End of Season Pressers (Monday May 15)

[AllHeartNoSkill]

If they were gonna offer him a contract regardless of how disappointing the season’s end was… why bother waiting? They should have just done the humane thing and gave him the extension last summer.

 

[Buds17]

And yet here we are…

Not necessarily... (Nylander?). No doubt that winning only the one round to this point has to be seen as a case of falling below expectations. I imagine the plan was to run with Matthews and Marner until they reached UFA status though and then reassess plans prior to moving forward if the players aren't already re-signed and/or the team isn't as successful as expected.

 

[Stephen]

Yeah, I think there's going to be a parting of the ways. The unsolicited personal information, emotion feels like too much to come back from and start behaving like Shapiro and Atkins again. You can't go emo one day and show the world how hard it is on you, sympathy angle and be a sleek corporate leader again. How the GM's feelings ever got into this is as bizarre as it gets.

Also, how does a GM possibly letting the contract run out make comments about nothing off the table?

If Dubas ends up walking away he should have made a decision before speaking and resigned from his post.

 

[Kaladin]

I don’t really mind if Dubas has a personality or not just that he does a good job. But it sets up awkward next steps if you admit to the fact that the job creates pressures that impact your family life. Those pressures won’t change.

It was honestly the most tone deaf thing I've ever heard.

Cry me a river, the GM making dough in a historic NHL franchise feels like the pressures are a lot on his family? At a time when people in Toronto are struggling with real issues.

So. Tone. Deaf.

The Chris Johnstone's of the world who are indulging this crap are ridiculous too.

 

[Squiffy]

Yeah, I think there's going to be a parting of the ways. The unsolicited personal information, emotion feels like too much to come back from and start behaving like Shapiro and Atkins again. You can't go emo one day and show the world how hard it is on you, sympathy angle and be a sleek corporate leader again. How the GM's feelings ever got into this is as bizarre as it gets.

Also, how does a GM possibly letting the contract run out make comments about nothing off the table?

If Dubas ends up walking away he should have made a decision before speaking and resigned from his post.

Most people aren't paying as much attention as we are. Remember, we're the lunatic fringe.

 

[Dreakmur]

Not necessarily... (Nylander?). No doubt that winning only the one round to this point has to be seen as a case of falling below expectations. I imagine the plan was to run with Matthews and Marner until they reached UFA status though and then reassess plans prior to moving forward.

The plan was to assess the situation while the player has 100% of the leverage?

 

[capfit9]

Yeah, I think there's going to be a parting of the ways. The unsolicited personal information, emotion feels like too much to come back from and start behaving like Shapiro and Atkins again. You can't go emo one day and show the world how hard it is on you, sympathy angle and be a sleek corporate leader again. How the GM's feelings ever got into this is as bizarre as it gets.

Also, how does a GM possibly letting the contract run out make comments about nothing off the table?

If Dubas ends up walking away he should have made a decision before speaking and resigned from his post.

He’s bailing

 

[Buds17]

The plan was to assess the situation while the player has 100% of the leverage?

The Leafs keep them during their respective "walk years" because the team is ostensibly better with them on it (and hopefully they aren't actually in their walk year because they've re-signed by that point, assuming that things have gone well for the team). The salient point is that NMCs shouldn't matter for Matthews and Marner because the priority shouldn't lie in having to trade either of them.

 

[Squiffy]

Yes - who amongst us wouldn't turn down millions because of comments online from mean fans who don't realize what a amazing job you've done for them?

That's an entirely made up scenario that fits a narrative being pushed. Fact is we have no idea what he speaks of.

I mean, if he gives an interview a year from now saying that that is so, then hey, you win, but frankly I doubt that's what he was touching on.

 

[Lightsol]

The last 5 pages of this thread makes it clear to me why someone might want to reassess working for or representing this team.

