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Confirmed Signing with Link: [EDM] F Jeff Skinner signs with the Oilers (1 year, $3M)

It sucks that this signing didn't work out. I mean, the guy has had a lengthy career and has never played a playoff game. It would have been nice if he had been able to have one last ~25 goal season. Now it looks like he may not even be a regular by the time the playoffs come around. He should still get in his first post season game at least.

Can't criticize the Janmark and Brown signings, but it's looking like the team would have been better off with Holloway and McLeod than with Henrique and Skinner.
 
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MOGlLNY said:
Skinner got every chance and more last year with Tage Thompson and Tuch. He’s just not a good offensive player anymore.

His skating is cooked, he commits far too many turnovers and is abysmal defensively which you can’t have with 29 and 97.
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That's an excellent point. RNH has long been a 2 way defensive presense on a scoring line. Skinner can not fill that role. Hyman is the shooter net front clean up on a McDavid line. Skinner can't fit there.

Draisaitl isn't as strong on the back check as McDavid. I never liked the idea of Draisaitl and Skinner on the same line. Draisaitl is an amazing player, but he floats at times, that's a terrible combo with a slowing down one dimensional scoring winger.

The narrative that Skinner is top 6 or bust is kinda bull (I just think he's not that great a player). He finished 4th in scoring playing routinely on the 3rd line in Carolina his last season there. If a shooter can get into scoring position, he can score playing on the 3rd line. Someone criticised the coaching cause he mostly has Henrique as his C. Henrique had a 51 point season last year. He's not some useless 4th line scrub that Skinner was saddled too.

About the only thing I agree with them on is Skinner really shouldn't be playing 4th line with Derek Ryan.
 
DingDongCharlie said:
The narrative that Skinner is top 6 or bust is kinda bull. He finished 4th in scoring playing routinely on the 3rd line in Carolina his last season there. If a shooter can get into scoring position, he can score playing on the 3rd line. Someone criticised the coaching cause he mostly has Henrique as his C. Henrique had a 51 point season last year. He's not some useless 4th line scrub that Skinner was saddled too.
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For much of his time in Carolina, the team's 2nd line had Jordan Staal as the C and was the "defensive checking line". Most teams had that sort of line as a 3rd or 4th line.

Skinner, on the 3rd line, played with guys like Victor Rask, Derek Ryan, Lee Stempniak and even Elias Lindholm, in a very sheltered offensive role. Skinner was getting the most offensive zone starts against the weakest competition multiple years in a row. He was able to be a 1 man show and was more selfish with the puck in that role.

I don't watch EDM enough to know what kind of 3rd line you guys have.
 
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Boom Boom Apathy said:
For much of his time in Carolina, the team's 2nd line had Jordan Staal as the C and was the "defensive checking line". Most teams had that sort of line as a 3rd or 4th line.

Skinner, on the 3rd line, played with guys like Victor Rask, Derek Ryan, Lee Stempniak and even Elias Lindholm, in a very sheltered offensive role. Skinner was getting the most offensive zone starts against the weakest competition multiple years in a row. He was able to be a 1 man show and was more selfish with the puck in that role.

I don't watch EDM enough to know what kind of 3rd line you guys have.
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Our bottom 6 is fairly old, slow but full of piss and vinegar. We could certainly use some added bottom 6 scoring in it. I do like the two way play of our 3rd line Janmark- Henrique - Brown. All 3 are prominent PK guys for us. Janmark for me should be a 4th line staple though. He just doesn't score enough to warrant a top 9 regular spot. 1 goal in 36 games. 4 goals in 71 last year. Ideally Skinner would find a way to be productive as the shooter net front clean up guy on a Skinner - Henrique - Brown 3rd line. Many of us see that as Evander Kane's spot soon as he's back.
 
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DitchMarner said:
It sucks that this signing didn't work out. I mean, the guy has had a lengthy career and has never played a playoff game. It would have been nice if he had been able to have one last ~25 goal season. Now it looks like he may not even be a regular by the time the playoffs come around. He should still get in his first post season game at least.

Can't criticize the Janmark and Brown signings, but it's looking like the team would have been better off with Holloway and McLeod than with Henrique and Skinner.
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I don't feel bad for Skinner. He got massive contracts and was a one-dimensional scorer that never improved the rest of his game.

He's the definition of a player that thrives on a bottom feeder.
 
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DitchMarner said:
It sucks that this signing didn't work out. I mean, the guy has had a lengthy career and has never played a playoff game. It would have been nice if he had been able to have one last ~25 goal season. Now it looks like he may not even be a regular by the time the playoffs come around. He should still get in his first post season game at least.

