Proposal: Edmonton/Anaheim., Edmonton/Montreal

[Chayos]

Here is two deals that clean up some final issues for Edmonton and would be counted as push for the playoffs. I think I am good on value in the first deal as I have seen some proposals with less assets for Gibson, but I actually think this is what it would take for them to make the move


Deal one:
It is no secret that the oilers need a goalie and there have been whispers that the Ducks would consider moving Gibson. The ask will be huge and I am willing to pay it as an oiler fan.

To Anaheim;
Holloway
2022-1st Top 2 protected
Conditional 2nd 2023 that turns into a 1st if the Oilers win the cup in 2022 and Gibson plays in 16 games in the playoffs
Benson
Koskinen

To Edmonton:
Gibson

Summary: The Oilers pay the price to get their man. Anaheim comes out with a 1st, a top prospect, a b-prospect whoc might pop and a 2nd that may turn into anotehr 1st. Koskinen is filler for them until next years FA market. He will be a valuable member of the fight for Wright for the team.

To MTL:

Barrie

To Edmonton

Ben Chiarot
Ryan Poehling

Summary: The Oilers have a ready made solution to losing Barrie in Bouchard and can use the extra money saved to sign Puljujarvi next year as we need to make that a priority. Poehling can get a shot on our 4th line Chiarot can round out out bottom pairing with KK to really solidfy that third pair. The Canadians powerplay is horrid and Barrie is a top flight PP QB. Mtl has the depth to have him seeded in the third pairing which better suits his 5 vs 5 value. I think Edmonton might be getting hosed, but I still make this deal.

Final Edmonton roster

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$80,287,801	$669,339	$850,000	$1,212,199

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Left Wing	Center	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $5,500,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 7	McDavid, Connor $12,500,000 C UFA - 5	Puljujärvi, Jesse $1,175,000 RW RFA - 1
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan $5,125,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 8	Draisaitl, Leon $8,500,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 4	Yamamoto, Kailer $1,175,000 RW, C RFA - 1
Foegele, Warren $2,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Ryan, Derek $1,250,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Kassian, Zack $3,200,000 RW UFA - 3
Poehling, Ryan $750,000 C, LW RFA - 2	Shore, Devin $850,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 2	Perlini, Brendan $750,000 RW, LW RFA - 1

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Nurse, Darnell $5,600,000 LD UFA - 1	Chiarot, Ben $3,500,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 1	Gibson, John $6,400,000 G NTC UFA - 6
Keith, Duncan $5,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 2	Ceci, Cody $3,250,000 RD UFA - 4	Smith, Mike $2,200,000 G UFA - 2
Koekkoek, Slater $925,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Bouchard, Evan $863,333 RD RFA - 2

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Sceviour, Colton $750,000 RW UFA - 1	Klefbom, Oscar $4,167,000 LD NTC UFA - 2
Russell, Kris $1,250,000 LD/RD UFA - 1		Archibald, Josh $1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Turris, Kyle $1,650,000 C UFA - 1		Sta

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

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[Maitz]

I don’t think EDM trade Barrie for a 5-6th dman who is UFA and an underwhelming prospect like Poehling, he isn’t NHL material right now.

 

[Bouboumaster]

This Habs fan would do it.

Barrie would solve a problem for us

 

[All Mighty]

As a Ducks fan, that's probably an overpayment for Gibson. I would be satisfied with Holloway + 1st + Koskinen.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Pass on the Barrie deal

 

[Connor McConnor]

1) I'm fine with the Gibson deal. At the end of the day, it's going to take 1st + Holloway + Koskinen as the likely starting point. Edmonton comes out winners if we can replace Holloway with Broberg. If the price of us winning a cup because he was our starting goalie the whole time and we have him for 5 more years taking him to a reasonable age 33 season is us giving up another 1st it's okay. We have a fairly decent prospect pool already who are close to being NHL ready giving us some leeway for a few years.

I am not confident Gibson waives his NMC to come to Edmonton though / I am quite confident they would be one of the 10 teams on his list.

2) Hell no to the Barrie deal. He has more value than 1 non NHLer

 

[The Great Weal]

2) Hell no to the Barrie deal. He has more value than non NHLers.

How the hell is Chiarot not an NHLer?

