thegazelle
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Just a reminder, your team hasnt seen a cup final in 57 years. Matthews leads the Leafs to a disappearing act in the 1st round. Helluva magician.He helped his team lose the finals too... what's your point?
Tell me I did not just see someone refer to Nurse as an "elite player".who wants elite players when you can have cap space instead
It'll be fun to watch. Connor Zary wont be anywhere near this level of fun to watch.This also probably confirms McDavid, assuming he re-signs, gets at least 16M. Bouchard should end up somewhere around 10M.
So roughly 50M between McDavid, Draisaitl, Bouchard, & Nurse. That'll be fun.
you didn'tTell me I did not just see someone refer to Nurse as an "elite player".
I know a bunch of folks are busting your chops on QH/LD being a wash - but if you look at it from trade value and not a straight player comparison I think you have a case. 24 YO Norris Trophy winning d-man on a great contract is pretty damn valuable.That's a no from me, Draisaitl might be the best player in the deal, although I'd argue Norris winning D-men are harder to come by.
I'd argue Hughes-Draisaitl is a wash. So JT Miller and Thatcher Demko for Nurse... , Draisaitl does not move the needle enough in what we would be losing, hell I'd even say no if it was McDavid and Nurse.
Yet pretty much everyone who even had a remote chance of doing it, would be trying to pull it off.It would be pretty tough for teams to clear 15 million in cap space.
I know a bunch of folks are busting your chops on QH/LD being a wash - but if you look at it from trade value and not a straight player comparison I think you have a case. 24 YO Norris Trophy winning d-man on a great contract is pretty damn valuable.
I agree, I would too and it's also great to see elite players stay with the same team throughout their careers. It's great for a franchise and great for their fans as well.Man it’s always great when a player of Draisaitl’s calibre re-signs. $14M is the right neighbourhood but whether you think he’s overpaid marginally or not really doesn’t matter. Edmonton gets to retain at worst a top 5 forward in the league.
I’d be pretty pumped. There’s no guarantee any team in this league will win a Cup. But now they’ve got the guarantee that one of the best players in the league will help them take a swing at it for an additional 8 years. I’d take that any day.
funny coming from a franchise that disappointed every year in the Thornton-Marleau-Pavelski eraIt must suck to have the NHL gift your team with all these top-5 picks and they still can't win a Cup.
2nd in conn smythe voting and a selke winnerTalking about his play as an individual. He wasn't particularly great.
Just a reminder, your team hasnt seen a cup final in 57 years. Matthews leads the Leafs to a disappearing act in the 1st round. Helluva magician.
Sit this one out kid.
You seemingly lost the plot here. The poster was knocking Draisaitl for his finals performance. Selke is entirely regular season - not at all relevant here. Conn Smythe is the entirety of the playoffs, not one round.2nd in conn smythe voting and a selke winner
Thats why we call him Bumkov, loser cant do a thing
I have never heard that one before. Let me get back to you in 12 years with a reply.It must suck to have the NHL gift your team with all these top-5 picks and they still can't win a Cup.
That's a no from me, Draisaitl might be the best player in the deal, although I'd argue Norris winning D-men are harder to come by.
I'd argue Hughes-Draisaitl is a wash. So JT Miller and Thatcher Demko for Nurse... , Draisaitl does not move the needle enough in what we would be losing, hell I'd even say no if it was McDavid and Nurse.
Up front is a slight improvement because you guys did lose Foegelle, Holloway and will probably lose Kane too. But defense is a big downgrade losing Broberg, Ceci and Deharnais. They probably are not top pairing dmen but they are decent depth dmen. Their defense will be tested throughout the season and a big concern would be how to fill a void on D if injury occurs.Our depth is better this year though. At least up front. On the back end it’s probably slightly thinner but there’s still a season to play out and a deadline.
I wouldn’t even do Hughes for Draisaitl straight across. Hughes has proven to be a #1D whereas Draisaitl still has questions around how he could perform away from McDavid and likely doesn’t substantially improve the current Miller/Pettersson duo. Then it’s arguably the worst contract in the league for Miller and Demko?
Arvidsson and skinner are on a completely different planet than foegele and Holloway. We gained two legitimate top 6 forwards and lost two bottom 6ers. The more effective playoff bottom 6ers namely Janmark, Henrique and Brown were all retained. The forward group is way better it’s the best in the league by far.Up front is a slight improvement because you guys did lose Foegelle, Holloway and will probably lose Kane too. But defense is a big downgrade losing Broberg, Ceci and Deharnais. They probably are not top pairing dmen but they are decent depth dmen. Their defense will be tested throughout the season and a big concern would be how to fill a void on D if injury occurs.
Bouchard-Eckholm
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Not too sure about that, especially stecher playing with Nurse on top 4. They would need another top 4 D and another bottom pairing D to get to last years level in terms of defense. Canucks have also improved on offense and will be harder to defend against especially with additions of DeBrusk, Heinen, Sprong, Sherwood while only losing Lindholm. The gritty forwards will certainly test oilers backend especially with little stecher playing on the top 4.
I don't know if I see it this way. I will be far more worried about small speedy players that get less speedy. Power forwards deteriorate due to injury but guys who don't build their game around speed can hang around a long time. Draisaitl is more like a Thornton, Doan, etc stylistically. Most of the GP leaders career among forwards is the power forward type.Draisaitl is a power forward / elite sniper, power forwards usually start declining after 30 whereas smaller skilled players seem to excel in their later years a bit more.
You make a good point that I didn't even think about. Oilers fans keep talking about a rising cap but don't realize the depth guys they want will also want more money because of the salary cap increase.No way they can have quality depth for only 40 mil. How will they sign 18 players for 40 million? Assuming Nurse, Drai, McDavid and Bouchard account for the rest. The rising cap also means depth players want to make more not less. They would not be able to even get a Deharnais type of depth unless they will round out the roster with defensemen like Stilman or Friedman.
When did Myers get himvOh don't get me wrong. He has been a prick lol
Oilers fans certainly overvalue their own players by a lot. Hughes would at least equal the trade value of Drai but Hughes might be worth more due to being younger, lower cap hit and winning a Norris at a young age and having a unique skillset offensively that is rare to see in this league. He is as dynamically offensive as Makar and there are only 2 of them in this leagueThat's a no from me, Draisaitl might be the best player in the deal, although I'd argue Norris winning D-men are harder to come by.
I'd argue Hughes-Draisaitl is a wash. So JT Miller and Thatcher Demko for Nurse... , Draisaitl does not move the needle enough in what we would be losing, hell I'd even say no if it was McDavid and Nurse.
Make a thread for that if you have enough writing contextEdmonton had no,choice, but they will need to ship out nurse and Kane if they want to accommodate the 3 big raises and compete for a cup