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Proposal: EDM - Trade the big 2

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Zerotonine

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Thos thread has gone comical now to, from McDavid and draisatil aren't worth thev value, to there not even the best in the league. Keep kicking the oilers while there down. Why stop now
 
HugeInTheShire

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I don't get how people here don't realize if you want McDavid the ask will start with your best player/asset and then add from there.
So that means if it's the Rangers, it starts with Fox or Shesterkin and you add from there, if it's Colorado you start with Makar and add. It's really not that hard to understand.

Draisaitl is almost the same thing but I'd assume they'd be okay with not getting your best asset as long as 2 or 3 serious assets are headed to Edmonton and 1 of them is a goalie and the other is a D, like Draisaitl to Philly for Hart + Provorov plus an unprotected 1st

You're not getting either by lumping your 3rd best asset with a few spare parts and draft picks.
 
McSuper

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Lol there are no exceptions for the 2 best players in the league, in their prime.

Rangers would have to include Fox and Sheshterkin, as a start

Minny would have to give up Kaprizov, as a start

If you, or anyone wants Connor McDavid traded, it's going to take a hell of alot more than a few 2nd and 3rd tier assets
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Whats the point of including Fox ? He demanded a trade from the Flames . He then demanded a trade from the Canes . He wants to be in NY . Trade for him and then he demands a trade at a reduced return as it becomes public .
 
McSuper

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Devsguy24 said:
I don't get how people here don't realize if you want McDavid the ask will start with your best player/asset and then add from there.
So that means if it's the Rangers, it starts with Fox or Shesterkin and you add from there, if it's Colorado you start with Makar and add. It's really not that hard to understand.

Draisaitl is almost the same thing but I'd assume they'd be okay with not getting your best asset as long as 2 or 3 serious assets are headed to Edmonton and 1 of them is a goalie and the other is a D, like Draisaitl to Philly for Hart + Provorov plus an unprotected 1st

You're not getting either by lumping your 3rd best asset with a few spare parts and draft picks.
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Fox is the last player the Oilers should ask for . Do a little research .
 
McVespa99

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No thanks from a sens POV. Offer is what I’d expect but you’re forgetting how cheap Melnyk is and with McDavid’s salary being all tied into signing bonuses he’d probably suffer a massive heart attack.
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Your forgetting how much $$$$ having Connor brings to a franchise. Melnyk would love this deal
 

jonlin

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maybe YOU wouldn’t trade this package or any good package for McDavid but I betcha the team would, matter of fact every team in the league probably would? o_O
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A team with 2 Top10 centers doesnt have the need for McDavid. They also dont wanna give up a Top5 winger that is a need for them who has unreal chemistry with their 1C. On top of that a cost-controlled future 1-2C in Newhook, a 2-3D on a long contract + a 1st. Fact is - Colorado would get worse. They are in win-now mode, leading the NHL and you think they wanna completely redo their lineup? There is 0 chance Sakic does this. NONE.
 
Number1RedWingsFan52

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jonlin said:
So you actually think that teams like Canes or Florida would be crippled with thoose trades?

Huberdeau - Draisaitl - Duclair
Verhaeghe - Barkov - Mamin
Vatrano - Reinhart - Tippett
Marchment - Luostarinen - Lomberg

Weegar - Ekblad
Forsling - Gudas
Kierstad - Carlsson


or

Svechnikov - McDavid - Jarvis
Teräväinen - Trocheck - Niederreiter
Lorentz - Staal - Fast
Necas - Kotkaniemi - Stepan

Slavin - DeAngelo
Skjei - Bear
Smith - Cole
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You really think that Florida can add a $8,500,000 Leon Draisaitl and then add a $10,000,000 to $11,000,000 Jonathan Huberdeau the next year. Florida doesn't have that kind of cap. And besides one of Barkov or Huberdeau would need to be moved to afford Draisaitl.
 
madinsomniac

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Man you are moronic if you ever trade a guy like McDavid, and if you do you better get every penny of trade value for his on the ice contribution and his gigantic marketing value... probably a top prospect and several years of #1 picks....
 
Fogelhund

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Man you are moronic if you ever trade a guy like McDavid, and if you do you better get every penny of trade value for his on the ice contribution and his gigantic marketing value... probably a top prospect and several years of #1 picks....
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He only gets traded, if he demands a trade. He will have a NMC after July 1st, so it's damage control from there on, if he demands the move. It seems unlikely, but you never know.
 
madinsomniac

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Fogelhund said:
He only gets traded, if he demands a trade. He will have a NMC after July 1st, so it's damage control from there on, if he demands the move. It seems unlikely, but you never know.
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all true, but here is the thing.... when you are trading a guy of his caliber and you arent financially going bankrupt and have to trade him, you still have a ton of leverage... teams will want him and if you can afford to let him twist in the wind a while, you will get someone to bite on a bigger package. if he wants a trade to a specific team, you can still say no until the compensation is right.... and the other thing is with a NMC he will want to go to a win now team, so they wont be as tight on the picks and prospects...

a generational talent has less leverage in these negotiations than a simple star player, because the demand for them is universal....
 
Fogelhund

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madinsomniac said:
all true, but here is the thing.... when you are trading a guy of his caliber and you arent financially going bankrupt and have to trade him, you still have a ton of leverage... teams will want him and if you can afford to let him twist in the wind a while, you will get someone to bite on a bigger package. if he wants a trade to a specific team, you can still say no until the compensation is right.... and the other thing is with a NMC he will want to go to a win now team, so they wont be as tight on the picks and prospects...

a generational talent has less leverage in these negotiations than a simple star player, because the demand for them is universal....
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It's not a bad premise, but there are challenges. Of the top half of the NHL, very few teams can make this deal... maybe four. The rest either have cap limitations, along with players with NMC/NTC that can veto a trade to Edmonton, or could only move D (and then have no cap to replace what would become an untenable situation with their D). Basically it's Colorado, St. Louis, Columbus and Toronto. Then add the NMC, and you might have one, maybe two options to negotiate... of course, all it takes is two to increase your return. Where it is one, or two teams, the leverage starts to disappear, particularly as no team would trade for him, and make their team net weaker.... While it's an unlikely situation, trading McDavid won't come close to a win for Edmonton, if they are forced to do it.
 
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