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One of the main reasons parties hire intermediaries to represent them during a hearing. You can get too emotionally involved arguing your own case.
Eller's Arbitration
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One of the main reasons parties hire intermediaries to represent them during a hearing. You can get too emotionally involved arguing your own case.
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Like most players going into arbitration, Eller realizes that if he is not considered a top 6 player, or is merely relegated to a mostly defensive role, he will never get a shot at the bigger money associated with point-getters.
Thing is, some here feel that Eller can still be a 2nd line centre. If that's Eller's evaluation of himself, we may have irreconcilable differences.
Post hearing convo between Bergevin and Jarmo Kekalainen: What will you give me for Eller, Nygren and Reway?
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Like most players going into arbitration, Eller realizes that if he is not considered a top 6 player, or is merely relegated to a mostly defensive role, he will never get a shot at the bigger money associated with point-getters.
Thing is, some here feel that Eller can still be a 2nd line centre. If that's Eller's evaluation of himself, we may have irreconcilable differences.
Post hearing convo between Bergevin and Jarmo Kekalainen: What will you give me for Eller, Nygren and Reway?
well, if you're Eller, you know you're very good on faceoff, good defensively, shown enough flashes offensively to get an extended look on the top 6, you also led your team in points in the PO
and more importantly IMO, you're behind guys who arent that productive offensively... I mean, if you're behind Crosby, Toews, Kopitar and other like them on the depth chart, you need no explanation you know why and you're OK with it... but when you're behind guys who produces 40 and 50 pts, you want your shot (20, 30, 40 games, not just 2 or 3 when theres an injury) at the top 6.
At east, that's what I'd be thinking, you dont think I can eventually surpass a 40 or 50 pts C ? fine, I'm gone.
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The general sentiment as I see it, is that Eller's hockey IQ is below average and that makes him better suited to defensive duties on a third line.
How is that measured, I'm not sure. However, part of it has to do with how MT and MB have anointed him.
I think you are correct -- he may not be in agreement with the way he is being slotted. That he thinks he may get top 6 consideration elsewhere, is probably the point at which Bergevin hits the phones and finds out if someone else is willing to cough up trade value consistent with that.
How is that measured, I'm not sure. However, part of it has to do with how MT and MB have anointed him.
I think you are correct -- he may not be in agreement with the way he is being slotted. That he thinks he may get top 6 consideration elsewhere, is probably the point at which Bergevin hits the phones and finds out if someone else is willing to cough up trade value consistent with that.
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Even then I'm not sure the player is ok with it, though they probably understand it better. Staal left Pittsburgh in large part because he knew he'd never get a top-6 spot.
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What is the chance of Eller packing it in and going to Europe?
What would the cost be to get a FA that is the equivalent for Eller?
What would the cost be to get a FA that is the equivalent for Eller?
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Didn't even think of that as a possibility. Where might he go? Not in one of those low-paying Swedish leagues? He'd have to jump to the KHL. And given the current political climate in Russia, who would want to go there.
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If he's really unhappy, he'll just request a trade.
And at 1.65, I could see why he would be really unhappy.
Unlikely, his case will go before an arbitrator in the worst case scenario and they'll decide without bias.
If he wanted to leave for europe he would've already.
UFA versus RFA? If I recall correctly, DD was going RFA when he signed, that's worth some $. Plus he just came out of a 60 point season. He's a 60 point guy, Eller never tallied more than 30 but does have size in defensive play in his favor. Eller sucked at Top-6 minutes almost every time he was put in that spot but played well on the 3rd line. His hockey IQ is too low. He's also hugely inconsistent. Hence why his salary ceiling is limited.
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So you're telling me that on the road, Therrien won't send DD after the Habs killed a PK (top 2 lines are out, bottom lines omes in = offensive game situation)?
Opponent bottom lines creates a icing, Therrien has the ability to put DD's line and Markov or Subban on the ice and he won't do it? (Offensive game situation)
Offensive games situation are everywhere and having the last change won't get you the whole control over match-up.....it pretty much gives you last change AT FACEOFFS only.
Having said that....If Eller has to produce as a #2C on the road, does it seems fair to you that he need to do it with bottom lines players?????? I don't EVER remember outproducing any top 6 players before getting his chances.....on the road....
Eller won't be compared to teammates. Eller will be compared to other players in the league. So sorry (not sorry) that the arbitration hearing won't be Eller's agent yapping about Desharnais the entire time. After all, he's a professional
OK, this made me chuckle more than it should have.
So you think he's unhappy because he's eventually going to sign for 500k to 1M more than the 1.65M offer the Habs submitted to the arbitrator today?
There's not much separating both sides... You realize this, right?
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Eller also probably realizes that he had a pretty poor season, for the most part. He was one of the habs best players in the playoffs though. I think next season will be a big proving ground for him. I think 2.6m per is fair.
Hopefully they'll settle in the 2.25 - 2.5 range on a short term deal. I personally think it's worth a gamble to give him the 3mil at 4-5 years but not on a 1 year deal.
If it does go to arbitration both will be able to argue their side and more than likely the arbitrator will go somewhere in the middle. We shouldn't get overly sensitive at the 1.65 number, they won't bring their max (for example, 2.75) to the arbitrator.
If PK isn't signed before the 48 hour period, I bet this place is going to explode when the team submits 6 - 6.5 for arbitration lol.
If it does go to arbitration both will be able to argue their side and more than likely the arbitrator will go somewhere in the middle. We shouldn't get overly sensitive at the 1.65 number, they won't bring their max (for example, 2.75) to the arbitrator.
If PK isn't signed before the 48 hour period, I bet this place is going to explode when the team submits 6 - 6.5 for arbitration lol.
You'd think both sides are 10M apart reading this thread
Not the 1.45M that there actually is...
He better take advantage of it, because on paper it looks like scoring will be our downfall this coming year.
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So on one hand, MB is a shrewd, savvy negotiator who stared down Subban with his "take it or leave it" bridge deal...
...but is now utterly incapable of taking the same stance with a player who's less integral to the organization and is coming off a worse season?
I'm optimistic about our scoring next year, mostly because Beaulieu-Gilbert gives us a 2nd PP unit capable of doing the job.
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