Player Discussion Emil Heineman

[BigDaddyLurch]

I’m 100% with you lol but i don’t think you can realistically send him in the AHL and be successful at trading him after.

...he's got Net Negative value and that isn't changing... every GM in the League knows he's a one-trick pony who's one trick isn't much of a trick anymore...if he gets outplayed by a rook (which shouldn't be all too difficult to imagine), then he deserves a demotion...

Having a disgruntled Hoffman in the AHL for the next two seasons probably won't contribute to a positive environment in Laval where we're trying to develop future Habs.

...as opposed to having a useless Hoffman destroying the environment with the Big Club??...if he whines too much, send his arse to Robidas Island and eat the cap for a couple years...

 

[Milhouse40]

Apparently bergevin (timmins) wanted Heineman in the 2020 draft with one of their 2nd round picks but he ended up being drafted at #43 and the habs had #47 and #48 so got Tuch and Mysak.



If we didn’t have that many useless vets i think he would’ve made the team.

Heineman looked good but this is not the camp yet, things will get interesting for sure but there's other player already waiting for some of these useless vets to go away......like Ylonen.

 

[Sorinth]

Having a disgruntled Hoffman in the AHL for the next two seasons probably won't contribute to a positive environment in Laval where we're trying to develop future Habs.

Then send him to the ECHL.

 

[Schooner Guy]

...as opposed to having a useless Hoffman destroying the environment with the Big Club??...if he whines too much, send his arse to Robidas Island and eat the cap for a couple years...

Not sure why he'll destroy the environment with the Big Club. I didn't hear of any issues with him last year.

As far as Robidas Island goes, we already have Price on LTIR which gives us very limited flexibility. We've already taken on Dadonov's salary to get rid of another veteran on LTIR to give us some LTIR breathing room.

 

[BaseballCoach]

No but a guy like drouin or hoffman that you need to put in the line up take spots

But there would be MORE need to put them in the lineup if they were useful, so why is Heineman<s making the team harder if they are NOT useful?

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

...why do we need Hoffman in the lineup??...guy's a lost cause at this point; send him to the AHL (or preferably another team)...

We need Hoffman, Armia, Drouin in the line up for Fantilli

 

[Schooner Guy]

Then send him to the ECHL.

LOL! Imagine a world without a player's union.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Heineman looked good but this is not the camp yet, things will get interesting for sure but there's other player already waiting for some of these useless vets to go away......like Ylonen.

Ah yes, a useless non-vet.

 

[BaseballCoach]

LOL! Imagine a world without a player's union.

If a player behaves poorly inh Laval, he can be benched or, if really bad, suspended.

However, I don't think Hoffman would behave badly. James Neal didn't.

Anyway, for my money, Drouin is worse than Hoffman. Whichever one of those two, or Monahan, who stinks the most should get demoted. Byron will be on IR for months.

That leaves 14 F including Slaf, and we can go with 7D when on the road, 6D when at home.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

They're 18 and 20. Neither of them are going to be harmed waiting a little bit longer and developing more.

Especially Heineman who isn't NHL ready.

Heineman looked to me the most NHL ready but I see zero point in rushing him. Let Hoffman try and regain some trade value.

I think I saw Heineman make some passes where he should've just shot after that goal. Like he didn't want to be seen as a puck hog or just trying to be selfless and let some other kids shine. In a rookie tourney, that's totally fine.

Liked what I saw a lot. Solid potential there.

 

[Sorinth]

LOL! Imagine a world without a player's union.

Huh? How does a player union matter, they get paid the same no matter where you send them. Montreal is within it's right to send the player to the AHL or ECHL if they want, they can even simply tell them to stay home.

I doubt Hoffman would actually be so bad that it would necessitate those extremes, but they are options available if being in the AHL creates problems.

 

[jrom]

I think this is a valid explanation for why Heineman won't (can't) be in Laval this year, from a Renaud Lavoie article.

Heineman didn't have an ELC signed before getting traded to the Habs so he is in his 1st year currently. Since he is not a 1st round pick, he must return to the Euro team that has his rights if he is not playing in the NHL (1st year only restriction).

