LOL Montreal fans are so deluded thinking the guy pacing 5 goals on the year is going to win the Calder

Don't forget to mention -15...

 

[Frank Drebin]

Here is the honest view

What site is that

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

What site is that

Natural stat trick

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Celebrini is awesome and may even have a better career than Hutson but right now, this season, the above cannot be stressed enough. What Hutson is doing is incredible. The fact that he is about to insert himself within a list that only includes guys that played in the 80s is just nuts. All the while doing it on a team that is very average.

I think this is a point that bears repeating... the winner of the Calder trophy doesn't necessarily go on to have the best career. Cellebrini is 18y years old and Hutson's 20. It's not the same thing even if they are playing different positions. But that doesn't (or at least shouldn't) factor into the Calder voting.

Honestly, I hope for Hutson because I'm a Montreal fan but any of these guys could win it. And losing to any of them - there's no shame in that.

For Hutson to lock it down, I think if he can get the most points of that group the trophy will be his. A blueliner winning the scoring race is just too big to ignore.

 

[wetcoast]

Again, the poster pointed out that Matheson only plays more because he's on the PK. Hutson plays more at ES and on the PP.... Honestly no one who watches more than 2 or 3 habs game would say that Matheson gives you a better chance to win right now. No one.

Sure because preventing goals on the PP simply doesn't matter right?

 

[bud12]

6 v 5 you are saying is even strength in that graphic?

Yes. Empty net play are considerate like ES play.

 

[FlyguyOX]

73% of Michkov and Celebrini's points are primary points. 47%(rounded up) of Hutson's are primary points.

 

[Fledgemyhedge]

You don't seem to understand what I'm saying it's not forever just right now, ie rest of the season and your coach MSL seems to agree since he is playing one guy a hell of alot more right?

But maybe I'm wrong about habs fans knowing alot about hockey, it seems fantasy stats rule the day.

Don’t like this argument.

1) could easily be time management for a rookie, it’s a long season and they often get gassed. Think we saw this before 4 nations where the wear of the long season was slowing him down and then after he perked right back into form.

2) coaches get things wrong all the time. If he truly believes Matheson is better….. ok we also had a coach play David desharnais as our 1st line center for 2 seasons.

Matheson is getting demolished offensively by Hutson so where is he making the gap up. Defense? Matheson sucks bad aswell. He’s good for a laughable gaffe a game

 

[FlyguyOX]

That Flyers fan is pretty funny but let's not put all Flyers fans in the same boat, he's the most delusional poster on HF.

The guy still think that York was a better pick then Caufield lol.

Lol what?? I never said that. No idea who you have me mixed up with.

 

[bud12]

73% of Michkov and Celebrini's points are primary points. 47%(rounded up) of Hutson's are primary points.

Keep digging. Maybe you will find gold

 

[ginomini]

Sure because preventing goals on the PP simply doesn't matter right?

No one said that, but you are not picking Matheson for his PK ability either, he isn't more than average there.

The idea that Matheson is a more important piece than Hutson is simply laughable, I'll stop arguing here. You simply have zero knowledge of the players we are arguing about.

 

[Zorro]

73% of Michkov and Celebrini's points are primary points. 47%(rounded up) of Hutson's are primary points.

bahaha...first of all goals are always primary points lol. When you are talking about secondary points, we are specifically talking about assists. So in mitchkov's case, his primary assists are 33.3% of his total points and Hutson's primary assists are 37.5% of his total points.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

73% of Michkov and Celebrini's points are primary points. 47%(rounded up) of Hutson's are primary points.

You do understand the situational differences between forwards and defensemen?

Bouchard has 30 of his 47 points as secondaries. Morrisey, half. Quinn Hughes in his rookie season had 22 of 53.

Most top Ds have around 20. Hutson has 26. Big whoop. Habs are a rush team and Hutson initiates those rushes, whether by carrying and passing as he enters, or with outlet passes.

 

[Frank Drebin]

73% of Michkov and Celebrini's points are primary points. 47%(rounded up) of Hutson's are primary points.

Hurts don’t it

Lol what?? I never said that. No idea who you have me mixed up with.

Lets just say, that even if you didn’t say that, it wouldn’t be surprising for anyone if you did

I think it was @dgibb10 that was the one who said that though, that york was a better pick than caufield. Another opinion to take, how should i say this, with a grain of salt

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

73% of Michkov and Celebrini's points are primary points. 47%(rounded up) of Hutson's are primary points.

Here I'll give you another stat that MIGHT enlighten you on his impact.

When Hutson gets a point in a game:
24-11-1
When Hutson doesn't get a point in a game:
6-15-4

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

I am really confused why a flyers fan is trying so hard to discredit Hutson? and he is failing pretty damn hard

 

[benfranklin]

Is this still epic? Seems like a pretty boring year Calder wise. One runs a bad teams PP, one was hurt, and one wasnt as good as the hurt guy.