End of Season Pressers (Monday May 15)

[rumman]

I can't see Tulsky being available to be honest. He'll resign with the Canes or take on a bigger role with them. At least we wont' know for another 4 weeks depending on how Carolina does

Kyle may move into where Brendan is and Brendan will move to "Senior Advisor" role

How satisfying it must be to fail your way to the top……….

 

[francis246]

How satisfying it must be to fail your way to the top……….

I wouldn’t say fail, but I think Kyle is better suited as President. Where he can focus on things he’s actually really exceptional at.

 

[Trapper]

I would hope the new GM would put his stamp on the team immediately, this team is made in the image of what Dubas considers a cup contender, if changes aren’t made the team is no closer to actually being a contender imo…….

I hope you’re right.
I find it ironic that one of my biggest criticisms of Dubas was his refusal to look at the core/sum of the parts/salary structure as one of the primary problems and make changes.
Now that he is open to it, do we just get Shanny, interim Pridham/Spezza and the same old song and dance run it back. I hope not.

 

[rumman]

I wouldn’t say fail, but I think Kyle is better suited as President. Where he can focus on things he’s actually really exceptional at.

I hear you, if it gets him away from making hockey decisions it will help the team………

 

[Rob Brown]

Well whatever backwards extremist left propaganda outlet told you "Florida has guns and guns = bad so it's dangerous to live there" is way off base.

That was a general statement about the US, not Florida specific. Regardless, if you don't think Florida is trending in a bad direction then there's not much for me to say. Off topic, either way.

 

[Stephen]

@Stephen also this market is taxing. Dubas is not the first person to flat out admit the effect this market has had on their family. Many players have spoken about it, former execs have spoken about it. It’s not some secret lol. Everyone knows playing/working in this market is great when you’re on top and a downright shitty place to be when things aren’t going well.

You don’t get it.

As a leader of an organization you don’t want to be showing personal vulnerability because you’re out in the world representing a business entity that isn’t yourself. It doesn’t serve the organization’s interests and it doesn’t serve your ability to do the job in a clean, professional manner.

The pressure of the job is also your own business. It’s your vocation and the risk benefit analysis is up to you whether you can accept that. Stay or leave. Up to you.

But look at the downside of admitting to Toronto pressure. Can he now go out on July 1 and pitch Joe Free Agent what a wonderful place Toronto is without that player asking him what kind of hellscape it is? You have damaged your own ability to advocate for this franchise.

Finally, any kind of sympathy he can generate for himself in “telling the truth.”It’s not useful to him, or his family. The job demands won’t change.

 

[francis246]

I hear you, if it gets him away from making hockey decisions it will help the team………

He would still have final say but I think there may be others who can execute the vision a little bit better and make harder decisions. Kyle can help build the organization, hire, create the organizational culture. Regardless I think Kyle’s next job is probably a president somewhere. If not with Toronto

 

[Trapper]

I wouldn’t say fail, but I think Kyle is better suited as President. Where he can focus on things he’s actually really exceptional at.

In light of all the horror stories we hear concerning abuse, sexual assaults and other cover ups, Dubas has made this a safe place to play and should be praised on that aspect.
However, he just hasn’t made it a playoff success place and therefore changes at that level need to happen.

 

[francis246]

You don’t get it.

As a leader of an organization you don’t want to be showing personal vulnerability because you’re out in the world representing a business entity that isn’t yourself. It doesn’t serve the organization’s interests and it doesn’t serve your ability to do the job in a clean, professional manner.

The pressure of the job is also your own business. It’s your vocation and the risk benefit analysis is up to you whether you can accept that. Stay or leave. Up to you.

But look at the downside of admitting to Toronto pressure. Can he now go out on July 1 and pitch Joe Free Agent what a wonderful place Toronto is without that player asking him what kind of hellscape it is? You have damaged your own ability to advocate for this franchise.

Finally, any kind of sympathy he can generate for himself in “telling the truth.”It’s not useful to him, or his family. The job demands won’t change.

I do get it, I don’t think players or anyone cares that much about Dubas’ statement because they all have gone through it or know it to be true already from the hundreds that have mentioned it in podcasts or what be it. It’s only a big deal here on HF Boards.