Emil Heineman devra se tailler un poste avec les Canadiens s’il veut demeurer en Amérique, sinon il devra retourner en Suède. Même s’il a été repêché il y a deux ans, il a seulement signé son contrat d’entrée dans la LNH après avoir été échangé aux Canadiens. Dans les faits, puisqu’il n’est pas un choix de première ronde, il ne pourra jouer à Laval (LAH) cette année s’il n’est pas en mesure de jouer dans la LNH. Selon les ententes avec les fédérations internationales, un joueur européens doit retourner dans la formation qui détient ses droits s’il ne joue pas dans la LNH. Cette règle existe seulement lors de la première année du contrat d’entrée d’un joueur.

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[Goldenhands]

Really intrigued by this prospect.

A few things that are very apparent from one game:

His shot and release are nhl level. They are actually both quite above average when compared to many nhlers. His shot and release mechanics are very Pacioretty-esque.

His skating and puck hounding skills are also nhl level.

Those skills were a step above everyone else on the ice yesterday.

It will be interesting to see if he can burry most of his scoring chances down the road, but one thing is for sure, he will get plenty, the talent level is there, he plays smart and strong, he is built for the NHL.

 

[MasterD]

...why not??...if they suck it and the kids are better, the kids should play and the bloated egos of those guys should start ridin' the bus in the AHL...

Bro, we’re tanking. And trying to get good prospects for our scrap. No way guys like Armia or Hoffman start in the AHL.

Either they suck and we tank, or they play well and get traded.

 

[Scriptor]

Heineman looked to me the most NHL ready but I see zero point in rushing him. Let Hoffman try and regain some trade value.

I think I saw Heineman make some passes where he should've just shot after that goal. Like he didn't want to be seen as a puck hog or just trying to be selfless and let some other kids shine. In a rookie tourney, that's totally fine.

Liked what I saw a lot. Solid potential there.

Agree. He should've shot more than try to be overly generous for his line mates.

It will be interesting to see if he can burry most of his scoring chances down the road, but one thing is for sure, he will get plenty, the talent level is there, he plays smart and strong, he is built for the NHL.

he also has a wicked shot, as does Beck, as does Mesar, as does Roy in there pipeline, as does...

Bro, we’re tanking. And trying to get good prospects for our scrap. No way guys like Armia or Hoffman start in the AHL.

Either they suck and we tank, or they play well and get traded.

I'm willing to waive Hoffman and Kill whatever little value he has left. I'm certainly not going out of my way to give him quality TOI that won't make him worth much more, in the end. Better save some quality minutes for the youngsters to help with their confidence.

 

[MasterD]

I'm willing to waive Hoffman and Kill whatever little value he has left. I'm certainly not going out of my way to give him quality TOI that won't make him worth much more, in the end. Better save some quality minutes for the youngsters to help with their confidence.

Unicorns are cool and all, but they don’t pay Molson’s bills.

 

[Belial]

I think this is a valid explanation for why Heineman won't (can't) be in Laval this year, from a Renaud Lavoie article.

Heineman didn't have an ELC signed before getting traded to the Habs so he is in his 1st year currently. Since he is not a 1st round pick, he must return to the Euro team that has his rights if he is not playing in the NHL (1st year only restriction).

Emil Heineman devra se tailler un poste avec les Canadiens s’il veut demeurer en Amérique, sinon il devra retourner en Suède. Même s’il a été repêché il y a deux ans, il a seulement signé son contrat d’entrée dans la LNH après avoir été échangé aux Canadiens. Dans les faits, puisqu’il n’est pas un choix de première ronde, il ne pourra jouer à Laval (LAH) cette année s’il n’est pas en mesure de jouer dans la LNH. Selon les ententes avec les fédérations internationales, un joueur européens doit retourner dans la formation qui détient ses droits s’il ne joue pas dans la LNH. Cette règle existe seulement lors de la première année du contrat d’entrée d’un joueur.

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Honestly, with all the wingers we have, we don't really need him right now.

He could even marinate down there for 2 years probably...

 

[Number 57]

I think this is a valid explanation for why Heineman won't (can't) be in Laval this year, from a Renaud Lavoie article.

