End of Season Pressers (Monday May 15)

[ITM]

GM’s can’t function effectively if they put the players they “feel deeply“ for ahead of what’s best for the team, if that’s his priority he should become a player agent, something he might be better suited for in the long run……….

That's my point. I suspect he's deliberating with a clear focus of the task(s) ahead and what he must do one way or the other. Either way, he's all but indicated, if he comes back, its the crest first.

I respect his honesty. Often we have players being honest about one thing or another and unfortunately that conveys a kind of narcissism.

The conflict in Dubas says he's actually the opposite. Mistakes made honestly and learned from is something he's demonstrated. I suspect, he's about to confront that all the more. I have no problem with a man being honest about a situation in which the situation is being placed ahead of the man.

 

[SprDaVE]

Any chance on Wickenheiser being GM?

She seems more involved with the off-season player development. Not sure she's been part of any of the player movement or scouting through the regular season. Pretty sure she's really busy with her MD thing.

She probably could take over and do well since she's really smart and has been involved with hockey for a long time, but the experience doesn't seem to lineup as far as I know. I could be wrong though.

 

[notbias]

We got outplayed by Tampa in every game but one yet got results.

Sometimes getting outplayed doesn't really matter

I agree (maybe not all but one game, but we got outplayed).

Players stating this seems to be a big no-no though, which I don't understand. Bobrovsky was the main reason for the win by Florida, they got chances, they ran into a good goalie, stating that is not an excuse. That is all I am trying to say.

They had more chances than the Tampa series and scored much less, that to me is what they are saying. I am pretty sure a few said they need to bury those chances, that is taking responsibility.

These interviews are pointless, everyone just interprets them how they want. Dubas' interview has now led to a group here saying he is negotiating by saying he may step away when it was reported that is sounded like he got offered an extension after Tampa.

 

[Superstar]

He also mentioned Brad Treliving as a possible hire if they look externally.

Is Treliving some genius GM the Leafs need? Maybe he brings Huberdeau and Kadri over after the Flames amazing season...

 

[notbias]

Is Treliving some genius GM the Leafs need? Maybe he brings Huberdeau and Kadri over after the Flames amazing season...

Huberdeau and Weeger for Marner seems fair.

 

[ACC1224]

Is Treliving some genius GM the Leafs need? Maybe he brings Huberdeau and Kadri over after the Flames amazing season...

Made the best of a horrible situation but it obviously didn't work out.
IMO, no one wanted to play for Sutter.

 

[rumman]

Any chance on Wickenheiser being GM?

I’d hope for someone with experience, she’s been around hockey all her life, but is pretty new at the mgmt side of things. Having said that I could see MLSE loving being the first to have a female GM, diversity hires fall right in line with their progressive corporate attitude imo. If given my druthers, I‘d want a experienced GM………

 

[ITM]

I’d hope for someone with experience, she’s been around hockey all her life, but is pretty new at the mgmt side of things. Having said that I could see MLSE loving being the first to have a female GM, diversity hires fall right in line with their progressive corporate attitude imo. If given my druthers, I‘d want a experienced GM………

Same.

Oh...and a man.

 

[rumman]

Made the best of a horrible situation but it obviously didn't work out.
IMO, no one wanted to play for Sutter.

Is that a player or coach problem? I know how I feel about it……..

 

[stickty111]

Tulsky is my preference if Dubas is gone. I wouldn't be thrilled with Treliving but I could accept it.

 

[Warden of the North]

I’d hope for someone with experience, she’s been around hockey all her life, but is pretty new at the mgmt side of things. Having said that I could see MLSE loving being the first to have a female GM, diversity hires fall right in line with their progressive corporate attitude imo. If given my druthers, I‘d want a experienced GM………

We've run the gamut of experienced GMs and it hasn't gotten us anywhere.

 

[Warden of the North]

Same.

Oh...and a man.

Ahhh yes. Executives being men matters, as proven with our playoff success the past 5 decades. It literally cannot be worse.

 

[phillipmike]

We've run the gamut of experienced GMs and it hasn't gotten us anywhere.

True and we also tried rookies and it hasnt worked either; Stelleck, JFJ and Dubas. Even Floyd Smith and Dryden had some success but they were pushed out the door quickly when better options were available.

Having experience over not having experience seems like a better option.

 

[rumman]

We've run the gamut of experienced GMs and it hasn't gotten us anywhere.

The Leafs record isn’t great with inexperienced GM’s either, I’ll go with experience over not experienced……..

 

[ITM]

Ahhh yes. Executives being men matters, as proven with our playoff success the past 5 decades. It literally cannot be worse.

But to continue the line: Every Cup every won has been won by men in an all-men's league. And that matters. Every decision is informed by experience and in the NHL experienced only by an infinitesimal percentage of men.

