Proposal: Epic 4 team Trade WIN-ANA-NYR- OTT

[WestleySnipez]

It's cool you're comparing the Kes trade to Fowler. Seeing as their situation is no where close to being the same; different stages in their careers, different positions, and one asked for a trade to only 2 teams in the league. They are not comparable situations at all.

Fowler is a #2 defensemen on a playoff team, you are aware of that right? We went to the WCF game 7 against the Hawks two seasons ago with Fowler leading the defense. Fowler is easily one of the best players we have during the playoffs.

I agree you don't go looking to screw over other teams, which far too many people on here try to do, but that also doesn't mean the Ducks are going to take an offer they deem incredibly low. If Murray was that desperate, it would have happened already. My guess is other teams are trying to extremely low ball him, and Murray isn't taking it.

As for teams that are probably most likely looking at Fowler; Detroit has players going on LTIR I believe so I think they can fit Fowler under the cap (a DWR would know the situation better though).

Boston could use a good young defensemen to take over when Chara retires, and they have almost 6 mil in cap space right now with a few contracts ending next season. If we get Pastrnak or Spooner in return, we could sign them to a bridge deal until other contracts of ours are up.

NJ could use a good LHD defensemen to replace the minutes lost by Larsson, Florida is pretty set on defense I believe so I don't see a fit there, same goes with Carolina actually.

With that said, I believe there are still teams out there that could use a guy like Fowler and could afford him. Dallas, Winnipeg (separate deal if they trade Trouba), Habs, Ottawa, and the Blue Jackets are teams that could have a spot for Fowler.

It's not ideal, but there are still enough teams that could be looking at Fowler which should keep Murray from caving in and giving up Fowler for spare parts just for cap space.

I didn't bring up the Kesler trade, I was merely providing a point as to why the Kesler trade got want it got. If you had read what I was replying to, you'd see Ducks in a Row mentioned the Kesler trade first, and I was replying to that comment.

Detroit is not the ideal partner, sure they have LTIR, but the Ducks would still need to take cap back in order for it to work.

Pastrank and Spooner are both going to be expecting increases, close to what Store got in Ottawa I'd imagine. If one is moved for Fowler, that does not leave space for Boston to resign the other and Morrow at the end of the season.

You and I agree New Jersey would be a good partner, but the other teams you listed all have players of their own to sign at the end of the year and would be strapped for space if they acquire Fowler and send no cp back the other way.

I'm currently on mobile and can't quickly pull up stats like I can on my pc, but I was looking at them earlier as potential trade partners, and the amount of rfa r expiring contracts on key players made them a no go. The amount of teams Anaheim can trade with are low.

 

[Xspyrit]

"top 9" is a very cute way of saying bottom 6.

Detroit has some top 12 forwards and top 6 defenseman to offer them for Fowler. You interested, Anaheim?

Lmao... Lazar is suppose to graduate this year to 3rd line RW (which is top-9, aka 3rd line), he has a spot open (but is sick actually). He produced 20 pts per 82 games in his first 143 NHL games (age 19 & 20) from 4th line defensive duties mainly. People underestimate how much production is about opportunity as well.

HF is gonna HF, people look at stats and say "look at that, it's a bust"... but in reality he has been following Mike Fisher's career trajectory... There is no rush for him to develop into a top-6 forward, if he is ever to become one (personally, I see him becoming a really great 3rd line 200 ft player). He will just get paid less for longer. Ottawa has enough offensive depth, as well as many offensive weapons coming in the next few years.

Actually its a 1st rd pick, + Lazar for Zuccarello and + about 19 millon $ saved

That'd be different then, but there is no guarantee yet that :

1) The contract was uninsured.
2) MacArthur is going to retire.

 

[Mister Twister]

MacArthur has stated that he has every intention to return. You can't LTIRetire a player when they're healthy and unwilling to quit, so you're entirely gambling on his being incapable of ever coming back.

 

[Chief]

ANA trades cam Fowler
OTT trades Macarthur 1st round pick curtis lazar
NYR trades mats zuccarello and 2nd round pick
Win trades jake trouba

ANA gets Ott 1st rd pick and curtis lazar
WIN gets Fowler NYR 2nd Rd pick
OTT gets mats zuccarello
NYR gets Trouba and Macarthur (LTIR never play again)

OTT's giving up less value than any other team IMHO compared to what they're getting.