Kyle has been who he is, the entire time he’s been in Toronto. Free agents aren’t going to change their mind because of his vulnerability, I’m pretty sure people are already aware Kyle is an open person. It’s probably what makes him endearing to players as we’ve already heard from many of them!!!

 

[justashadowof]

Pure 1st world problems: my high stress/high reward position that thousands of other people would love to try is stressful on my family. Boo hoo. There are people who had to ride on crowded public transit in a pandemic to go clean toilets for the support and betterment of their family.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

As much as Pridham may be a rising star in the GM ranks, I think if we are moving on from Dubas -- whether by the team's choice or his -- I'd rather the team goes in a completely different direction with a fresh set of eyes than simply promoting someone within from his tenure.

 

[81Leafs50]

Imagine people with even more stresses and job demands getting paid a fraction of that.

you have no idea what the stress is like. You also dont know the stress of all the jobs around Toronto. You are making a bold statement and there is a lot of ignorance behind it.

 

[capfit9]

I wouldn’t say fail, but I think Kyle is better suited as President. Where he can focus on things he’s actually really exceptional at.

what would be those "things" ?

 

[Stephen]

I do get it, I don’t think players or anyone cares that much about Dubas’ statement because they all have gone through it or know it to be true already from the hundreds that have mentioned it a bit. It’s only a big deal here on HF Boards.

Walk away from Toronto then. No one is asking him to go through whatever personal turmoil to do the GM job. As fans we should be focused on the upcoming roster changes, not GM drama.

 

[Menzinger]

I think Pridham has a bigger role than that. He's the only actual AGM in the front office, the other ones have the title but with much more specific duties separate from the day-to-day and decision making. Spezza would be the only other guy that Dubas could be bouncing ideas off. Pridham has apparently lead all contract negotiations recently as well.

Mirtle has said that MLSE/Dubas'/Shanny all view Pridham as a prized asset. His pay is higher than most AGMs - they also refuse to let the media talk to him apparently lol

 

[IPS]

Pure 1st world problems: my high stress/high reward position that thousands of other people would love to try is stressful on my family. Boo hoo. There are people who had to ride on crowded public transit in a pandemic to go clean toilets for the support and betterment of their family.

My thoughts exactly. If Dubas can't handle the stress of an amazing career like being an NHL GM then it's not for him. Tons of blue collar folks in Canada are living paycheck to paycheck barely making ends meet to feed their families but poor Dubas can't handle the stress of his 7 figure office job? There's just so many p***yes in this organization who just have to go. Dubas' personality is literally a perfect representation of the team in its current state.

 

[Trapper]

As much as Pridham may be a rising star in the GM ranks, I think if we are moving on from Dubas -- whether by the team's choice or his -- I'd rather the team goes in a completely different direction with a fresh set of eyes than simply promoting someone within from his tenure.

I agree with you long term, but we might need it short term due to the fact that it’s probably not fair to expect a new guy to draft and deal with NMC, UFA and 10 UFA in 6 weeks.

 

[francis246]

Walk away from Toronto then. No one is asking him to go through whatever personal turmoil to do the GM job. As fans we should be focused on the upcoming roster changes, not GM drama.

Again Kyle hasn’t said this decision is up to him. He’s a family man and it’s really up to his family if they want to continue endure it. Don’t see anything wrong with that. He’s up for it and can handle it. but his family didn’t sign up to be harassed or whatever the case may be.

If he decides to value his family, I can respect that and the organization will be fine. There’s lots of good candidates. If he decides to stay, the organization will be fine.

 

[GoonieFace]

you have no idea what the stress is like. You also dont know the stress of all the jobs around Toronto. You are making a bold statement and there is a lot of ignorance behind it.

Not a bold statement at all. Many people have stressful jobs and do more important things than being a GM of a hockey team, and are not compensated nearly as much which only adds to the stress. Ok Chad

 

[rumman]

As much as Pridham may be a rising star in the GM ranks, I think if we are moving on from Dubas -- whether by the team's choice or his -- I'd rather the team goes in a completely different direction with a fresh set of eyes than simply promoting someone within from his tenure.