 

[Connor McConnor]

How the hell is Chiarot not an NHLer?

My bad and fair point - he'd be 3rd pairing for us and I personally want Samorukov to be given a chance at 3LD instead but he is an NHL quality player still.

 

[Archijerej]

Barrie does nothing for the Habs.

You can have Chiarot for picks and/or prospects.

You could possibly have Poehling for a prospect or a young player that we like better.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Barrie does nothing for the Habs.

You can have Chiarot for picks and/or prospects.

You could possibly have Poehling for a prospect or a young player that we like better.

Barrie does a lot for the Habs. Your dcore can’t move the puck or generate offense to save its life

 

[Archijerej]

Barrie does a lot for the Habs. Your dcore can’t move the puck or generate offense to save its life

Yes, and if our objective right now was to plug immediate holes, he could be a useful piece.

As it stands today, we are a capped-out team that's going nowhere with the current core. The last thing we should be doing is trading our pending UFAs for the Barries of this this world, not to mention adding a prospect on top of that.

 

[The90]

Yes, and if our objective right now was to plug immediate holes, he could be a useful piece.

As it stands today, we are a capped-out team that's going nowhere with the current core. The last thing we should be doing is trading our pending UFAs for the Barries of this this world, not to mention adding a prospect on top of that.

From a cap/ organizational standpoint I get your point. But to say he does nothing for your team isn’t true. He’s go right to PP1 and you’d be trading from a position of strength which is 4/5/6 left shot d men

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

1) I'm fine with the Gibson deal. At the end of the day, it's going to take 1st + Holloway + Koskinen as the likely starting point. Edmonton comes out winners if we can replace Holloway with Broberg. If the price of us winning a cup because he was our starting goalie the whole time and we have him for 5 more years taking him to a reasonable age 33 season is us giving up another 1st it's okay. We have a fairly decent prospect pool already who are close to being NHL ready giving us some leeway for a few years.

I am not confident Gibson waives his NMC to come to Edmonton though / I am quite confident they would be one of the 10 teams on his list.

2) Hell no to the Barrie deal. He has more value than 1 non NHLer

I feel like gibson would waive for anywhere, where he has a legit chance to win

 

[Three On Zero]

Montreal isn't in a position where taking on Barrie is beneficial to the club

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Lmao Barrie does nothing for the habs....

He's a pretty damn good ppqb. We wouldn't have to use a Gustaffson, Niku, Wideman type players for it.

 

[bobholly39]

Why would Oilers trade Barrie though? Isn't he incredibly useful there? As a Habs fan I probably do it.

As for Gibson - I'm a bit 50/50 on how good he actually is. But a lot think he's fantastic. I think goalie need a very, very strong goalie - if they get one, they become legitimate contenders. It's a high price but I think it's worth it for them to go all in on a top goalie.

 

[Gliff]

I would do that deal although I think conditional first is kind of BS. It should be making the WCF or the stanley cup.

Why has Benon not gotten more of a chance in the NHL. I'm looking at his stats and he has 3 good season in the AHL and only 8 NHL games.

 

[Trojans86]

Here is two deals that clean up some final issues for Edmonton and would be counted as push for the playoffs. I think I am good on value in the first deal as I have seen some proposals with less assets for Gibson, but I actually think this is what it would take for them to make the move


Deal one:
It is no secret that the oilers need a goalie and there have been whispers that the Ducks would consider moving Gibson. The ask will be huge and I am willing to pay it as an oiler fan.

To Anaheim;
Holloway
2022-1st Top 2 protected
Conditional 2nd 2023 that turns into a 1st if the Oilers win the cup in 2022 and Gibson plays in 16 games in the playoffs
Benson
Koskinen

To Edmonton:
Gibson

Summary: The Oilers pay the price to get their man. Anaheim comes out with a 1st, a top prospect, a b-prospect whoc might pop and a 2nd that may turn into anotehr 1st. Koskinen is filler for them until next years FA market. He will be a valuable member of the fight for Wright for the team.

