End of Season Pressers (Monday May 15)

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Yesterday's presser seemed so different than other Leafs ones we've seen in the past. Looked disorganized and not really planned at all along with a late start. It seemed to be hastily put together, almost as if they handed me the duties to organize it.

Then we saw Dubas come out and he spoke in a way like we've never seen him before. There is so much going on behind the scenes for sure with Shanahan not even present.

Was it only me or did the whole thing have a surreal feel to it?
It did. We’ve hoped for a shift…Dubas expresses more care for the club than M&M combined.

And maybe the spirit of lament expressed is sourced in a cold realization that he might have to move players he cares deeply for.

Maybe that’s the obstacle that’s weighing him down rather than the seasons grind.

His dread isn’t behind him so much as it’s front of him. And perhaps that pause at returning is an impulse to run from having to do something he might not be capable of doing.

But I think more accurately, he’s steeling himself to do the hard things. It’s just too fresh in anticipation. Another week or two and he just might have regained his perspective.

We’ll see. Very interesting days ahead.
 
Johnston said on his podcast (released late Monday) that change (or confirmation Dubas will stay) could happen Tuesday or Wednesday at the GM level. Obviously Tuesday didn't happen. So we'll see today.

I hope the family situation isn't a health related issue.
Yeah, that was my first thought of as well. I found him mentioning his whole family to be a little bit odd. Everyone knows the rigours of being a GM of a professional league team, and the guy has been a GM since he's been 25.

It's not often someone willingly just steps back from the game to spend time with his family, especially at this age.

It's quite possible that he takes a year off to be with his family, then jumps back in next year to take on a new challenge which he can choose at his disposal. At that point, if that being the case, then maybe it's best that both parties go their own way if his heart and mind isn't going to be fully into it. Plus, this isn't the market to do as such, especially with the way the season just ended and the amount of pressure there will be to achieve the expectations set upon this team and its current core.
 
We'll know when things are decided when Shanahan announces his press conference.

I would think later today or tomorrow and I believe Dubas will be extended.
Probably tomorrow.. I have a hunch.

If he extends, he and Shanny will want to ensure they’re prepared for the questions about next steps with the team

If he doesn’t, Shanny will have to get his plan B lined up and finalized

So I assume Dubas has a decision today but we don’t hear anything until tomorrow. Thursday before a long weekend makes sense

I have a gut feeling he's stepping down personally. Just feels like it's heading that way. Just the hints and the issues at hand, I don't know. We'll see.
 
I have a gut feeling he's stepping down personally. Just feels like it's heading that way. Just the hints and the issues at hand, I don't know. We'll see.
Yeah possibly.
I think that's hard for any of us to fathom that someone could walk away from their dream job.

Dubas may be a modern day Princess Diana.
 
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Yeah, I do sympathize with the idea that work pressures can impact his family as a person, but I don’t know if revealing that and being human will serve him well in his capacity as a corporate master in an adversarial and pressure job. It’s another vulnerability that’s now in public consumption. Put the cone of silence around your family and protect your privacy man! That’s why I think he can’t really continue and be Shapiro Atkins again tomorrow.
Exactly.
 
It did. We’ve hoped for a shift…Dubas expresses more care for the club than M&M combined.

And maybe the spirit of lament expressed is sourced in a cold realization that he might have to move players he cares deeply for.

Maybe that’s the obstacle that’s weighing him down rather than the seasons grind.

His dread isn’t behind him so much as it’s front of him. And perhaps that pause at returning is an impulse to run from having to do something he might not be capable of doing.

But I think more accurately, he’s steeling himself to do the hard things. It’s just too fresh in anticipation. Another week or two and he just might have regained his perspective.

We’ll see. Very interesting days ahead.
GM’s can’t function effectively if they put the players they “feel deeply“ for ahead of what’s best for the team, if that’s his priority he should become a player agent, something he might be better suited for in the long run……….
 
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Dubas is propped up like a GOD by most of the media in this town , I don’t get how it was hard on his family.
I think I could stomach either Pridham or Treliving in that role.