Can't criticize the Janmark and Brown signings, but it's looking like the team would have been better off with Holloway and McLeod than with Henrique and Skinner.
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Henrique's offence dried up abit quicker than I expected. I'd still take Henrique + Savoie in the system vs Ryan McLeod. I do think we could have kept McLeod and still signed Henrique. Probably should have gone that route as Ryan really shouldn't be a regular at this point but we have no options for 4C which is why Ryan is in the lineup and Skinner sits for the 2nd game in a row.

My feelings have been stated on Jeff Skinner. I don't really have anything to add there. The player besides Skinner who I'd probably not sign would have been Corey Perry. We really should have prioritized signing Holloway instead.

You sign Holloway instead of Perry. Broberg locked up not Jeff Skinner. Probably would have had enough cap to retain McLeod in this situation too.

Holloway 1.4-1.5 (never heard a higher # than 1.5m reported - many thought less)
Broberg 1.8m (reported cost)
McLeod 2.1m

Total 5.3-5.4m

Skinner 3m
Perry 1.15m
J.Brown 1m

Total 5.15m

RNH - McDavid - Hyman
Podkolzin - Draisaitl - Arvidsson
Holloway - Henrique - C. Brown
Janmark - McLeod - Kapanen

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Broberg
Kulak - Emberson

This is/was doable cap wise. We'd still be able to add Kane to the mix at some point. That's better than the current lineup by a good margin. Injecting the youth, speed and offense of Holloway and McLeod into the bottom 6 in place of Skinner/Ryan/Perry completely changes the bottom 6 and team scoring depth. The biggest questions I have with the club is the overall age and whether having no youth is going to hurt at some point.
 
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Matty Sundin said:
He’s gonna be a trade deadline cap dump and keep his no playoffs streak alive is he?
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Doubtful. He has a full NMC. If he's traded he can control where too.

I'd imagine he'd waive for Toronto as they were in the running to sign him. That's provided they'd want him. No guarantee there. It's going to cost an asset to dump his 3m at this point and usually Cup teams don't take cap dump so the team needs to see value. I won't hold my breath. I think he's tradable but it could be costly as we don't control the cards. Skinner does.
 
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Too bad it didn't work with Edmonton but it's an easy contract to offload if needed, and in the worst case scenario, it ends up this year
 
Bouboumaster said:
Too bad it didn't work with Edmonton but it's an easy contract to offload if needed, and in the worst case scenario, it ends up this year
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Full NMC. Signing him vs signing nobody and saving that cap space could be the difference in the Oilers year. Thats the difference between Ivan Provorov and K'Andre Miller or Taylor Hall and Tanner Jeannot. And thats completley ignoring Skinners negative on ice impact.
 
DingDongCharlie said:
Henrique's offence dried up abit quicker than I expected. I'd still take Henrique + Savoie in the system vs Ryan McLeod. I do think we could have kept McLeod and still signed Henrique. Probably should have gone that route as Ryan really shouldn't be a regular at this point but we have no options for 4C which is why Ryan is in the lineup and Skinner sits for the 2nd game in a row.

My feelings have been stated on Jeff Skinner. I don't really have anything to add there. The player besides Skinner who I'd probably not sign would have been Corey Perry. We really should have prioritized signing Holloway instead.

You sign Holloway instead of Perry. Broberg locked up not Jeff Skinner. Probably would have had enough cap to retain McLeod in this situation too.

Holloway 1.4-1.5 (never heard a higher # than 1.5m reported - many thought less)
Broberg 1.8m (reported cost)
McLeod 2.1m

Total 5.3-5.4m

Skinner 3m
Perry 1.15m
J.Brown 1m

Total 5.15m

RNH - McDavid - Hyman
Podkolzin - Draisaitl - Arvidsson
Holloway - Henrique - C. Brown
Janmark - McLeod - Kapanen

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Broberg
Kulak - Emberson

This is/was doable cap wise. We'd still be able to add Kane to the mix at some point. That's better than the current lineup by a good margin. Injecting the youth, speed and offense of Holloway and McLeod into the bottom 6 in place of Skinner/Ryan/Perry completely changes the bottom 6 and team scoring depth. The biggest questions I have with the club is the overall age and whether having no youth is going to hurt at some point.
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You are forgetting KANE
 
Jumptheshark said:
you need to factor his salary into the your roster

Also--you need to use the actual amount Broberg and Hollway signed for. Broberg WAS NEVER going to resign with the oilers. His agent made it clear he never rescinded his trade request
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It is. He's on LTIR but the team hasn't spent that space. He can be activated by waiving someone like Derek Ryan. His cap isn't an issue for us.

Why would I use the Blues offer? It was reported before the offer sheet that Broberg's camp would sign at 1.8m The Oilers stupidly decided to wait. We all know what happened. Even if he wanted out, the situation could have been handled better. Hell, not even, especially if the team knew he wanted out 100%. Multiple teams were willing to do an offer sheet. If the Oilers knew this they should have found a trade for his rights.
 