 

[anezthes]

His point totals have been on the decline for the last three seasons, he's been a minus player in 4 of 6 seasons on a team that's made the playoffs 5 out of 6 seasons.

And yet he's been ANA's best defenseman for quite some time. He's part of the reason why we've made the playoffs.

He's not a top pairing guy, he's been playing with Kevin Bieksa on the second pairing.

That's incorrect. He played on the top pairing with Bieksa. Which, you'd know if you watched Ducks games.

He can handle top pairing minutes. Ideally, you'd pair him with someone better than Bieksa. That's a tough burden to carry.

Lindholm, whom every HF poster seems to love due to advanced stats, couldn't carry Bieksa FWIW.

I'd say most Ducks fans overrate him.

That might the case. It's also most likely a byproduct of everybody else severely underrating him.

There's also the fact that Anaheim is crunched for cap space and needing to sign Lindholm (who's clearly the better of the two defensemen) and Rakell, and all the other teams in the league know this.

He has the potential to be, absolutely. He hasn't shown that consistently yet.

 

[WestleySnipez]

And yet he's been ANA's best defenseman for quite some time. He's part of the reason why we've made the playoffs.



That's incorrect. He played on the top pairing with Bieksa. Which, you'd know if you watched Ducks games.

He can handle top pairing minutes. Ideally, you'd pair him with someone better than Bieksa. That's a tough burden to carry.

Lindholm, whom every HF poster seems to love due to advanced stats, couldn't carry Bieksa FWIW.



That might the case. It's also most likely a byproduct of everybody else severely underrating him.



He has the potential to be, absolutely. He hasn't shown that consistently yet.

I admit the only time I watched Ducks games is when they play against Vancouver.

If Fowler is the better defenseman, then why are most of the rumors I'm hearing are of Fowler being moved to clear space in order to sign Lindholm? You keep the better player. You and I both know Lind Holm has far more value than Fowler, it would make more sense to trade him if that was the case.

 

[Exit Dose]

I admit the only time I watched Ducks games is when they play against Vancouver.

If Fowler is the better defenseman, then why are most of the rumors I'm hearing are of Fowler being moved to clear space in order to sign Lindholm? You keep the better player. You and I both know Lind Holm has far more value than Fowler, it would make more sense to trade him if that was the case.

Lindholm has more value because he has a higher ceiling. Lindholm has franchise potential. Fowler is a 2/3 defenseman.

 

[SLAYER]

As a Sens fan sure; my immediate though is Anaheim loses here. I think it's reasonably fair for Winnipeg and New York though.

I wouldn't call Fowler for Trouba 'fair'.

 

[Xspyrit]

OTT's giving up less value than any other team IMHO compared to what they're getting.

That ENTIRELY depends on what MacArthur is... Is he :

1) ~ a 53 pts forward (91 pts in his 141 games with the Sens before his concussion problems)
2) a 18.6 contract that will have to be burried on LTIR but doesn't take cap space

Even in case #2, he doesn't have negative value. Just have to find a dance partner who has money to sacrifice to get some cap delivrance

If it's case #1, then you're talking about MacArthur 50 pts, a 1st round pick and Curtis Lazar (recent 1st round pick who is producing 20 pts from the 4th line at 20 y/o)

 

[Saitama]

The OP got the bernmeister seal of approval. That tells you all you need to know about this proposal!

 

[Ducks in a row]

I admit the only time I watched Ducks games is when they play against Vancouver.

If Fowler is the better defenseman, then why are most of the rumors I'm hearing are of Fowler being moved to clear space in order to sign Lindholm? You keep the better player. You and I both know Lind Holm has far more value than Fowler, it would make more sense to trade him if that was the case.

I wish more people would admit they only watch Ducks games when their team plays them.

Fowler is UFA in two years and the Ducks have a strong blueline prospect pool things like that can cause rumors for him being traded. If he is traded it will be because of those reasons.

 

[oconnor9sean]

Fowler for a 1st, Lazar? Yeah, no.



No, he can't. Fowler is so underrated it's not even funny.



Which means nothing.

Fowler is a 3 or 4 dman at best (probably #4, and that's being generous). The myth of him being a top-pairing guy has been exposed.