Dubas being reluctant makes an extension all the more concerning for me.
What has Treliving done for anyone to be excited? No thanks. One hire i would applaud is Jeff Gorton if they could pry him from the Habs. Rebuilt the Rangers.

What a time to be a Leaf fan. Cant think of any amazing candidates for GM or coach. Zero chance they hire someone without a boatload of experience again.

Quennville would be my top choice. But unlikey MLSE would support it given the Beach cover up
 
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Just compare Pietro's chop on Drai from the constant harassment he was enduring from the Oilers tells you everything you need to know about the Leafs.

Marner's smile is literally like Matthews' goofy smile when he was being yanked and handled by Chiarot against Montreal.

Pietrangelo is an interesting example. I remember vividly happy-go-lucky teenager Pietrangelo getting concussed from an ugly hit by a Leafs' cement head (Ryan Hollweg) in Alex's first season in the NHL. Pietrangelo has always been a "clean" sort of big defender not a lot of hits but also not soft on defending, he doesn't go around avoiding contact. He hardened up over his early years as we can see now will push back.
 
And now somehow has leverage on the Leafs
His leverage is that he timed all the no move clauses to line up with his contract expiration.

Now I'm assuming this wasn't intentional because he would have been resigned by now but his leverage is basically his f*** up
 
Post-Mortem Monday: Last but not least, Kyle Dubas

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Feels team had great opportunity to continue playing into the spring, and is disappointed they couldn't push through.

* On his own situation - will speak to Shanahan & owners over next few days, but speak with his family also and see how to proceed. Says this has been a very taxing year for his family and that's important to him.

*Says that he, and he alone, is responsible for the team. Says that Shanahan doesn't need to be up here shielding him, as this is on him.

* Says players and staff collectively need to continue to raise their level, and that's the focus heading into the office.

*Admits that while the goal is the same, to win, thinks that the pathway may need to be adjusted headed into the spring, draft, and free agency.

* Praises Keefe - felt that Sheldon and his staff made good adjustments to change things in the series. Highlights the role in closing the Bennett line down. Says a full evaluation will be needed in the offseason in order to establish how to move forward.

* On still having a desire to manage the Leafs - says that he needs to have a full and proper discussion with his family. Says it's been very difficult for them. Says that he can't answer that question until they have a clear idea. Doesn't want to go anywhere else though. Says it will either be here, or taking some time to reflect with his family

* On the emotional moments during the playoffs - says that the Tampa incident was in support of Rielly and Leafs fans in Tampa. Said that he probably shouldn't have used that sort of language, but felt he wanted to stick up for them. Defends his emotional nature, including the water bottle toss. Jokes that he could see in Tampa, everyone pulling out their phone, and the incident evolving. Saying this is him, and can't commit to not doing things differently. "This is me".

* On the 6 new bodies added at the deadline, and what else he can do to win - was worried that he brought in too many new faces at the deadline, but praises the leadership core & the new adds to integrating so quickly. Says that they have some younger players pressing for bigger roles (Robertson, Knies, McCann, Niemela, Villeneuve, Minten), and having those guys continuing to develop and jump in and find value bets in free agency.

* On his disappointment in his players - didn't like the narrative around the team about just winning a single round. Said the goal was always to win 4, and is disappointed that they weren't scoring. Highlights 2 goals a game, 7 games a row, wasn't good enough. Wants to build more offensive principles that can allow team to create more in those games. Says the Western conference seems to be scoring more, and the East has tended to be tighter. Says they need to find better ways to break through in those tighter moments, and is disappointed.

* Confirms that he will either work for the Leafs, or no one, next season.

* On the core - from now until next October, after a thorough evaluation, will make decisions then. Points to Florida moving core guys in a big move. Says it wasn't a hasty move that they made, but a late July move. Says he would consider anything and everything that would help them get better, but not until a thorough evaluation had been conducted.


