Did you edit your post as I saw I was tagged in notification, but, not in post.
Player Discussion: Ehlers
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Yeah, I edited because I accidently included something you quoted that I hadn't intended to respond to. Sorry about that.
Over the past 7 regular seasons at 5v5:
Connor:
511 games
144 goals
73 primary assists
266 points
1.13 goals per 60
1.7 primary points per 60
Ehlers:
451 games
113 goals
88 primary assists
249 points
1.10 goals per 60
1.96 primary points per 60
On the power play:
Connor: 2.03 goals per 60, 4.76 points per 60
Ehlers: 1.69 goals per 60, 4.51 points per 60
In summary, during the regular season Ehlers has been more productive at 5v5 in terms of primary points, and scores goals at almost the same rate as Connor at 5v5. Connor has an edge in PP productivity. But it's notable that Connor has a big edge in terms of the quality of linemates over the past several seasons.
Even is you're not confident in Ehlers' playoff contributions, he's been a key contributor to the Jets getting into the playoffs over the past several seasons, and I think that has considerable value.
Connor:
511 games
144 goals
73 primary assists
266 points
1.13 goals per 60
1.7 primary points per 60
Ehlers:
451 games
113 goals
88 primary assists
249 points
1.10 goals per 60
1.96 primary points per 60
On the power play:
Connor: 2.03 goals per 60, 4.76 points per 60
Ehlers: 1.69 goals per 60, 4.51 points per 60
In summary, during the regular season Ehlers has been more productive at 5v5 in terms of primary points, and scores goals at almost the same rate as Connor at 5v5. Connor has an edge in PP productivity. But it's notable that Connor has a big edge in terms of the quality of linemates over the past several seasons.
Even is you're not confident in Ehlers' playoff contributions, he's been a key contributor to the Jets getting into the playoffs over the past several seasons, and I think that has considerable value.
Ehlers is great. We should keep them both. If we can't, probably hope to get into the playoffs without Ehlers for an improved performance in playoffs.
The question I keep coming back to is how are each going to age as we would be signing both for thr back 9 of their careers.
Ehlers apart from his playoff struggles has injury concerns. Both of which KC doesn't have. I'd also argue Ehlers is likely to age worse then KC as imo he's much more dependent on his skating then KC is to produce so loosing a step will impact him more.
I guess it ultimately depends on the value. If you can get him at 5 years for 7 million then great, but I want nothing to do with an 8 year deal at around $8 million.
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I don't think anyone disagrees that we need more from him in the PO. But in looking at his PO record, context matters.
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Context matters when looking at anything
But specifically, what context are you referring to?
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Connor was drafted 1 year after Ehlers. He has played 74 fewer games. Not clear that he is more durable though he does avoid contact more. Yes, he scores more - in more minutes with the best linemates and PP1 time. He is also worse defensively. He is less effective in the regular season. Not sure how much more effective he is in the PO. He has certainly scored more but effectiveness is more than that. I will concede more effective, but by how much?
If you're picking Connor, you're showing your bias (which is fine, I guess).
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Has there been any info on Chevy working on an extension? Bit risky to start the season without one
None, but there was none on Helle and Scheifele last year either so who really knows.
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Some talk about Ehlers' contract situation:
www.nhl.com
Ehlers hinting he is willing to re-sign but it might be the organization that is reluctant. Said "there's a reason I've been here 9 years" and that "it's not just my decision but also the organization". Said the situation is the same as exit meetings at the end of last season. The vibe I got was not much progress has been made on that end.
Ehlers | 24.09.16 | Winnipeg Jets
Nikolaj Ehlers on earning a berth at the Olympics and the upcoming season.
www.nhl.com
Ehlers hinting he is willing to re-sign but it might be the organization that is reluctant. Said "there's a reason I've been here 9 years" and that "it's not just my decision but also the organization". Said the situation is the same as exit meetings at the end of last season. The vibe I got was not much progress has been made on that end.
Yeah it was hard to get a read off that interview. With Schiefele and Helly last season, talks really seemed to pick up during camp so hopefully the same thing happens with Ehlers.Some talk about Ehlers' contract situation:
Ehlers | 24.09.16 | Winnipeg Jets
Nikolaj Ehlers on earning a berth at the Olympics and the upcoming season.
Ehlers hinting he is willing to re-sign but it might be the organization that is reluctant. Said "there's a reason I've been here 9 years" and that "it's not just my decision but also the organization". Said the situation is the same as exit meetings at the end of last season. The vibe I got was not much progress has been made on that end.
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With public knowledge of hernias, there may be some hesitation to sign Ehlers long term. The Jets went last year with De Melo going to the wire, and there was never any talk of trading him, because he was a valuable player. And there was probably positive feedback from the player during negotiations/meetings. The Jets may not have had an offer 1-1 on Ehlers that made sense, which could change. I don't think Chevy's mandate is to trade players in the last years of their contracts, unless they expressly want to leave. It's an issue with multiple players this season. I think the season should have some determination on what some these players are worth , going forward. Playoffs too.
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Ehlers
Scheifele has been pretty good in the PO. A rare Jet. 6 points in 5 games this year.
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And a -6 that is even more damning given those point totals.
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Part of that can be pinned on Helle's less than stellar performance and usage
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Not really. First, it is +/- so ..... Second, it is in the context of the whole team's play.
Not trying to excuse Scheifele's PO performance, but he is not the problem there. Best of a bad lot.
Seems to me the whole team has worn the poor playoff label. Ehlers is more of a lifetime achievement label.
Ehlers has 4 goals and 10 assists for 14 points and is a -9 , he has been horrible in the playoffs and i like Ehlers so I'm not picking on him.Scheifele has 21 goals 17 assists for 38 points and is a -2 . Ehlers has played 37 games and Scheifele 42 . Ehlers most definitely deserves criticism.
