Post-Game Talk: Endgame

[McDNicks17]

It's time for McDrai to go! I've seen signs. Not sure of what, but there's signs!

Get rid of them!

 

[Oilhawks]

You know...
I can't think of any different in or out of your group. I totally concur!

I was thinking Nygard is on the edge of that group. He seems to be adjusting okay (though I think Haas is better) and was one of the few that showed up last night.

 

[Stoneman89]

Love it HFOil! Let run these guys out of town.

So, requesting and hoping that they try to play some defence, is "running them out of town?" Wow...

 

[RegDunlop]

I was thinking Nygard is on the edge of that group. He seems to be adjusting okay (though I think Haas is better) and was one of the few that showed up last night.

Ha!
Could see keeping him as well!

 

[McDNicks17]

I was thinking Nygard is on the edge of that group. He seems to be adjusting okay (though I think Haas is better) and was one of the few that showed up last night.

I'm hoping that Granlund getting waived is a sign of Nygard getting more consistent minutes.

 

[bucktown]

Tips says he noticed the lack of urgency in the morning skate and then addressed it with the leaders. We all know what happened at start of game and each period there after. Have the players stopped listening to Tippett? The urgency and not ready to start a game has been going on for many years now. There are many things wrong with this team but that comment from the post game is disturbing. Players should be ready to go, I don't think it's the coachs job to do that. Having said that, if the coach saw something earlier in the day, he needs to ensure they are ready and motivated to go.

The problem that everyone forgets, is that the leadership group hears the message, looks down the bench to deliver that message, and sees nothing but plugs and AHL players. They aren't going to berate a bunch of guys to be better when they know they are at their limits of talent. You can't yell someone into being a better skater. You can't motivate someone to have better hands. You can't convince a player to have a better shot. These are not NHL caliber players, full stop.

So then the leadership group tries to do everything, plays too many minutes, and burns out, which is exactly what we're seeing here. Coming back after a Christmas break reminds them that they are fighting a losing battle, but they have 40 games left to play anyway.

It's not the coaches, the travel schedule, the days off, the trainers, injuries, etc. It's the fact that other than about 6 guys, the roster is a "debacle of monumental proportions".

We can't get free agents to sign here. We have to draft and develop. We have been deplorable in that regard, there is new management in place to fix it, that has a history of drafting and developing and preaching patience. This will take seasons to correct. Sorry folks.

 

[stratedge]

Hard to tell if they are worse offensively or defensively.

That's because it depends who's on the ice, this team has no complete players. We have a set of PP specialists who won't put in an effort defensively to save their season, and then when they're on the bench we've got a gaggle of defensive specialists who score semiannually.

Neither can keep their heads above water. More talent alone isn't going to help, Mcdavid and Drai need to be more Crosby-like. You have to hate being scored on as much as you like scoring. Feels like they're miles away still.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

They're only scoring on the power play, so they might as well try to play some defence 5 on 5.

That’s more than the rest of the roster.

 

[Soundwave]

That's because it depends who's on the ice, this team has no complete players. We have a set of PP specialists who won't put in an effort defensively to save their season, and then when they're on the bench we've got a gaggle of defensive specialists who score semiannually.

Neither can keep their heads above water. More talent alone isn't going to help, Mcdavid and Drai need to be more Crosby-like. You have to hate being scored on as much as you like scoring. Feels like they're miles away still.

Having an actual 2nd scoring line will help. It's not like the Leafs play great defensive hockey at all, but they are probably going to the playoffs again.

 

[Stoneman89]

That’s more than the rest of the roster.

The rest of the roster doesn't play on the PP.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The rest of the roster doesn't play on the PP.

Nor should they. They should contribute at ES.

 

[Stoneman89]

Nor should they. They should contribute at ES.

So because you can produce on the PP means you don't have to do anything on the 5 on 5? Especially when you get the most ice time, and make 10 times more than anyone else? Actually, come to think of it, if McDrai really did nothing on the 5 on 5 and just played evens, we'd probably be much farther ahead.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

So because you can produce on the PP means you don't have to do anything on the 5 on 5? Especially when you get the most ice time, and make 10 times more than anyone else? Actually, come to think of it, if McDrai really did nothing on the 5 on 5 and just played evens, we'd probably be much farther ahead.

That isn’t what I said. I’m saying others have to step up and they haven’t.

 

[frag2]

Love it HFOil! Let run these guys out of town.

Pretty sure those 2 are the same posters

 

[ElysiumAB]

What prospects would that be ? Have you taken a look at Bakersfield lately?there’s a reason no one is getting a call up.

So, if there aren't any great prospects and no salary cap available... what are all of these people expecting Holland to do? Trade crap for more crap?

He's off loaded Lucic for a player that's third on the team in goals, tried to improve goaltending, tried to add skill with Jurco, and tried to add stability/defense/faceoffs to the bottom six with Sheahan.

Not all of those things have worked out, but I don't know what else you could expect of him so far.

(This is also coming from a Wings fan, who wanted him out of Detroit badly)

Just kinda weird to see all the GM blame from, I'm guessing, from the same people that would've said before the season that if Holland could offload Lucic and not make any bad signings that they would be thrilled.

 

[yegoldboysclub]

Wonder how come Boston never tweaks their top line??? I mean does it make sense to have Pastanak and Marchand on the same line??

We seem to be ahead of the curve on this one.

 

[Beaumaris]

Prospects that aren't ready for the NHL can still be traded ya know.

Point is, anyone expecting Holland to mortgage the future to put a band aid on a broken team just doesn't know his track record, that's not what he does.

Name the can’t miss prospects please.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Oilers left searching for answers after dispiriting loss to Flames - Sportsnet.ca

I like what Spector wrote here. Nothing but truth.

 

[bellagiobob]

Oilers left searching for answers after dispiriting loss to Flames - Sportsnet.ca

I like what Spector wrote here. Nothing but truth.

Yup. Fair to question the leadership group of this team after another poor effort. Weren't prepared to play the game at all.

 

[ElysiumAB]

Name the can’t miss prospects please.

I don't think you're following the conversation.

I said Holland can't do anything, and asked the people who are complaining what they'd like him to do?

And the response is for ME to name can't miss prospects?

Keep up or shove off.

 

[bellagiobob]

Don't know what the issue is with Drai, but time to sit him for a game. Seems bizarre to say this, only a month after he was the best player in the league, but at this point he is a detriment to have on the ice. Have him watch a game from the peanut gallery for a different perspective. Gotta try something different, cause the same old hasn't worked for a month. Time for some tough love.

 

[Soundwave]

Is there a reason why Caleb Jones keep getting chances in the lineup?

-5 in 14 games in Bakersfield
-6 in 18 NHL games

Meanwhile Joel Persson

Only a -1 in 13 NHL games
Even in 11 AHL games.

 

[Oilhawks]

Is there a reason why Caleb Jones keep getting chances in the lineup?

-5 in 14 games in Bakersfield
-6 in 18 NHL games

Meanwhile Joel Persson

Only a -1 in 13 NHL games
Even in 11 AHL games.

Bizarre to me as well. Persson is the better option IMO. Maybe slightly worse defensively (physically getting pushed off pucks more I guess? Because the stats don’t seem to back it up). Puck was moving in the right direction with him on the ice and Klefbom looked better with him than with Larsson.

It’s actually a miracle that he’s even in Bakersfield considering it is even more of a tire fire.

 

[McVirginOil]

The problem isn’t Drai or McDavid. The problem is that we played them for too long in too short of a span because the rest of our team sucks and now we’re seeing the detrimental effects.

 

[bellagiobob]