So, the briefest of summaries:

1 - Doesn't commit to bringing Keefe back
2 - Doesn't commit to bringing the core 4 back - "Take nothing off the table"
3 - Doesn't commit to coming back himself
4 - Does confirm that next season, he will either be working for the Leafs, or no one.

Post-Mortem Week - CJ

* Sees no world where this combination of GM / Coach / Core 4 come back intact. Very, very small percent, less than 5%, that they could all be back.

*Says this loss rattled them - internally they finally felt they accomplished something with being Tampa, only to blow it against Florida with poor early showing. Raised all the same questions about whether they'd actually improved or got lucky versus Tampa.

*Thinks we will see 2 changes; some combination of new GM or coach + one of the core 4 will be moved. Thinks it's time to move on and try something different. Says Leafs are past their point of being able to trust this group. If they get into big playoff games again, wonders if the core 4 start looking at each other and wonder whether they'll fail again. Says 34/16/88 are now 1-8 in playoff series, creating seeds of doubt.

*Disappointed that players didn't take any accountability during locker clear-out. Highlights that players talked more about bounces & goaltending, rather than acknowledging that they need to be better. Says the players are comfortable, and believes that the system needs a shock. Doesn't think the shock is a coach leaving, but a teammate that's been here a long time being moved, and bringing in another big personality.

*If you trade a Marner, you're bringing in another superstar. Requires that other superstar to be available though - last year, Tkachuk became available, but no one considered Huberdeau and Weeger were both available until the deal was already done. Think that's the kind of thing that can happen in an offseason - players who wouldn't ordinarily be available, become available, based on who you dangle.

*Leafs players are now too comfortable, counting on solutions happening internally. Thinks they are now at the point where they realize it has to be external.

*The trade has to be about who comes back, not just dumping a quality player. Ponders the idea of Nylander being the easiest to trade due to his contract (cap hit plus term), but also suggests that with just 1 year left that might hurt what sort of value you get for him. Says the wild swings in Nylander's game, good Willie vs bad Willie, could put teams off - doesn't think there's high value in a Nylander trade.

* That leaves Matthews or Marner. Does not believe the team has ever gauged the market for a Matthews or Marner trade, saying the team has never entertained the idea of that before. Says that door is now open. The Leafs are now going to be able to gather good information about what their players are worth. Team has to have open mind, not circling just one guy who they want to trade, but what the trade return is.

* Says the Leafs will have good idea of what Matthews wants on an extension, but doesn't think Matthews will sign a max 8-year deal. Says it will be a trend league wide, now that the flat cap is finally due to increase. If you're Matthews, it doesn't make sense to enter an 8-year deal where most of those 8 years will see a cap increase. Says Leafs have almost no leverage here. Even if they trade him somewhere before his NTC kicks in, he could just play out the year and then go to free agency.

*Expects Matthews to be highest AAV in the league on a shorter term deal. Ponders whether Leafs look at that situation and decide they want more security, and move him. Does think that as a premium goal scoring elite center, team probably leans towards keeping him and continue building around him, which might leave Marner as the odd man out. However, says everything is on the table.

* Thinks if the team moves Marner, it will be before July 1st - two years left on his deal plus the NTC not kicking in, provides the acquiring team with more certainty.

*Believes Matthews 100% wants to stay a Leaf. Doesn't think Matthews wants to drag this out beyond July 1st.

*Says that the Leafs have so much up in the air: potentially trading a superstar player, hiring a new GM, and hiring a new coach, all within 6 weeks in the middle of the busiest time of the year. If Dubas doesn't return and an external candidate comes in as GM, expects a new coach.

* Expects 1 significant bomb, and possibility even two, this off-season for the Leafs.

* Doesn't think ROR or Bunting will be back. Thinks Bunting is disappointed that the Leafs didn't engage more significantly with his agent throughout the season. Says things could change. Points out that both Acciari and Schenn wants to stay. Says Schenn had a huge impact in the playoffs, and brought the best out of Rielly.

* Doesn't expect Simmonds, Kerfoot, or Holl back. Thinks the Connor Timmins extension brings in a right hand shot that pushes Holl out the door.

