Proposal: (EDM) Nail Yakupov for (TOR) Connor Brown

[snipes]

Taking his career bests..... 17 goals, 33 points. Thats a high end 2nd line player or low end 1st line player????

...that was during the lockout shortened season.

Yak has his issues to be clear, he's definitely been underwhelming. But at least be genuine to what you're citing.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

king for yak. what do you think oiler fans?

 

[Territory]

Oilers say no, they are trying to move away from small skilled players with sub par defensive play.

I understand Leafs fans might think highly of him because he had a decent few games with the big club but I'd say that he is more then likely to end up as a career fringe NHL/AHL player. Every team in the league has players like Brown in their system.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Brown is good defensively.

 

[Canada4Gold]

No, not trading Brown unless it's really hard to say no. This was a really easy no

 

[Jet Walters]

king for yak. what do you think oiler fans?

That sounds about right, although trading Yakupov to a team in the Pacific might come back to bite them in the ass. Yak would do well on a team like LA IMO.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

uh, except trading him for a solid prospect in Connor Brown isn't giving him away.

I don't expect Oiler fans to have watched the marlies, at all. But at least educate yourself and read up on a prospect before flapping your lips.

What makes Brown such a solid prospect? I happened to watch a lot of Brown in Erie and he was never anything special especially considering his best year came as an overeager in his 4th season in the OHL. He's been close to a ppg player in the AHL but I could make you a list of players with the exact same career trajectory putting up good junior numbers and then pretty good AHL numbers, teams prospect pools are littered with players like that. When you are drafted in the 5th and 6th round you're basically worth a 5/6 round pick until you actually show you can contribute at the NHL level on a consistent basis.

 

[Canada4Gold]

What makes Brown such a solid prospect? I happened to watch a lot of Brown in Erie and he was never anything special especially considering his best year came as an overeager in his 4th season in the OHL. He's been close to a ppg player in the AHL but I could make you a list of players with the exact same career trajectory putting up good junior numbers and then pretty good AHL numbers, teams prospect pools are littered with players like that. When you are drafted in the 5th and 6th round you're basically worth a 5/6 round pick until you actually show you can contribute at the NHL level on a consistent basis.

Brown wasn't an overager in the OHL. His "overage" year he spent being the AHL's leading rookie scorer.

 

[ScJeff]

...that was during the lockout shortened season.

Yak has his issues to be clear, he's definitely been underwhelming. But at least be genuine to what you're citing.

His career high in points is 33 from his 81 game season.

23 points in 60 games.
33 points in 81 games.
24 points in 63 games.

Outside of his rookie year please let me know which one season is one with an acceptable production for even a low end second line player? Those are okay number for a third liner at best. Im not saying he doesnt have talent. Im not saying the oilers should give him away and he doesntt have value. I just think saying "Hes always performed as a low end 1st line or high end 2nd line player" is very inaccurate.

 

[Hunter368]

Rather have Brown as a Leafs fan.

Easy, keep Brown. Agreed

 

[KingCanadain1976]

That sounds about right, although trading Yakupov to a team in the Pacific might come back to bite them in the ass. Yak would do well on a team like LA IMO.

It would take a year or two before he would be getting the ice time because he would have to commit to the defensive side of the game but i could see a bright future in la

 

[snipes]

His career high in points is 33 from his 81 game season.

23 points in 60 games.
33 points in 81 games.
24 points in 63 games.

Outside of his rookie year please let me know which one season is one with an acceptable production for even a low end second line player? Those are okay number for a third liner at best. Im not saying he doesnt have talent. Im not saying the oilers should give him away and he doesntt have value. I just think saying "Hes always performed as a low end 1st line or high end 2nd line player" is very inaccurate.

My bad, he had 31 that year . You are correct.

 

[Randy Randerson]

What makes Brown such a solid prospect? I happened to watch a lot of Brown in Erie and he was never anything special especially considering his best year came as an overeager in his 4th season in the OHL. He's been close to a ppg player in the AHL but I could make you a list of players with the exact same career trajectory putting up good junior numbers and then pretty good AHL numbers, teams prospect pools are littered with players like that. When you are drafted in the 5th and 6th round you're basically worth a 5/6 round pick until you actually show you can contribute at the NHL level on a consistent basis.

He's succeeded at every level, including a short stint in the NHL, and plays well in all situations. Sure he could still bust, but hasn't shown any signs of it.

And I will thoroughly disagree on his value being similar to when he was drafted - leading the OHL in points (in an overage year, sure, but obviously more valuable than not leading the OHL in points), a very good transition to the AHL (where critics thought he would fail because of skating), and a very good cup of coffee in the NHL increase his stock price. Not trying to argue that he's worth a top 10 pick, but he's worth much more than when he was drafted - and the odds of him panning out are exponentially better from where he is today than where he was on draft day

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

uh, except trading him for a solid prospect in Connor Brown isn't giving him away.

I don't expect Oiler fans to have watched the marlies, at all. But at least educate yourself and read up on a prospect before flapping your lips.

It basically is at this point, so, again, if the Oilers wanted to just want to give him away, they would have already.

Edit: So we're looking at Yak for a 2 inch taller Corey Locke? Yeah, the Oilers don't do that.

 

[Randy Randerson]

It basically is at this point, so, again, if the Oilers wanted to just want to give him away, they would have already.

