Proposal: Epic 4 team Trade WIN-ANA-NYR- OTT

[jay from jersey]

after careful deliberation i have come to the conclusion it is going to be tough to please everyone so Ill give it a shot. I've thought this out and can't wait to hear feedback.

ANA trades cam Fowler
OTT trades Macarthur 1st round pick curtis lazar
NYR trades mats zuccarello and 2nd round pick
Win trades jake trouba

ANA gets Ott 1st rd pick and curtis lazar
WIN gets Fowler NYR 2nd Rd pick
OTT gets mats zuccarello
NYR gets Trouba and Macarthur (LTIR never play again)

why you ask???

for Ott. with mac going down it leaves a huge hole on their second line left wing.. Zuc and brass are best friends, play extremely well together and made Nash a 40 goal scorer a mere year ago. No reason to think the both of them can't have the same results with Ryan. Zuc is signed for 3 more years at a 4.5 million cap hit so the salary also works out well for the situation in OTT.

For WIN. chevy said he wants a LD who has similar value to trouba to deal him. Fowler is a solid d-man who is only 24 years old. stabilizes that ugly LD on the jets and gives them a solid top 4. a lot cheaper then trouba. 2nd rounder sweetens the pot.

ANA ducks have theodore who is ready to make the jump who can replace fowler tomorrow. they also just drafted larsson who looks solid in his own right. Ducks are a budget team so this moved salary from fowler frees them up a little bit when negotiating with lindholm and rakell. Lazar gives them a good third liner, former 17th overall pick with solid upside who is cost controlled and a 1st rounder probably 12-22 range.

NYR has a glut of young and up and coming forwards and not enough spots to play them all. it is going to suck big time to lose zuc but they get back (hopefully) their #1 RD for the next 7-8 years.
Makes a top four of McD-Trouba Staal/skjei/klein pretty solid. also they are about 2.5 million under cap as it is. add that with zucs 4.5 and that gives them enough space to come to a long term deal with trouba for around 5.5-6.5 mill per a la dougie hamilton situation. macarthur's contract is insured I believe so the team is only on the hook for half the cash. NYR doesn't care about money, we have our own printing press. It is not counted against cap.


I think NYR would need to talk extension with trouba's agent first to know what each other is working with. and at some point girardi has to be gone before EXP draft.

flame off everybody

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[anezthes]

Fowler for a 1st, Lazar? Yeah, no.

ANA ducks have theodore who is ready to make the jump who can replace fowler tomorrow.

No, he can't. Fowler is so underrated it's not even funny.

Lazar gives them a good third liner, former 17th overall pick with solid upside who is cost controlled and a 1st rounder probably 12-22 range.

Which means nothing.

 

[jay from jersey]

which means he has talent

Fowler for a 1st, Lazar? Yeah, no.



No, he can't. Fowler is so underrated it's not even funny.



Which means nothing.

21 year old put up 20pts playing primarily 4th line.. you guys fawn all over silfverberg and his 39 pts like he is the reincarnation of jesus christ. problem is ANA is a budget team as well. its hard to add solid young cost controlled players while not adding salary. that is a solid return for a # 3 d-man 2 years away from a pay raise. I say without question without this trade happening or not this would be a more similar return then what most ducks fans think they would get for fowler. I think you guys are over valuing your guys a little much

 

[InGusWeTrust]

Nash hit 40 goals twice with CBJ. They didn't make him score 40. He also hit 30 like 6 other times.

 

[jay from jersey]

huh

Nash hit 40 goals twice with CBJ. They didn't make him score 40. He also hit 30 like 6 other times.

obviously they contributed to it. Nash had 42 goals year before last playing with Zucc and brass. The highest total in his career. Those 2 I can tell you from watching NYR games played a big part in it. but this isn't a nash thread

 

[thedoughboy]

Its hard to get two teams to trade together, let alone 4. Never going to happen. Value is ***** too

 

[TGWL]

after careful deliberation i have come to the conclusion it is going to be tough to please everyone so Ill give it a shot. I've thought this out and can't wait to hear feedback.