*Expects the Leafs GM situation to gain clarity by Wednesday - doesn't think organization, or Dubas, will drag it out.
 
Dubas is propped up like a GOD by most of the media in this town , I don’t get how it was hard on his family.

You have no idea what's happening with his family. None of us do.

Maybe it's health related?

Even if it's not physical health related, it is still a pressure filled and stressful job, and those mental health factors matter. I had a job which was tailor made for me, with great staff who I supervised and excellent managerial support. Yet I still burned out due to stress from it, which spiraled into my personal life and effected my family relationships.
 
Post-Mortem Week - CJ

* Sees no world where this combination of GM / Coach / Core 4 come back intact. Very, very small percent, less than 5%, that they could all be back.

*Says this loss rattled them - internally they finally felt they accomplished something with being Tampa, only to blow it against Florida with poor early showing. Raised all the same questions about whether they'd actually improved or got lucky versus Tampa.

*Thinks we will see 2 changes; some combination of new GM or coach + one of the core 4 will be moved. Thinks it's time to move on and try something different. Says Leafs are past their point of being able to trust this group. If they get into big playoff games again, wonders if the core 4 start looking at each other and wonder whether they'll fail again. Says 34/16/88 are now 1-8 in playoff series, creating seeds of doubt.

*Disappointed that players didn't take any accountability during locker clear-out. Highlights that players talked more about bounces & goaltending, rather than acknowledging that they need to be better. Says the players are comfortable, and believes that the system needs a shock. Doesn't think the shock is a coach leaving, but a teammate that's been here a long time being moved, and bringing in another big personality.

*If you trade a Marner, you're bringing in another superstar. Requires that other superstar to be available though - last year, Tkachuk became available, but no one considered Huberdeau and Weeger were both available until the deal was already done. Think that's the kind of thing that can happen in an offseason - players who wouldn't ordinarily be available, become available, based on who you dangle.

*Leafs players are now too comfortable, counting on solutions happening internally. Thinks they are now at the point where they realize it has to be external.

*The trade has to be about who comes back, not just dumping a quality player. Ponders the idea of Nylander being the easiest to trade due to his contract (cap hit plus term), but also suggests that with just 1 year left that might hurt what sort of value you get for him. Says the wild swings in Nylander's game, good Willie vs bad Willie, could put teams off - doesn't think there's high value in a Nylander trade.

* That leaves Matthews or Marner. Does not believe the team has ever gauged the market for a Matthews or Marner trade, saying the team has never entertained the idea of that before. Says that door is now open. The Leafs are now going to be able to gather good information about what their players are worth. Team has to have open mind, not circling just one guy who they want to trade, but what the trade return is.

* Says the Leafs will have good idea of what Matthews wants on an extension, but doesn't think Matthews will sign a max 8-year deal. Says it will be a trend league wide, now that the flat cap is finally due to increase. If you're Matthews, it doesn't make sense to enter an 8-year deal where most of those 8 years will see a cap increase. Says Leafs have almost no leverage here. Even if they trade him somewhere before his NTC kicks in, he could just play out the year and then go to free agency.

*Expects Matthews to be highest AAV in the league on a shorter term deal. Ponders whether Leafs look at that situation and decide they want more security, and move him. Does think that as a premium goal scoring elite center, team probably leans towards keeping him and continue building around him, which might leave Marner as the odd man out. However, says everything is on the table.

* Thinks if the team moves Marner, it will be before July 1st - two years left on his deal plus the NTC not kicking in, provides the acquiring team with more certainty.

*Believes Matthews 100% wants to stay a Leaf. Doesn't think Matthews wants to drag this out beyond July 1st.

*Says that the Leafs have so much up in the air: potentially trading a superstar player, hiring a new GM, and hiring a new coach, all within 6 weeks in the middle of the busiest time of the year. If Dubas doesn't return and an external candidate comes in as GM, expects a new coach.

* Expects 1 significant bomb, and possibility even two, this off-season for the Leafs.