Heineman didn't have an ELC signed before getting traded to the Habs so he is in his 1st year currently. Since he is not a 1st round pick, he must return to the Euro team that has his rights if he is not playing in the NHL (1st year only restriction).

Emil Heineman devra se tailler un poste avec les Canadiens s’il veut demeurer en Amérique, sinon il devra retourner en Suède. Même s’il a été repêché il y a deux ans, il a seulement signé son contrat d’entrée dans la LNH après avoir été échangé aux Canadiens. Dans les faits, puisqu’il n’est pas un choix de première ronde, il ne pourra jouer à Laval (LAH) cette année s’il n’est pas en mesure de jouer dans la LNH. Selon les ententes avec les fédérations internationales, un joueur européens doit retourner dans la formation qui détient ses droits s’il ne joue pas dans la LNH. Cette règle existe seulement lors de la première année du contrat d’entrée d’un joueur.

Justin Barron touché par les propos de Crosby - TVA Sports

L'espoir du CH a la chance de s'entraîner l'été avec Crosby et Nathan MacKinnon.

www.tvasports.ca

1- I've never heard of that rule, like ever.

2- It's Renaud Lavoie, absolutely not legit in any sense of the word.

3- Quick research says Danila Klimovich, drafted out of Europe in the 2nd round in 2021, played in the AHL last year. So there you go.

 

[Belial]

1- I've never heard of that rule, like ever.

2- It's Renaud Lavoie, absolutely not legit in any sense of the word.

3- Quick research says Danila Klimovich, drafted out of Europe in the 2nd round in 2021, played in the AHL last year. So there you go.

Heineman is under contract in Europe with an NHL clause.

If he doesn't stick in the NHL he has to go back.

 

[yianik]

Bottom line, the guy seems a good bet for the 3rd line, but has top 6 upside , so was a good piece back in the Toffoli trade.

 

[WeThreeKings]

1- I've never heard of that rule, like ever.

2- It's Renaud Lavoie, absolutely not legit in any sense of the word.

3- Quick research says Danila Klimovich, drafted out of Europe in the 2nd round in 2021, played in the AHL last year. So there you go.

1. Doesn't matter if you haven't heard of it. It's a rule.

2. It's not just Renaud Lavoie. You can read the clause in the SHL transfer agreement.

3. Klimovich didn't come from the SHL. He may not have had a valid European contract either. There's different transfer rules by different ice hockey federations like the KHL and the NHL don't have a transfer agreement at all.

 

[Adam Michaels]

1- I've never heard of that rule, like ever.

2- It's Renaud Lavoie, absolutely not legit in any sense of the word.

3- Quick research says Danila Klimovich, drafted out of Europe in the 2nd round in 2021, played in the AHL last year. So there you go.

You should learn the player transfer agreement. If you're not a 1st rounder and you don't crack the NHL line-up, you have to be sent back to Europe to the team you're under contract with. Heineman is under contract with Leksands.

Klimovich wasn't under contract with a European team when he signed his ELC. So he was free to come play in the AHL right away.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Just wanted to add that what I did learn from Lavoie is that this rule only applies to the 1st year of your ELC. I didn't know that.

Heineman is signed with Leksands for another 2 years after this year. But if Lavoie has it right, then even if Heineman doesn't make the Habs next camp, they can keep him for Laval rather than have to send him back to Sweden.

 

[FerrisRox]

...why do we need Hoffman in the lineup??...guy's a lost cause at this point; send him to the AHL (or preferably another team)...

I don't think there's much chance that there are legitimately going to be so many players better than Hoffman that he deserves to be sent to the AHL.

And if he's sent to the AHL and there's even a slight argument that he belongs on the NHL team instead, you can do serious damage to the Canadiens ability to court and sign free agents.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Bottom line, the guy seems a good bet for the 3rd line, but has top 6 upside , so was a good piece back in the Toffoli trade.

Yes, Heineman is a prototype of a great 3rd liner... with top 6 potential. I really like his skillset, he have great shot, great skating, good hands, good hockey IQ, good two-way ability too. This guy is going to be a important player for Habs. Great trade by Hughes with Toffoli since we drafted a talented prospect with Filip Mesar. Toffoli for Mesar and Heineman? Great trade so far.