Eller's Arbitration

[417]

But then he could point out to the playoff, where he was once again our top forward.

Sure...but a 16 game sample vs an entire season sample, who do you think would come out on top if it went to a 3rd party???

I personally think both sides will come to an agreement in the middle, especially in Eller's case because I don't think he has much of a case in front of an arbitrator. He picked a bad year to have a bad year

Them the breaks

 

[Habskrieg]

Meh, when you negociate contracts, you aim high if you want a better salary, then you negociate. If you ask low, you won't get more. It goes likewise for somebody giving the money, except you don't go the absolute minimum.

Eller and Bergevin are probably willing to go towards a middle. Both camps are just stating the starting value.

 

[Winter Eclipse]

First of all...there's still more than enough time to get a deal done before the hearing and before the arbitrator renders his decision.

There's today and tomorrow, and they've been negotiating how long now?

Second of all...Eller's camp also basically guaranteed arbitration by requesting 3.1M.

Agree completely.

All of this means is that they're going to settle in the middle...something between
2-2.5M

Phew!

Because of the season Eller had, he's not really in the driver's seat...while you would love to see the Habs just 'be nice' and come in with a better offer than they did, they didn't have too.

I never said any of this BS, which is a complete strawman you invented and then attributed to me.

MB's job is to negotiate with players; if he's just going to throw out ridiculous numbers and let an arbitrator do that for him, then yeah, I'm fairly unimpressed with how he's handled this situation. I'd like to see some actual effort from him, not sure how that qualifies as wanting him to "play nice" or as something you think he doesn't have to do.

 

[Coldplay]

1,65 is pretty ridiculous. It would be pretty stupid from them to think Lars is really worth only that. I guess that's just for arbitration to they settle for less than if they had offer say 2,25M.

Team would never make its best or "what Eller will get" offer first. $1.65 is on the lower-end of where he'll wind up, definitely.

And to be fair, Eller is coming off a hugely frustrating year after a good 48-game sample size. He's had one good showing sandwhiched between two less productive showings. At this point in his career, he hasn't earned the leverage to make that much more than $1.65 million arb figure (so the $2.5ish million between the Habs' offer and Eller's ask), imho.

 

[Le Tricolore]

Oh, my bad, I forgot hes a top flight player. Will he make the Hall of fame ?



Im not even debating he had a bad statistical year. Eller, unlike DD didnt get to play with Patches on all powerplay.

Also, didnt Eller produce at the same rate since 2011 for ES points ? Yeah, I think so. Look at the big picture, but obviously I can see where you come from, thats how Bergevin will handle this.

I think if given the chance Eller will definitely become a better player than Desharnais... he probably already is better actually. But to give a player putting up 26 points 3+ million makes no sense. I know he didn't get the offensive chances, but before the playoffs, he didn't really deserve too many either. I'm hoping the Habs and Eller can agree before this goes to arbitration, but if not, I hope they only sign a one year deal. I'd hate to see Eller become a UFA in 2 years and lose him for nothing. Regardless of the contract, Therrien HAS to give him more offensive responsibilities, both for the good of Lars and for the good of the team.

 

[417]

The only thing I take away from this news today is that both sides are close to a deal.

How anyone could criticise Bergevin for this offer, is quite puzzling to be honest. The guy REGRESSED based on his previous year, yet you all want Bergevin to go in with a higher arbitration offer because he's a popular player on this board.

What's going on around here???? I mean, I know it's the offseason and all..but jeez

 

[Hope Of Glory]

Team would never make its best or "what Eller will get" offer first. $1.65 is on the lower-end of where he'll wind up, definitely.

And to be fair, Eller is coming off a hugely frustrating year after a good 48-game sample size. He's had one good showing sandwhiched between two less productive showings. At this point in his career, he hasn't earned the leverage to make that much more than $1.65 million arb figure (so the $2.5ish million between the Habs' offer and Eller's ask), imho.

Yeah, he didn't have a great year by any means. I wonder how much his playoff performance can raise his value in front of the arbitrator.

 

[417]

There's today and tomorrow, and they've been negotiating how long now?



Agree completely.



Phew!



I never said any of this BS, which is a complete strawman you invented and then attributed to me.

MB's job is to negotiate with players; if he's just going to throw out ridiculous numbers and let an arbitrator do that for him, then yeah, I'm fairly unimpressed with how he's handled this situation. I'd like to see some actual effort from him, not sure how that qualifies as wanting him to "play nice" or as something you think he doesn't have to do.

How is he supposed to do that??? Give you a private line into contract negotiations with Eller??

There's really nothing to see here...there's absolutely nothing earth shattering about today's news.

I don't get what the issue is...

 

[Sorinth]

Yeah exactly...so what's the issue here???

The 1.6m and 3.1m are the actual views of both sides they aren't artificially low/high as part of some negotiating tactic. That's what they actually believe Eller is worth, and they no doubt have stats, comparables, etc... to back up their respective evaluations.

 

[417]

The 1.6m and 3.1m are the actual views of both sides they aren't artificially low/high as part of some negotiating tactic. That's what they actually believe Eller is worth, and they no doubt have stats, comparables, etc... to back up their respective evaluations.

Yeah? and???

Doesn't mean they won't negotiate for more or come off of that offer...and if they don't, they certainly have a case.

Eller, despite his good playoffs, didn't have a good year..and once more, he's a RESTRICTED FREE AGENT. So his leverage is very, very small, miniscule really.

I think the Habs believe in Eller, so they'll likely negotiate a better deal for him...but they certainly don't have too just because he's got some potential.