ANA trades cam Fowler
OTT trades Macarthur 1st round pick curtis lazar
NYR trades mats zuccarello and 2nd round pick
Win trades jake trouba

ANA gets Ott 1st rd pick and curtis lazar
WIN gets Fowler NYR 2nd Rd pick
OTT gets mats zuccarello
NYR gets Trouba and Macarthur (LTIR never play again)

why you ask???

for Ott. with mac going down it leaves a huge hole on their second line left wing.. Zuc and brass are best friends, play extremely well together and made Nash a 40 goal scorer a mere year ago. No reason to think the both of them can't have the same results with Ryan. Zuc is signed for 3 more years at a 4.5 million cap hit so the salary also works out well for the situation in OTT.

For WIN. chevy said he wants a LD who has similar value to trouba to deal him. Fowler is a solid d-man who is only 24 years old. stabilizes that ugly LD on the jets and gives them a solid top 4. a lot cheaper then trouba. 2nd rounder sweetens the pot.

ANA ducks have theodore who is ready to make the jump who can replace fowler tomorrow. they also just drafted larsson who looks solid in his own right. Ducks are a budget team so this moved salary from fowler frees them up a little bit when negotiating with lindholm and rakell. Lazar gives them a good third liner, former 17th overall pick with solid upside who is cost controlled and a 1st rounder probably 12-22 range.

NYR has a glut of young and up and coming forwards and not enough spots to play them all. it is going to suck big time to lose zuc but they get back (hopefully) their #1 RD for the next 7-8 years.
Makes a top four of McD-Trouba Staal/skjei/klein pretty solid. also they are about 2.5 million under cap as it is. add that with zucs 4.5 and that gives them enough space to come to a long term deal with trouba for around 5.5-6.5 mill per a la dougie hamilton situation. macarthur's contract is insured I believe so the team is only on the hook for half the cash. NYR doesn't care about money, we have our own printing press. It is not counted against cap.


I think NYR would need to talk extension with trouba's agent first to know what each other is working with. and at some point girardi has to be gone before EXP draft.

flame off everybody

Ignoring any value here, I don't know if the Rangers can do that without making a moves first. Expansion could be a problem. Also, depending on what Trouba wants, having Macarthur on LTIR could hurt us. I'm not 100% sure on this, but Rangers can't commit more to the cap for next year, than the current cap hit for this year. So having Macarthur could really screw things up if Rangers give Trouba the money he wants, extend zibby, and then makes some other moves. For a team like the Rangers, who are usually against the cap, taking an LTIR contract is poor management.

 

[dracom]

21 year old put up 20pts playing primarily 4th line.. you guys fawn all over silfverberg and his 39 pts like he is the reincarnation of jesus christ. problem is ANA is a budget team as well. its hard to add solid young cost controlled players while not adding salary. that is a solid return for a # 3 d-man 2 years away from a pay raise. I say without question without this trade happening or not this would be a more similar return then what most ducks fans think they would get for fowler. I think you guys are over valuing your guys a little much

We have no room for lazar in the lineup. We don't need a 4th liner or a 3rd line center. We also have no real need for a 1st. We're especially not going to trade a 24 year old #2 defenseman for a 1st and a 4th liner.

Also, Silf put up those 39 points while playing on a shutdown role against teams top lines.

 

[Jumptheshark]

when was the last time there was a four team 10 player/asset deal?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Fowler for a 1st, Lazar? Yeah, no.



No, he can't. Fowler is so underrated it's not even funny.



Which means nothing.

All we get for Trouba is Fowler and a 2nd?! Fowler is so overrated its not even funny.

Seriously, Fowler doesn't do it even with the 2nd. Not even close.

 

[Rufus]

Ottawa makes out like bandits.
Rangers aren't going to trade Zuccarello. He's a key offensive piece. If they wanted Trouba, they'd find another way to get him.

 

[voxel]

OTT adds at least a good NHL player into the deal. They make out like bandits in this deal.

 

[bernmeister]

I applaud the effort.
It was solid, in good faith.

As can be seen, there is no consensus on value.

