Dreger: Elias Lindholm will get 8M+ per year through free agency

[Izzy Goodenough]

It's not always about money, Gaudreau left money on the table when he came to Columbus.

Ok we will ignore the fact that Lindholm told the Canucks brass in his exit interview that he wants to resign in Vancouver and the other fact that the Canucks GM said that they want to resign him and another fact, that the Canucks GM then went on to say that when both sides want to get a deal done it usually gets done.

But other than that, I accept your point, things could change.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

He's a good player but I don't think he's a 1C, he's probably a nice 2C.

I think 6.5M x5 is probably something that he can live up to.

If it's 8M x7 years though, you won the bidding war but you kinda lost too.

you won the bidding, but you lost the war

 

[admiralcadillac]

Hasn’t he sucked though?

 

[canuckslover10]

genuinely think that whoever signs him will love him for the majority of the contract the guy can play maybe not as a 1C but he can be a solid two way 2C, which is worth about 8 million plus now.

 

[BB88]

He’s so much more than his points. Faceoffs, PK specialist.
7/8 mil is the going rate for a 2C

The cap on it’s own is’t the issue, it’s the term that he’s going to get on top of that when he’s turning 30y

 

[squashmaple]

Ok we will ignore the fact that Lindholm told the Canucks brass in his exit interview that he wants to resign in Vancouver and the other fact that the Canucks GM said that they want to resign him and another fact, that the Canucks GM then went on to say that when both sides want to get a deal done it usually gets done.

But other than that, I accept your point, things could change.

Do you mean re-sign? Because “resign” means to quit.

 

[sensfan4lifee]

Before the play offs people were bashing the hell out of this guy, now after the play offs he's all of a sudden an 8 million dollar player?

Nah anyone who signs him to an 8x8 contract will regret it, this will be a classic example of player being over paid by easily 2 million.

Id say he's worth 5.5 - 6 million and even then i wouldn't go 8 years.

 

[Fatass]

I'm going to predict Nashville with no taxes. And the chance to play with Forsberg. O'Reilly as a 2C, Sissons as a 3C and the Preds look better on paper than the Canucks next year.

Yup. There will be several teams bidding on Lindholm. IMO one of those clubs will trade for his rights so they can add the extra year to spread out his cap. Does Nashville still have Fabbro to offer or would Vancouver prefer a third rounder?

 

[Hookslide]

I’ll guess Columbus goes hard after him which drives him to 8M AAV that he gets from Boston.

Boston signs him it will be a signing they will regret, and should some jobs.

Good luck to whoever ties that anchor around their necks

Well said

 

[CBJx614]

Ok we will ignore the fact that Lindholm told the Canucks brass in his exit interview that he wants to resign in Vancouver and the other fact that the Canucks GM said that they want to resign him and another fact, that the Canucks GM then went on to say that when both sides want to get a deal done it usually gets done.

But other than that, I accept your point, things could change.

Cool, so the Canucks will re-sign him. IIRC correctly Gaudreau said all the same things to the Flames.

Fwiw I don't really care where he plays, I was just simply saying that the extra year and a little extra money isn't the end all be all for every player.

 

[sting101]

I'm going to predict Nashville with no taxes. And the chance to play with Forsberg. O'Reilly as a 2C, Sissons as a 3C and the Preds look better on paper than the Canucks next year.

No taxes?...you still get taxed 50% of your income at the federal rate of 39% in Nashville and then taxed wherever else you play at the rates by state and province.

A good accountant and allocation of money can avoid much of the tax nuances. Certainly no argument that some states have an advantage and better bottom line but no state tax doesn't mean "No Tax"

 

[57special]

He's a good player but I don't think he's a 1C, he's probably a nice 2C.

I think 6.5M x5 is probably something that he can live up to.

If it's 8M x7 years though, you won the bidding war but you kinda lost too.

Is he a nice #2C, at present? Or did he use to be, and is now starting to decline as he reaches his 30's, and is more of a mediocre 2C, as this year's point totals suggest?

 

[pth2]

Those 29/30+ contracts man. 80% or 90% of them turn out bad.

Which is why I'd always give bridge contracts to 21 year olds, so their next contract expires at 31 or 32, and if they won't re-sign at a reasonable rate, it's not too painful to let them go.