Edit: So we're looking at Yak for a 2 inch taller Corey Locke? Yeah, the Oilers don't do that.

or a 1" shorter Clarke MacArthur...the premise is that Brown has a better chance of succeeding in a bottom 6 role and still has a chance to be a good top 6 winger, where Yakupov is a lottery ticket. I wouldn't blame Edm for keeping that lottery ticket, but calling Brown a bust is obviously premature, he's played in 2 less NHL games than Locke and has 5 more points already, he's at the apex of his value to date in his career

 

[THall4]

Leafs laugh the Oilers right off the phone.

 

[Leafs87]

I think Brown holds more value at this point and I know it sounds very biased but I truly believe it

 

[Draiskull]

Brown wasn't an overager in the OHL. His "overage" year he spent being the AHL's leading rookie scorer.

Brown and Yakupov were both drafted the same year.
Talk him up as much as you want but Yakupov >>> Brown until Brown puts together a couple of decent NHL seasons.

If nothing else Yak is the expansion draft bait for the Oilers to leave unprotected.

 

[Censored23]

While i do really like Brown, I would really like to see what Babcock could do with Yak. Would probably be more interested in sending either Hyman or Holland or even Gauthier instead.

 

[TheGreat]

Yak has problems, but he's always performed as a low end 1st line/high end 2nd line player. Komarov for Yakupov, and Edmonton adds? Laughable.

Not to hate on on Yakupov but how is

24 points in 63 games ,
33 points in 81 games ,
23 points in 60 games

a low end 1st line or 2nd line player ? His best year (point wise) was his 1st year ( a short year ) 31 points in 48 games , but ever since then he's been on down hill slide , never reaching that peak again.

Sorry i dont see that as low end 1st line player or high end second line player

Add if Komarov is want edm wants for Yak , its not going to happen , He just brings too much to the team , to trade for a risk like Yak,

Brown, i honestly don't know if its fair for Yak But a player like Yak most likely goes for another player need of change or a prospect (not high-end by any means)

 

[Canada4Gold]

Brown and Yakupov were both drafted the same year.
Talk him up as much as you want but Yakupov >>> Brown until Brown puts together a couple of decent NHL seasons.

If nothing else Yak is the expansion draft bait for the Oilers to leave unprotected.

I think you quoted the wrong post. I was just stating a fact that someone else got wrong.

Either that or you saw a Leafs fan and tried to pick a fight. Because everything you typed was completely irrelevant to what I said. Literally didn't say a word about Yakupov in that post.

 

[snipes]

One thing to keep in mind, Yak has been buried on the 3rd line playing with centres like Letestu (a lot of this falls on him to be fair, no one should be gifted top 6 minutes or line mates). A 3rd line role for Yak is absolutely completely misusing his skillset. He's been forced to drive the play and he's not a driver or play maker.

Kid gives full effort on game day but doesn't think the game at an elite level. He's best as a complimentary piece or triggerman using his exceptional release and velocity on his shot. Unfortunately, he's been given very limited opportunities to do so (when he has played with playmaking centres he's looked good, i.e. Roy at the end of the 2014/15 season, McDavid early on last year).

I'd like to see him get an actual shot with a skilled centre where he doesn't have to drive the offence or carry the puck often, rather be a triggerman from in close. Hopefully he gets a chance, if we won't play him with a skilled centre, waive him or trade him for a journeymen.

 

[Kelly]

It basically is at this point, so, again, if the Oilers wanted to just want to give him away, they would have already.

Edit: So we're looking at Yak for a 2 inch taller Corey Locke? Yeah, the Oilers don't do that.

Corey Locke?

Uh ya, thanks for proving my point.

here you go

I know it's just stats, text, and youtube clips. But tune into some Leaf games next year and you'll get a better look at him

I'm not saying the Oilers should do the trade, you guys wasted a 1st OA on Yak, you're obviously better holding on to him hoping he finally breaks out, or trade him for something more proven. But to assume Brown has no value, only similar value to the pick that was used on him is downright ignorant. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so obviously it all depends on how Chiarelli and co. think of Brown. But that logic is just so ridiculous.. Do you guys think the same about players like Aho, Kamenev, Vesey, Kempe, Buchnevich, Point etc? Or using your logic on your own prospects, does that mean you'd trade Ethan Bear for a 5th?

 

[A91]

Yak is a bust and Brown is a exciting prospect. People don't realize they're the same age...
Put Yak with competent offensive linemates and he will be successful. Very hard-working player.

 

[northstarnicky]

Maybe a question for Oilers fans obviously. But last year on Leafs Lunch, O'Dog was commenting on a player drafted in the 1st round a few years ago by the oilers. I think at the end (reluctantly, but pressured by Hayes) he gave his name as Rob Schremp. He had said he was one of those players who really had all the skills to be a very good, high end player but just would not listen to coaches or play an NHL game.

Do Oiler fans see that in young Yakupov? If so, I just wouldn't make any trade for him. Too many young Leafs now, without adding another project that could blow up in the face of the Leafs very early on. Stick with what we have. Coach from there.

 

[McShogun99]

As an Oiler fan I would rather the Oilers keep Yakupov and hope that he gets claimed in the expansion draft. He holds literally no value right now unless he can somehow magically have a career season next year. At the current moment his numbers are trending to be worse then Stefans for the worst 1st OA in the modern era.