* Doesn't think ROR or Bunting will be back. Thinks Bunting is disappointed that the Leafs didn't engage more significantly with his agent throughout the season. Says things could change. Points out that both Acciari and Schenn wants to stay. Says Schenn had a huge impact in the playoffs, and brought the best out of Rielly.

* Doesn't expect Simmonds, Kerfoot, or Holl back. Thinks the Connor Timmins extension brings in a right hand shot that pushes Holl out the door.

*Expects the Leafs GM situation to gain clarity by Wednesday - doesn't think organization, or Dubas, will drag it out.

Happy to have both Acciari and Schenn back.

What CJ says makes a lot of sense and is welcoming to the ears, especially with the bigger chages
 
Post-Mortem Week - CJ

*Disappointed that players didn't take any accountability during locker clear-out. Highlights that players talked more about bounces & goaltending, rather than acknowledging that they need to be better. Says the players are comfortable, and believes that the system needs a shock. Doesn't think the shock is a coach leaving, but a teammate that's been here a long time being moved, and bringing in another big personality.

Are facts now offensive? They outplayed Florida for the majority of the series.

A couple of those posts going in would have been huge.

I am pretty sure at least Matthews said they have to bury their chances and they got looks.

Bobrovsky was Florida's first star, are the players supposed to pretend like he was terrible?

Our fanbase and media are hilarious sometimes, they want the players to lie to make them feel better.
 
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What has Treliving done for anyone to be excited? No thanks. One hire i would applaud is Jeff Gorton if they could pry him from the Habs. Rebuilt the Rangers.

What a time to be a Leaf fan. Cant think of any amazing candidates for GM or coach. Zero chance they hire someone without a boatload of experience again. Ugh.

Gorton had plenty of warts as a GM, similar to the Dubas warts really. He was just hired by the Habs anyway, that ain't happening.

Treliving did some really good things in Calgary before Gaudreau and eventually Tkachuk forced his hand. It wasn't perfect though like any GM. He didn't completely destroy the team with bad contracts or trades like a lot of other veteran GMs.
 
Gorton had plenty of warts as a GM, similar to the Dubas warts really. He was just hired by the Habs anyway, that ain't happening.

Treliving did some really good things in Calgary before Gaudreau and eventually Tkachuk forced his hand. It wasn't perfect though like any GM. He didn't completely destroy the team with bad contracts or trades like a lot of other veteran GMs.
I respect the Carolina organization and what they’ve been able to do there in terms of drafting, building and team concept.
Carolina looks like what I thought we’d be. Skill, but aggressive and able to forecheck. Defensive and sound structure.
I hope we are looking at the Hurricane’s AGM if we are going in a different direction.
 
I respect the Carolina organization and what they’ve been able to do there in terms of drafting, building and team concept.
Carolina looks like what I thought we’d be. Skill, but aggressive and able to forecheck. Defensive and sound structure.
I hope we are looking at the Hurricane’s AGM if we are going in a different direction.

The stats nerd without any NHL or managerial experience? Sacrilege.
 
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Really happy that Matthews wants to say, but very disappointed at the news of shorter term. Can someone explain how a 4-5 year deal is a trend? MacKinnon, Pasta, Makar, Pananrin, are all signing long term.

How is it that we are the only team with no leverage and need to get hammered over and over on the AVV?
 
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Ya I want no part of Treliving.

He's probably the best available GM with experience. His body of work is pretty solid. I really liked the players he added over the years and his drafting seems more than fine. His worst trades and moves were not even that bad compared to a bunch of other GMs that were fired over the years.
 
Really happy that Matthews wants to say, but very disappointed at the news of shorter term. Can someone explain how a 4-5 year deal is a trend? MacKinnon, Pasta, Makar, Pananrin, are all signing long term.

How is it that we are the only team with no leverage and need to get hammered over and over on the AVV?

Trend setter stuff. Trying to be like LeBron signing short-term deals or whatever. His agent is trying to get him paid more frequently with inflation instead of signing long-term.
 
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