Nah, they're millionaires, so they should be able to ignore everything including death threats! /s

 

[Kaladin]

Nah, they're millionaires, so they should be able to ignore everything including death threats! /s

Death threats? lol where has this new narrative spun up?

Anything for Dubas to keep his job eh.

That's an entirely made up scenario that fits a narrative being pushed. Fact is we have no idea what he speaks of.

I mean, if he gives an interview a year from now saying that that is so, then hey, you win, but frankly I doubt that's what he was touching on.

What do you think it's about? Either it's:

a. Going into last year of his contract with no extension. Which again isn't worth mentioning to elicit sympathy from a struggling fan base with real problems.

b. Being a GM in a hockey mad city is tough. Which again comes with the salary and position. We don't let players get away with this why are we letting a GM?

 

[Squiffy]

What do you think it's about? Either it's:

a. Going into last year of his contract with no extension. Which again isn't worth mentioning to elicit sympathy from a struggling fan base with real problems.

b. Being a GM in a hockey mad city is tough. Which again comes with the salary and position. We don't let players get away with this why are we letting a GM?

Well that's more reasonable stuff. Neither of those is "I don't want the job because the online people are mean".

I don't know why we're reading anything more in to it then it was hard on his family, whatever the reason, I tend to think the stress and hours and time away, who is clearly important to him, and needs to consider that. It's a reasonable position. It went a little further then usual, but you hear the line "going to take some time to think about it, talk it over with the family" all the time from players and staff after a season. Guy was just talking introspectively, he's not looking for our sympathy, guarantee it. The hell does he care.

 

[sxvnert]

Outside of simmons find me articles actually critical of Dubas over the last 5 years. To the level any other GM would have gotten after repeated failures - especially a rookie one. I'll wait.

Fact is he's been a media darling from day 1.


Yes - who amongst us wouldn't turn down millions because of comments online from mean fans who don't realize what a amazing job you've done for them?

What world are some of you living in that this sympathy play is working on you.

The fact that the media is spending one second discussing Kyles private life & the players "feelings" on playing in toronto vs the complete round two shitshow tells you all you need to know.

 

[Canadian Finn]

The last 5 pages of this thread makes it clear to me why someone might want to reassess working for or representing this team.

because of hf forums?
if someone is assessing their willingness to represent the Leafs based on hf forums....well....

 

[The Masters]

If they were gonna offer him a contract regardless of how disappointing the season’s end was… why bother waiting? They should have just done the humane thing and gave him the extension last summer.

Who said that? Johnston reported board werent committed to giving him one last summer cuz they wanted to wait and see how we would perform in these playoffs. Board now inclined to give him one but he prob wants more $$$ and power and shanny/board at a standstill cuz it doesnt deserve it

 

[Squiffy]

The fact that the media is spending one second discussing Kyles private life & the players "feelings" on playing in toronto vs the complete round two shitshow tells you all you need to know.

Season is done, we've done the disecting the shitshow part already. Frankly there is not much to be said that hasn't been said a million times, everyone knows that part and the 7 year history behind it.

It's offseason time, and the GM, Coach and expiring contracts are the current news. Nothing Kyle said is affecting that that is the discussion right now, that's happening regardless.

Who said that? Johnston reported board werent committed to giving him one last summer cuz they wanted to wait and see how we would perform in these playoffs. Board now inclined to give him one but he prob wants more $$$ and power and shanny/board at a standstill cuz it doesnt deserve it

Kyper in a Star article suggested an extension was there last offseason had he wanted it, but he bet on himself to do some playoff winning for better terms.

 

[Kaladin]

Season is done, we've done the disecting the shitshow part already. Frankly there is not much to be said that hasn't been said a million times, everyone knows that part and the 7 year history behind it.

It's offseason time, and the GM, Coach and expiring contracts are the current news. Nothing Kyle said is affecting that that is the discussion right now, that's happening regardless.


Kyper in a Star article suggested an extension was there last offseason had he wanted it, but he bet on himself to do some playoff winning for better terms.