 

[Peonica99]

Should be able to meet in the middle somewhere, if not than there is a major problem.

 

[417]

Question...

Let's say it gets to arbitration and no deal is made between both parties and the arbitrator renders his decision

Does he have to either award Eller the teams offer of 1.65M or award Eller the 3.1M he's looking for?

Or can he go anywhere in between those 2 figures???

 

[Sorinth]

Yeah? and???

Doesn't mean they won't negotiate for more or come off of that offer...and if they don't, they certainly have a case.

Eller, despite his good playoffs, didn't have a good year..and once more, he's a RESTRICTED FREE AGENT. So his leverage is very, very small, miniscule really.

I think the Habs believe in Eller, so they'll likely negotiate a better deal for him...but they certainly don't have too just because he's got some potential.

I never said they won't negotiate, but you keep referencing these numbers as if they were an initial offer which they will negotiate off of. That's not what these numbers represent.

 

[Winter Eclipse]

How is he supposed to do that??? Give you a private line into contract negotiations with Eller??

There's really nothing to see here...there's absolutely nothing earth shattering about today's news.

I don't get what the issue is...

Nevermind, dude, you clearly are getting upset that anyone disagrees with MB, as per usual.

 

[Winter Eclipse]

I never said they won't negotiate, but you keep referencing these numbers as if they were an initial offer which they will negotiate off of. That's not what these numbers represent.

To be fair, he's amended his position to 1.65M is perfectly understandable and Eller can GTFO if he doesn't like it.

 

[Gustave]

Question...

Let's say it gets to arbitration and no deal is made between both parties and the arbitrator renders his decision

Does he have to either award Eller the teams offer of 1.65M or award Eller the 3.1M he's looking for?

Or can he go anywhere in between those 2 figures???

In between.

MLB arb is what you're thinking of when it's only options are the ones proposed.

 

[Pierre Dagenais]

Question...

Let's say it gets to arbitration and no deal is made between both parties and the arbitrator renders his decision

Does he have to either award Eller the teams offer of 1.65M or award Eller the 3.1M he's looking for?

Or can he go anywhere in between those 2 figures???

I think the arbitrator can go anywhere between those 2 values

 

[417]

Nevermind, dude, you clearly are getting upset that anyone disagrees with MB, as per usual.

Upset? lol...more like amused

And I don't care about people disagreeing with MB, just seems you guys go out of your way to disagree with anything he does, even something so arbitrary as today's news

 

[Sorinth]

Question...

Let's say it gets to arbitration and no deal is made between both parties and the arbitrator renders his decision

Does he have to either award Eller the teams offer of 1.65M or award Eller the 3.1M he's looking for?

Or can he go anywhere in between those 2 figures???

I believe he can award anything he wants, doesn't even have to be within that range of numbers. He could give Eller 5m or 1m if he wanted to.

 

[RealityBytes]

Question...

Let's say it gets to arbitration and no deal is made between both parties and the arbitrator renders his decision

Does he have to either award Eller the teams offer of 1.65M or award Eller the 3.1M he's looking for?

Or can he go anywhere in between those 2 figures???

Good question.

I can't remember where, but I do remember there is/was a league (can't remember which) that when a case went to arbitration, the arbitrator reviewed and had only two choices: either award the team amount or the player requested amount. No in betweens. From what I can find, that doesn't seem to be the case here though.

 

[Sorinth]

To be fair, he's amended his position to 1.65M is perfectly understandable and Eller can GTFO if he doesn't like it.

Yet he could have been offering Eller 2.5m on a 3-4 year deal. He could have been offering a 1 year 2m deal just to try and avoid arbitration.

Those numbers aren't offers, it's the actual value they see Eller having.

 

[417]

To be fair, he's amended his position to 1.65M is perfectly understandable and Eller can GTFO if he doesn't like it.

well considering the season Eller had...yeah, it is. Sucks for him, i'm a big fan and I certainly think he deserves more than that (and i'm sure Habs do to). But this isn't about playing favorites

All that these 2 figures represent today is that IF negotiations gets so bad that they have to go to a 3rd party where both sides lose complete control, the Habs feel he's worth 1.65M, while Eller think he's worth 3.1M.

That's all these figures represent...IF negotiations get to the point where both sides have no more control, these are the figures they present.

But it's not going to get to that point...so there's really nothing to see here.

Just a lot of people with too much time on their hands who want to dissect every little bit of arbitrary news that comes out from the Habs at this point

 

[Roulin]

Don't know if he's reliable...

Craig Morgan ‏@cmorganfoxaz
Hearing Lars Eller requested $3.1M and Montreal offered $1.650M.

My guesses for comps: Montreal uses Mikael Backlund and Ben Smith. Eller uses Artem Anisimov and Tyler Johnson.

 

[417]

Yet he could have been offering Eller 2.5m on a 3-4 year deal. He could have been offering a 1 year 2m deal just to try and avoid arbitration.

Those numbers aren't offers, it's the actual value they see Eller having.

It's the value they see Eller having IF it gets to arbitration

 

[Milhouse40]

- Eller finished top 30 for hits and blocked shots (for a center) 2 years in a row
- Eller also finished in the top 30 for faceoffs last years.
- Outproduced first center DD for a full season from the 3rd line (this is the 1st time it happened in more than a decade)
- ES points last 2 season incl. PO : DD = 64, Eller = 57, Plek = 56
- Good on penalty kills (no points for that, but that is worth something)
- Can make a case that he never had a legitimate shot at top 6/PP ice-time

I think this worth more than Prust....but Bergevin offer is lower than the one he gave to Weaver, about the same money as Bouillon.....and even less than Moen!!!!