 

[robbieboy3686]

21 year old put up 20pts playing primarily 4th line.. you guys fawn all over silfverberg and his 39 pts like he is the reincarnation of jesus christ. problem is ANA is a budget team as well. its hard to add solid young cost controlled players while not adding salary. that is a solid return for a # 3 d-man 2 years away from a pay raise. I say without question without this trade happening or not this would be a more similar return then what most ducks fans think they would get for fowler. I think you guys are over valuing your guys a little much

+1 BM takes this deal 100% maybe a 3rd/4th gets added as a sweetener

 

[Uchiha]

Ottawa does this easily

 

[Hunter368]

All we get for Trouba is Fowler and a 2nd?! Fowler is so overrated its not even funny.

Seriously, Fowler doesn't do it even with the 2nd. Not even close.

Agreed. Fowler? Meh....no thx

 

[lindholmie]

Agreed. Fowler? Meh....no thx

Fowler is underrated tbh. 35 points on average while being able to play 22+ mins. He is only 24 and can get better. 4 mill is a great contract

 

[WestleySnipez]

Fowler is underrated tbh. 35 points on average while being able to play 22+ mins. He is only 24 and can get better. 4 mill is a great contract

His point totals have been on the decline for the last three seasons, he's been a minus player in 4 of 6 seasons on a team that's made the playoffs 5 out of 6 seasons. He's not a top pairing guy, he's been playing with Kevin Bieksa on the second pairing. I'd say most Ducks fans overrate him.

There's also the fact that Anaheim is crunched for cap space and needing to sign Lindholm (who's clearly the better of the two defensemen) and Rakell, and all the other teams in the league know this.

Anaheim is not going to get what the fans expect Fowler is worth. As the need and pressure to clear cap space grows, Fowler's value drops. They are certainly not going to get a 1st round pick and a young forward for him. I imagine that his value falls somewhere in the B level prospect+2nd round pick.

Gudbranson is a comparable trade, sure he doesn't put up as much points as Fowler does, but he has a similar +/- rating and averaged about 21 minutes last year.

Gudbranson and a 5th for McCann, a 2nd, and a 4th.

Fowler could reasonably go for a 1st round pick considering the situation Anaheim has on their hands right now, but I guarantee you teams are going to lowball the Ducks into something like a 2nd and a 3rd/B-Level prospect.

 

[Exit Dose]

Gudbranson is a comparable trade, sure he doesn't put up as much points as Fowler does, but he has a similar +/- rating and averaged about 21 minutes last year.

Gudbranson and a 5th for McCann, a 2nd, and a 4th.

Fowler could reasonably go for a 1st round pick considering the situation Anaheim has on their hands right now, but I guarantee you teams are going to lowball the Ducks into something like a 2nd and a 3rd/B-Level prospect.

If that's the return then it would be better to lose him to the expansion draft. Anaheim would pay that much to give themselves the better shot at the cup that keeping Fowler gives. Besides if Fowler is this bad, apparently we run a greater risk of losing Despres or Manson.

 

[Hunter368]

Fowler is underrated tbh. 35 points on average while being able to play 22+ mins. He is only 24 and can get better. 4 mill is a great contract

Ability aside........never would Chevy trade Trouba who has 4 years left for a player with only two years. 50 cents on the dollar effectively.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Not trading Fowler for a 1st and Lazar if we trade Fowler we need a better player coming back to the Ducks.

Also Fowler is underrated because of people who don't watch him play much and just looks at those hero charts that says Schultz > Fowler. It takes actually watching a player to be able to get the full picture and teams understand this that is why they have scouts.

 

[Blue Goose]

Ability aside........never would Chevy trade Trouba who has 4 years left for a player with only two years. 50 cents on the dollar effectively.

This.
I keep seeing Fowler's name come up in these Trouba threads, and I honestly can't see the Jets trading Trouba for someone so close to UFA.

 

[Exit Dose]

This.
I keep seeing Fowler's name come up in these Trouba threads, and I honestly can't see the Jets trading Trouba for someone so close to UFA.

Weirdly, the people that keep suggesting it aren't Ducks fans or Jets fans.

 

[vipernsx]

EPIC....failure

 

[Sureves]

As a Sens fan sure; my immediate though is Anaheim loses here. I think it's reasonably fair for Winnipeg and New York though.