Of course it's affecting the discussion. People/media should be talking about how Dubas doesn't deserve to stay because of said "shitshow" and the years of history.

Instead everyone's talking about how maybe Dubas might not even accept the Toronto offer of an extension when it comes. Because of how "tough" it's been on his family. Lol how did it spin around to us being beholden to his charity? He should be begging to keep his job after failing so consistently.

 

[Stephen]

The last 5 pages of this thread makes it clear to me why someone might want to reassess working for or representing this team.

The Leafs job is hard and there are tons of reasons for someone in Dubas' position to re-evaluate and maybe walk away.

So why not just re-evaluate and then inform the world of a decision once you've done all you need to? There's just a level of personal information that I don't think will be of use if he decided to stay. That feeling of being too under pressure probably won't change if he got another GM job.

 

[BallardEra]

The Leafs job is hard and there are tons of reasons for someone in Dubas' position to re-evaluate and maybe walk away.

So why not just re-evaluate and then inform the world of a decision once you've done all you need to? There's just a level of personal information that I don't think will be of use if he decided to stay. That feeling of being too under pressure probably won't change if he got another GM job.

This is why I maintain that more is going on behind the scenes and with Shanahan. It's almost like a chess game between them in order to look good when the shit really hits the fan in the next few days.

 

[Stephen]

This is why I maintain that more is going on behind the scenes and with Shanahan. It's almost like a chess game between them in order to look good when the shit really hits the fan in the next few days.

We'll see in time what's going on and will probably make great sports radio content. Just felt like a Kendall Roy press conference, a la Succession, throwing a podium curve ball.

 

[Antropovsky]

He's done a good job overall. But I mean they also made the playoffs by 1 point. If Pittsburgh beats Chicago in the final week Florida is handing over a lotto pick to Montreal and staring at no 1st rounders for the next few years on a team that can't even make the playoffs. Really doubt you'd be topping him off in that case.

We're in pretty much the same position with our picks (maybe worse):

Leafs Until 2026 -
1st round picks - three
2nd round picks - 0

*one first is from presidents trophy winner Boston for Sandin


Florida until 2026 -
First round picks - one
Second round picks - three

Since taking over as GM, Florida GM added:

Tkachuk (25)- for two 30 year old about to get retirement contracts
Reinhart (26)- for a late 1st and a 7th round 6' goalie,
Montour (28) - 3rd round pick
Bennett (25) - late 2nd and Leimenan prospect (already traded by Flames)
Verhaeghe (26) - ufa

Quite the haul for what they gave up.

What impactful players has Dubas added since taking over? Lost/trade Hyman and Kadri and traded Marleau for 13th overall (Jarvis)?

 

[The Masters]

Kyper in a Star article suggested an extension was there last offseason had he wanted it, but he bet on himself to do some playoff winning for better terms.

that doesn't mean much. Johnston reported with certainty that Board/Shanny didnt offer one.

 

[The Masters]

I think Dubas is gone

 

[thewave]

Season is done, we've done the disecting the shitshow part already. Frankly there is not much to be said that hasn't been said a million times, everyone knows that part and the 7 year history behind it.

It's offseason time, and the GM, Coach and expiring contracts are the current news. Nothing Kyle said is affecting that that is the discussion right now, that's happening regardless.


Kyper in a Star article suggested an extension was there last offseason had he wanted it, but he bet on himself to do some playoff winning for better terms.

I know I burnt myself out in these threads. Just waiting to see what happens to Dubas and company. I think they are just going to relieve him of his duties without firing him and promote Pridham.

 

[centipede2233]

He’s bailing

That’s what I got from it, I totally think he’s bailing because he knows matthews isn’t resigning, which in turn makes dubas the most hated person which in turn means his wife can’t go out in public without some sort of backlash, whether is weird looks, somebody says something. Dubas is bailing for sure