 

[sting101]

Which is why I'd always give bridge contracts to 21 year olds, so their next contract expires at 31 or 32, and if they won't re-sign at a reasonable rate, it's not too painful to let them go.

If only the GM could just dictate the terms? Takes 2 to tango and every agent and player also has a strategy in mind if the player is good.

I suspect Lindholm will get somewhere between 48 and 56 million and will be good for about 60-70% of it if he can play like playoff Lindholm vs the player playing for a retirement contract that looked more like a 25-30 million payday in the regular season.

Anyway you slice it the team better be in a contending window and structure it as buyout as possible the last 2-3 yrs. If not it's gonna be a hindrance when you don't want it to be

 

[Byron Bitz]

Hel get that easily. Teams love acquiring good centers without having to give up a boatload of assets

 

[WTFMAN99]

Is he a nice #2C, at present? Or did he use to be, and is now starting to decline as he reaches his 30's, and is more of a mediocre 2C, as this year's point totals suggest?

Being in between Gaudreau and Tkachuk probably set up a crazy hard to replicate season, Calgary had a tough set of challenges to navigate this season.

I think he can give you 50-60 points steady and good 2-way play.

 

[centipede2233]

The problem I see for lindholm is he offers much more value to a playoff team then a rebuilding team. He isn’t a guy that draws fans into the seats. He’s a guy that can help you in the playoffs with his skill set, the thing is there isn’t a lot of contending teams that can give a guy like lindholm 7 mil plus…but all he needs is one dumbass gm and considering dubas is still employed, there’s always a chance!

 

[Regal]

Is he a nice #2C, at present? Or did he use to be, and is now starting to decline as he reaches his 30's, and is more of a mediocre 2C, as this year's point totals suggest?

It’s hard to say tbh. I think he might have been dogging it a bit in Calgary on a team going nowhere and then there’s always some transition with a mid season trade and he played through an injury for awhile in Van before getting some rest before the playoffs. His play in the playoffs suggests he’s still a solid #2C, but it’s a smaller sample size. The one thing though is despite the playoff play being good, he really didn’t do enough to generate offense that I’d want out of someone making 8 million. He was finishing well and making plays to get the puck to teammates and keep possession, but wasn’t really creating space for others with the puck or making plays to get his own opportunities.

Personally I don’t think he’s a big enough difference maker to give that money to. His defensive work is replaceable enough with role players and his offense is replaceable enough with cheaper complementary players.

 

[dirtydanglez]

he will probably never live up to that contract but it should be an ok contract for 5 or so years.

 

[Ciao]

Yup. There will be several teams bidding on Lindholm. IMO one of those clubs will trade for his rights so they can add the extra year to spread out his cap. Does Nashville still have Fabbro to offer or would Vancouver prefer a third rounder?

Hey @Fatass, it doesn't matter who trades for his rights. A team can only sign a player for eight years if he was on their reserve list at the previous trade deadline.

 

[Kimota]

No teams is gonna offer that. Unless it's the freaking Yetis.

 

[Fatass]

Hey @Fatass, it doesn't matter who trades for his rights. A team can only sign a player for eight years if he was on their reserve list at the previous trade deadline.

So Vancouver is the only club that can go eight years? Whoever signs him is going to have to go over 8 x 7 then. Likely 8.5 per.

 

[rypper]

Ok we will ignore the fact that Lindholm told the Canucks brass in his exit interview that he wants to resign in Vancouver and the other fact that the Canucks GM said that they want to resign him and another fact, that the Canucks GM then went on to say that when both sides want to get a deal done it usually gets done.

But other than that, I accept your point, things could change.

To be fair, what else would they say?

Nah I'm good local fan base, I want out of this dump.

No, no interest we don't want that bum back, even if he was free.

 

[Ciao]

@Fatass Top marks for your user name.

If the truth were told, mine should be Beerbelly

 

[Volica]

Here's my sleeper.
Winnipeg Jets. Lots of cap space over the next few years, compete-now core, missing that guy who can slide into the top 6 down the middle. Would have lots of knowledge of him playing in Western Canada for the last number of years.

I could see a 7.8-8.1x7

Or an easy connection.

Columbus. None of the young guys have taken the steps to show they're going to be 10M players in the short term. Cap space to burn. Experience with Johnny. I could see these guys ponying up what other teams just won't do.