I understand the bona fides Wickenheiser brings. But I believe Toronto as a market is so extra-hockey focused at times, that as a social experiment, the Maple Leafs are champions. And if I was a fan of D.E.I. quotas and social "feels" in my hockey club, then being a Maple Leafs fan is fantastic.

I realize other better hockey minds from our club might argue the contrary. But then again, this is our club, and I suspect the reasoning behind it would also have to fall into the category of: Say you're determined to undermine the real success of our club without saying you're determined to undermine the real success of our club.

 

[stickty111]

This tweet is a little misleading. The process hasn't stopped in the sense that the traction has stopped, and it has broken off. Based on what Elliotte said, both sides want to take a timeout. Leafs want to give Dubas some time to talk to his family, and Leafs want to make sure things are okay before proceeding.

 

[theTTC]

Kyle mentioning family concerns is legit, as it would be for anybody in a high profile public eye, so he's not lying. However, it's not the reason, it's smoke. The real reason is the tug-of-war over whether Keefe gets fired or not. Kyle wants him to stay, MLSE says out. This is what the balking by both sides is about.

Just my take. Makes the most sense.

 

[egd27]

Are facts now offensive? They outplayed Florida for the majority of the series.

A couple of those posts going in would have been huge.

I am pretty sure at least Matthews said they have to bury their chances and they got looks.

Bobrovsky was Florida's first star, are the players supposed to pretend like he was terrible?

Our fanbase and media are hilarious sometimes, they want the players to lie to make them feel better.

They lost 4 out of 5 games.
Why is it so hard for to just admit they weren't good enough without all "if only" excuses?

 

[Da Mash]

Lou has experience and basically put New Jersey in cap hell and has a old team with the Islanders and not in good cap space there with very little in the cupboards.

Once the cap started he wasn’t very good and basically having Washington Trotz leaving for nothing and falling in his lap was his only saving grace.

Only wins playing boring trap hockey and that only takes you so far

 

[Gallagbi]

They lost 4 out of 5 games.
Why is it so hard for to just admit they weren't good enough without all "if only" excuses?

I think people confuse explanations with excuses.

Toronto didnt win the series. Florida didnt carry the majority of the play. So the process in getting better comes down to transitioning that control to results. At a high level

1. We broke down defensively with unforced turnovers.
2. We didnt capitalize on the number of chances we had. Some was Bob, some was shot selection. 2 goals/game doesnt get you success in the playoffs and we should have scored more given the quality and quantity of chances.
3. Our special teams wasnt good enough.

 

[29Potvin]

Kyle mentioning family concerns is legit, as it would be for anybody in a high profile public eye, so he's not lying. However, it's not the reason, it's smoke. The real reason is the tug-of-war over whether Keefe gets fired or not. Kyle wants him to stay, MLSE says out. This is what the balking by both sides is about.

Just my take. Makes the most sense.

could also be that MLSE are only offering a short prove it 2-3yr deal and KD would like to stay but also knows how hard not having the longterm commitment was this season on his family and wants them to be on board before he signs.
Or maybe he and his family would like the a smaller market with less attention. Toronto fans and media often treat players/staff family's as if they also owe them(us) something

 

[rumman]

Kyle mentioning family concerns is legit, as it would be for anybody in a high profile public eye, so he's not lying. However, it's not the reason, it's smoke. The real reason is the tug-of-war over whether Keefe gets fired or not. Kyle wants him to stay, MLSE says out. This is what the balking by both sides is about.

Just my take. Makes the most sense.

IF Dubas is more loyal to Keefe than the club I'd hope it would be a resounding FU from the ownership group.............

 

[egd27]

I think people confuse explanations with excuses.

Toronto didnt win the series. Florida didnt carry the majority of the play. So the process in getting better comes down to transitioning that control to results. At a high level

1. We broke down defensively with unforced turnovers.
2. We didnt capitalize on the number of chances we had. Some was Bob, some was shot selection. 2 goals/game doesnt get you success in the playoffs and we should have scored more given the quality and quantity of chances.
3. Our special teams wasnt good enough.

I believe what you listed are examples of not being good enough and can be considered explanations that contributed to their series loss.

Unlucky goal posts and good goalies are excuses.

 

[theTTC]

IF Dubas is more loyal to Keefe than the club I'd hope it would be a resounding FU from the ownership group.............

Dubas has shown he's super loyal to his close circle, and is nigh unmovable from his visions. I believe he'd go to the wall for Sheldon.

Both sides playing chicken.

 

[rumman]

I believe what you listed are examples of not being good enough and can be considered explanations that contributed to their series loss.

Unlucky goal posts and good goalies are excuses.

if IF's and BUT;s were candy and nuts everyday would be Christmas.............

Dubas has shown he's super loyal to his close circle, and is nigh unmovable from his visions. I believe he'd go to the wall for Sheldon.

imo, you just identified one of his weaknesses...........