You never know, Pridham’s eyes might have been rolling at some of the current GM’s decisions? Who’s the best talent evaluator in hockey? That’s the guy they should interview, the cap genius’ seem to be aplenty, what this team needs to someone who can build a team of hockey warriors……….

 

[Racer88]

My thoughts exactly. If Dubas can't handle the stress of an amazing career like being an NHL GM then it's not for him. Tons of blue collar folks in Canada are living paycheck to paycheck barely making ends meet to feed their families but poor Dubas can't handle the stress of his 7 figure office job? There's just so many p***yes in this organization who just have to go. Dubas' personality is literally a perfect representation of the team in its current state.

Agreed 100%. I’m sure this is something that he has worked for his entire work life and now all of a sudden he and his family can’t hack it. I wonder what his story would be if they had won against Florida, I’m betting there wouldn’t be any talk from him about walking away.
simple grand standing at his finest

 

[Trapper]

You never know, Pridham’s eyes might have been rolling at some of the current GM’s decisions? Who’s the best talent evaluator in hockey? That’s the guy they should interview, the cap genius’ seem to be aplenty, what this team needs to someone who can build a team of hockey warriors……….

That’s what we need someone to get. Build your core so it can play and handle multiple styles, and build it so it is balanced between forward and D.

Once your core can handle the above, then you can fill it in.
That’s why teams like Pittsburgh/Chicago could change depth every year and succeed and teams like SJ couldn’t.

 

[81Leafs50]

Shallow my ass. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. I guess they did not teach that in Brock. Probably less pressure if he was qualified for the job.

lol one ignorant statement after another. He is not qualified? the cap juggling this guy is doing is beyond any GM in the NHL. change half the roster with no cap space mid-season? yup. All GMs do that cause its just so easy. Not to mention draft well. Burke and Hunter draft 6'5" goons with no chance of making it to the NHL. Menawhile Dubas has Knies, Woll, Robertson, Niemela, Dennis Hildeby, Roni Hirvonen, Dmitry Ovchinnikov, Ryan Tverberg, Ty Voit, Minten etc etc.

Stress is real. Most of us have to endure it because we need the paycheck making peanuts. Dubas cannot cheat like a CEO and brush of accountability to others and fire them and remain faceless and nameless. He is on an island alone with one of if not the biggest hockey fanbase crying "FIRE HIM" at every turn. So please take what you think you know about a stressful job and write it down and throw away the paper. You are beyond clueless. Clearly never having to RUN a full organization.

Not a bold statement at all. Many people have stressful jobs and do more important things than being a GM of a hockey team, and are not compensated nearly as much which only adds to the stress. Ok Chad

lol the money. compensation. that makes it all ok. IGNORANCE IS BLISS

 

[rumman]

lol one ignorant statement after another. He is not qualified? the cap juggling this guy is doing is beyond any GM in the NHL. change half the roster with no cap space mid-season? yup. All GMs do that cause its just so easy. Not to mention draft well. Burke and Hunter draft 6'5" goons with no chance of making it to the NHL. Menawhile Dubas has Knies, Woll, Robertson, Niemela, Dennis Hildeby, Roni Hirvonen, Dmitry Ovchinnikov, Ryan Tverberg, Ty Voit, Minten etc etc.

Stress is real. Most of us have to endure it because we need the paycheck making peanuts. Dubas cannot cheat like a CEO and brush of accountability to others and fire them and remain faceless and nameless. He is on an island alone with one of if not the biggest hockey fanbase crying "FIRE HIM" at every turn. So please take what you think you know about a stressful job and write it down and throw away the paper. You are beyond clueless. Clearly never having to RUN a full organization.


lol the money. compensation. that makes it all ok. IGNORANCE IS BLISS

He’s a master at juggling because he cause all the cap problems that need to be juggled, I’d expect no less from the ringmaster of this clown show…….

 

[Stephen]

Mirtle has said that MLSE/Dubas'/Shanny all view Pridham as a prized asset. His pay is higher than most AGMs - they also refuse to let the media talk to him apparently lol

If anything Pridham has the excel spreadsheet keeping track of all the contract details and projections. So you want that stability to crunch numbers and re-sign guys vs having a Cliff Fletcher come in and Jeff Finger a free agent.