Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - Please, Be Civil

[Ernie]

Canadian teams have been in 7 cup finals in the last 30yrs. Before that won 12 of 20yrs.

Mostly the ineptitude has been due to impatience and allowing outside pressures effect sound business and on ice decisions

Where does that pressure come from?

7 times is still very low. Should happen every 2-3 years. Hasn't happened in 13.

 

[LemonSauceD]

For hypothetical scenarios, If there’s a team that could want to land Pettersson it would be Washington.

Possible returns:
Protas
McMicheal
Leonard
Iorio
Fehervary
2025 1st
Cristall

we would need to take back Oshie/Backstrom LTIR contracts to make it work.

 

[sting101]

Where does that pressure come from?

7 times is still very low. Should happen every 2-3 years. Hasn't happened in 13.

Media and fans

yes should be 10

 

[Ernie]

Media and fans

yes should be 10

The media just sells the fans what they want.

13 or 14.

 

[Ernie]

For hypothetical scenarios, If there’s a team that could want to land Pettersson it would be Washington.

Possible returns:
Protas
McMicheal
Leonard
Iorio
Fehervary
2025 1st
Cristall

we would need to take back Oshie/Backstrom LTIR contracts to make it work.

Pettersson would decide where he wants to go, as is his right, so you can't expect the return would be high.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Pettersson would decide where he wants to go, as is his right, so you can't expect the return would be high.

He doesn’t have any trade clauses/protections this season.

 

[sting101]

wonder how the NBA and NFL guys can handle being in the US

The media just sells the fans what they want.

13 or 14.

Yep but it's also what the players get more exposed to than just fans.

The media gives the fans the platform and then takes the storylines and sensationalizes them to maximize the attention and air time/social media

Just part of the business

All major sports are as bad or worse....Soccer Football NBA MLB take your pick.

More excuses

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Where does that pressure come from?

7 times is still very low. Should happen every 2-3 years. Hasn't happened in 13.

That just isn't realistic. There are 32 teams in the league and 25 of them are American. The odds of a Canadian team not only making the playoffs consistently but making the finals every 2-3 years is astronomically low.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

So how about public transit in the Lower Mainland?

 

[Ernie]

That just isn't realistic. There are 32 teams in the league and 25 of them are American. The odds of a Canadian team not only making the playoffs consistently but making the finals every 2-3 years is astronomically low.

There should be at least 1 Canadian team making the finals every 2-3 years. There should be a 44% chance that a Canadian team is in the finals each year.

 

[Kryten]

There should be at least 1 Canadian team making the finals every 2-3 years. There should be a 44% chance that a Canadian team is in the finals every year.

Could you please break down your math here

 

[Kryten]

A Canadian team should have been in the finals 6 times in the last 13 years that no team has appeared.

Who played the Panthers last year?

 

[sting101]

There should be at least 1 Canadian team making the finals every 2-3 years. There should be a 44% chance that a Canadian team is in the finals each year.

A Canadian team should have been in the finals 6 times in the last 13 years that no team has appeared.

Does Edmonton count

or Montreal

 

[Ernie]

Could you please break down your math here

Sure.

There are 2 spots in the finals for 32 teams. That's a 1/16 odds for each team.

There are 7 Canadian teams. Add all those odds together and you get 7/16 odds that one of them will be in the Finals in any given year, or 44%

Over two years, that becomes 14/16 odds . Over 3 years, 21/16.

I think fans underestimate how statistically unlikely that no Canadian team would win the cup over a 30 year period. All things being equal, there is about a 1 in 2500 chance that happens. That's beyond bad luck and speaks to something fundamentally broken.

Who played the Panthers last year?

You're right. I blotted that from my mind.

 

[Kryten]

Sure.

There are 2 spots in the finals for 32 teams. That's a 1/16 odds for each team.

There are 7 Canadian teams. Add all those odds together and you get 7/16 odds that one of them will be in the Finals in any given year, or 44%

Hahahahahahaha. No

 

[Ernie]

Hahahahahahaha. No

Math may not be your forte.

Happy to help you understand further if you want a clarifaction.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I just can’t fathom how anyone could have watched our series last year and think these two players are comparable other than in cap hit.

Ive also watched them play when EP was playing at his best.

Maybe you are new here?

 

[Kryten]

Math may not be your forte.

Youre right, it isnt. And I still can see that your math only works if all 7 canadian teams make the playoffs every year. Just think, how could Canada have a 44% chance of the finals when we arent even half that percentage of the total teams in the NHL?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Reading this thread is brutal.

If only EP had some personal issues so you would be forced not to speculate the integrity of his character.

 

[Ernie]

Youre right, it isnt. And I still can see that your math only works if all 7 canadian teams make the playoffs every year. Just think, how could Canada have a 44% chance of the finals when we arent even half that percentage of the total teams in the NHL?

OK, I'll show you that way, then. There are 16 playoff spots for 32 teams, so half of NHL teams should make the playoffs, right?

That would mean on average, half of the Canadian teams make it (3.5).

Once in the playoffs, one team from each conference is going to make the Finals. That's a 1 in 8 chance. So those 3.5 Canadian teams each have a 1 in 8 chance, which means that collectively, they have a 3.5 / 8 chance, or 7/16, or 44%.

 

[sting101]

OK, I'll show you that way, then. There are 16 playoff spots for 32 teams, so half of NHL teams should make the playoffs, right?

That would mean on average, half of the Canadian teams make it (3.5).

Once in the playoffs, one team from each conference is going to make the Finals. That's a 1 in 8 chance. So those 3.5 Canadian teams each have a 1 in 8 chance, which means that collectively, they have a 3.5 / 8 chance, or 7/16, or 44%.

Doesn't work that way

OTT MTL TOR - same division
EDM CGY VCR - same division

Youu have to account for the likelihood they knock each other out

 

[Ernie]

Reading this thread ia brutal.

If onlt EP had some personal issues so you would be forced not speculate the integrity of his character.

I think it just speaks to the fact that people don't want to accept how mental health is on a spectrum.

Say you're having sleeping problems. You're not going to be as effective right? You probably still show up for work, but you aren't going to be on the ball. You might make some mistakes. Now, it's not a full blown mental health crisis, but it still deserves understanding and compassion.

What bothers me about Miller is that he was going through something himself, but instead of having compassion for someone who was also struggling in their own way, he lashed out at him. If I was Pettersson, I probably won't want to be teammates with Miller anymore unless he makes an attempt to make amends.

And frankly, Tocchet handled the whole situation horribly. The idea that Miller would be tasked with "toughening up" Pettersson is crazy. And now that Miller is back, he's getting the prime icetime and the fans are back on Pettersson's case.

The situation is untenable. All they had to do was have Pettersson's back and give him the space to sort out his game, but they did the opposite, and continue to do that.

 

[Ernie]

Doesn't work that way

OTT MTL TOR - same division
EDM CGY VCR - same division

Youu have to account for the likelihood they knock each other out

That wouldn't have much of an effect. You'd probably have to run a bunch of simulated seasons to figure it out though.

You can think of it this way - each team has an individual pathway of getting to the finals. Individually, the odds aren't high. But collectively, they are substantial.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

Jared McCann and Elias Pettersson have the same amount of points this year.

 

[Ernie]

Jared McCann and Elias Pettersson have the same amount of points this year.

Good for Jared! But it's actually a down season for him compared to a couple of seasons ago when he scored 40 goals. He'll probably sign a contract that he won't live up to. Good thing for him that it won't be with the Canucks.