 

[TGWL]

Fowler is a 3 or 4 dman at best (probably #4, and that's being generous). The myth of him being a top-pairing guy has been exposed.

I don't view him as a real #1, or even a high-end #2, but #4 at best? If that's the case, half the #4's shouldn't be in the NHL.

 

[Vipers31]

Fowler is a 3 or 4 dman at best (probably #4, and that's being generous). The myth of him being a top-pairing guy has been exposed.

Yeah, the myth of exactly that having happened on one of the top teams in the league. It has all been a hoax. The NHL was a part of it, and so was Boudreau, obviously. It was a daring attempt at a long-con, but it had to fall flat in the end. It just couldn't be pulled off.

Seriously, some people are just amazing. A #4 is generous now. I mean, everybody can choose the means by which he exposes himself, but that's harsh to oneself.

 

[oconnor9sean]

Yeah, the myth of exactly that having happened on one of the top teams in the league. It has all been a hoax. The NHL was a part of it, and so was Boudreau, obviously. It was a daring attempt at a long-con, but it had to fall flat in the end. It just couldn't be pulled off.

Seriously, some people are just amazing. A #4 is generous now. I mean, everybody can choose the means by which he exposes himself, but that's harsh to oneself.

He's not good. He contributes little to nothing in preventing shots and chances on his own net and doesn't score near enough points to make up for it.

 

[Vipers31]

He's not good. He contributes little to nothing in preventing shots and chances on his own net and doesn't score near enough points to make up for it.

You didn't really need to attempt to elaborate. You weren't going to get far from a starting point so deep into nowhere.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Fowler is a 3 or 4 dman at best (probably #4, and that's being generous). The myth of him being a top-pairing guy has been exposed.

Fowler has been a leader of overall ice time on our blueline before while playing with a 3rd pair quality defense partner and being task in more of a shutdown as such his advanced stats are not that good and people think he isn't that good of a defenseman because they look at those advanced stats and nothing else. Calling Fowler a 3 or 4 dman at best (probably #4, and that's being generous) is just idiotic and shows your lack of knowledge of defenseman. Fowler is a #2 or #3 dman who has been given crappy defense partner to have to carry.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Oh look, a Rangers fan telling us about Cam Fowler. Funny how that's always the case. I wonder why that is.

He actually complimented Fowler.

I think you might have read the post and jumped the gun.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Fowler is a solid 2nd pairing defenseman. He's playing tough minutes in Anaheim with a **** partner, but I can tell you right now he's a solid #3. He doesn't put up the points you would want from a top pairing guy and his shot suppression isn't other-worldly, but with a better partner I think both would improve.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Fowler is a solid 2nd pairing defenseman. He's playing tough minutes in Anaheim with a **** partner, but I can tell you right now he's a solid #3. He doesn't put up the points you would want from a top pairing guy and his shot suppression isn't other-worldly, but with a better partner I think both would improve.

Fowler averages over 30 points per 82 games that is fine for a top pair defenseman ie #2D. If he had a solid defense partner instead of what he has been having yea his advanced stats would be better too bad for him and the Ducks we haven't had that defenseman so he has to carry 3rd pair quality defenseman so much.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Fowler averages over 30 points per 82 games that is fine for a top pair defenseman ie #2D. If he had a solid defense partner instead of what he has been having yea his advanced stats would be better too bad for him and the Ducks we haven't had that defenseman so he has to carry 3rd pair quality defenseman so much.

For an offensive type of defenseman that's playing 24+ minutes a game, 30 points is too little.

 

[lindholmie]

For an offensive type of defenseman that's playing 24+ minutes a game, 30 points is too little.

except hes not used as an offensive defensemen?

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

For an offensive type of defenseman that's playing 24+ minutes a game, 30 points is too little.

He's not an offensive dmen he's being used to shut down teams too lines while starting majority of his shifts in the dzone. That doesn't scream offensive dman

 

[Exit Dose]

He actually complimented Fowler.

I think you might have read the post and jumped the gun.

Not really.

For an offensive type of defenseman that's playing 24+ minutes a game

Yeah...about that.

 

[liquiduck]

You know people haven't paid attention to fowler since his draft year when he's still being called an offensive defensemen. Anaheim hasn't used him in that role in years.