To MTL:

Barrie

To Edmonton

Ben Chiarot
Ryan Poehling

Summary: The Oilers have a ready made solution to losing Barrie in Bouchard and can use the extra money saved to sign Puljujarvi next year as we need to make that a priority. Poehling can get a shot on our 4th line Chiarot can round out out bottom pairing with KK to really solidfy that third pair. The Canadians powerplay is horrid and Barrie is a top flight PP QB. Mtl has the depth to have him seeded in the third pairing which better suits his 5 vs 5 value. I think Edmonton might be getting hosed, but I still make this deal.

Final Edmonton roster

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$80,287,801	$669,339	$850,000	$1,212,199

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Left Wing	Center	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $5,500,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 7	McDavid, Connor $12,500,000 C UFA - 5	Puljujärvi, Jesse $1,175,000 RW RFA - 1
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan $5,125,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 8	Draisaitl, Leon $8,500,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 4	Yamamoto, Kailer $1,175,000 RW, C RFA - 1
Foegele, Warren $2,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Ryan, Derek $1,250,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Kassian, Zack $3,200,000 RW UFA - 3
Poehling, Ryan $750,000 C, LW RFA - 2	Shore, Devin $850,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 2	Perlini, Brendan $750,000 RW, LW RFA - 1

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Nurse, Darnell $5,600,000 LD UFA - 1	Chiarot, Ben $3,500,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 1	Gibson, John $6,400,000 G NTC UFA - 6
Keith, Duncan $5,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 2	Ceci, Cody $3,250,000 RD UFA - 4	Smith, Mike $2,200,000 G UFA - 2
Koekkoek, Slater $925,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Bouchard, Evan $863,333 RD RFA - 2

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Sceviour, Colton $750,000 RW UFA - 1	Klefbom, Oscar $4,167,000 LD NTC UFA - 2
Russell, Kris $1,250,000 LD/RD UFA - 1		Archibald, Josh $1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Turris, Kyle $1,650,000 C UFA - 1		Sta

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

How good is holloway? What does he project to?

 

[Double Dion]

My bad and fair point - he'd be 3rd pairing for us and I personally want Samorukov to be given a chance at 3LD instead but he is an NHL quality player still.

Ummmm. He would be your second best defenseman the second his plane touched down. Chiarot is basically Adam Larsson.

 

[Double Dion]

How good is holloway? What does he project to?

Holloway is good. His floor is 3rd line 2 way winger. His ceiling is 2nd line 2 way winger. I'd say he's as close to a lock as you can get to play a good role in the league, but he's never going to be a 1st liner.

 

[Trojans86]

Holloway is good. His floor is 3rd line 2 way winger. His ceiling is 2nd line 2 way winger. I'd say he's as close to a lock as you can get to play a good role in the league, but he's never going to be a 1st liner.

Ducks have a ton of those types. As a Ducks fan I'd pass and rather go after one player with more potential than two lesser pieces.

 

[Geardedandbearded]

Holloway is a highly competitive, fast, physical, two way player with an endless motor. He has better hands and shot than you would expect, especially in comparison to his draft year. I feel he has high hockey iq. He has good vision. His floor is one of the best 3rd liners in the league and his ceiling is a 1c in the mould of o’reilly, Bergeron, koivu. I would project him to be an above average 2c.

for me he is untouchable. It would have to be an absurd deal, like 1 for 1 for byram or Gibson or kyrou.

 

[Double Dion]

Ducks have a ton of those types. As a Ducks fan I'd pass and rather go after one player with more potential than two lesser pieces.

I don't think the Ducks have a ton of those types. They probably don't have a player like Holloway. Think Blake Coleman floor, ROR ceiling. Probably ends up closer to Coleman.

 

[OilersCoffeeArtBeer]

Gotta love some oilers fans. We have been searching for right shot dmen for 10 years.
We finally have 3 good ones. Bouchard, Barrie, Ceci.
Let's trade them.

 

[Double Dion]

Holloway is a highly competitive, fast, physical, two way player with an endless motor. He has better hands and shot then you would expect, especially in comparison to his draft year. I feel he has high hockey iq. He has good vision. His floor is one of the best 3rd liners in the league and his ceiling is a 1c in the mould of o’reilly, Bergeron, koivu. I would project him to be an above average 2c.

He's not necessarily going to be a C at the NHL level. I think it's 50/50 whether he plays C or W. Almost guaranteed to be a W if he stays in Edmonton.