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DingDongCharlie said:
It is. He's on LTIR but the team hasn't spent that space. He can be activated by waiving someone like Derek Ryan. His cap isn't an issue for us.

Why would I use the Blues offer? It was reported before the offer sheet that Broberg's camp would sign at 1.8m The Oilers stupidly decided to wait. We all know what happened.
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you can not ignore the actual contracts. They have NHL contracts so us it. Kane is not out for the year. Latest projection is he could be back as early feb. Untill the oilers know he is out for the year they can not spent his contract
 
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you can not ignore the actual contracts. They have NHL contracts so us it. Kane is not out for the year. Latest projection is he could be back as early feb. Untill the oilers know he is out for the year they can not spent his contract
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The whole premise was on not doing the Jeff Skinner contract in the opening days of free agency and using that cap for the teams RFA's. Thus the market for them at that time.

Kane is on LTIR. Oilers due to LTIR have over 4.2m in cap...not being used. Kane's full 5.1m can be activated when he's healthy by waiving Derek Ryan. We aren't spending Kane's LTIR...what are you on about exactly? You keep trying to say I haven't accounted for him. He literally is with one roster move. This is well known.
 
DingDongCharlie said:
The whole premise was on not doing the Jeff Skinner contract in the opening days of free agency and using that cap for the teams RFA's. Thus the market for them at that time.

Kane is on LTIR. Oilers due to LTIR have over 4.2m in cap...not being used. Kane's full 5.1m can be activated when he's healthy by waiving Derek Ryan. We aren't spending Kane's LTIR...what are you on about exactly? You keep trying to say I haven't accounted for him. He literally is with one roster move. This is well known.
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To make it work you need to remove Skinner, Arvidsson and Henrique
 
DingDongCharlie said:
The whole premise was on not doing the Jeff Skinner contract in the opening days of free agency and using that cap for the teams RFA's. Thus the market for them at that time.

Kane is on LTIR. Oilers due to LTIR have over 4.2m in cap...not being used. Kane's full 5.1m can be activated when he's healthy by waiving Derek Ryan. We aren't spending Kane's LTIR...what are you on about exactly? You keep trying to say I haven't accounted for him. He literally is with one roster move. This is well known.
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I thought Kane was not on LTIR?
 
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Travis093 said:
I thought Kane was not on LTIR?
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and once he is activated his full contract goes back on the books. that is why both Vegas and TB kept their players on the LTIR till the playoffs

DingDongCharlie said:
The whole premise was on not doing the Jeff Skinner contract in the opening days of free agency and using that cap for the teams RFA's. Thus the market for them at that time.

Kane is on LTIR. Oilers due to LTIR have over 4.2m in cap...not being used. Kane's full 5.1m can be activated when he's healthy by waiving Derek Ryan. We aren't spending Kane's LTIR...what are you on about exactly? You keep trying to say I haven't accounted for him. He literally is with one roster move. This is well known.
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I may not be cap specialist but I believe that once Kane is activated. His full contract goes back on. This is why teams kept players on the LTIR until the playoffs as if they activated them before the playoffs they would be over the cap
 
archangel2 said:
and once he is activated his full contract goes back on the books. that is why both Vegas and TB kept their players on the LTIR till the playoffs


I may not be cap specialist but I believe that once Kane is activated. His full contract goes back on. This is why teams kept players on the LTIR until the playoffs as if they activated them before the playoffs they would be over the cap
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They are under the cap even with Kane's contract, so they are accruing cap space and can activate Kane whenever they want.

However, with his multiple surgeries and extensive rehab, it's possible the Oilers will Mark Stone him and keep him out until the playoffs start. In that case they could spend their accrued cap, currently projected at around 3.5M according to PuckPedia, and add an additional 5.13 over the cap while they keep Kane on LTIR. However, if they do that, then Kane obviously can't be activated before the playoffs.

So Kane technically being on LTIR right now doesn't matter, not sure if it just makes them able to react faster with call-ups in case of injury, or if it's an insurance thing or whatever.
 
archangel2 said:
and once he is activated his full contract goes back on the books. that is why both Vegas and TB kept their players on the LTIR till the playoffs


I may not be cap specialist but I believe that once Kane is activated. His full contract goes back on. This is why teams kept players on the LTIR until the playoffs as if they activated them before the playoffs they would be over the cap
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Yes, the full 5.1 goes back on. He's expected to be healthy before the playoffs. That's why the team hasn't used the space as we will need it for Kane.
 
Jumptheshark said:
To make it work you need to remove Skinner, Arvidsson and Henrique
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To make what work? In what premise stated do we need to remove a combined 10M of cap from the roster?

You've been uniformed on Kane, clearly, The Oilers can and will be fully cap compliant when Kane is activated. I feel at this point you're being intentionally obtuse. Go look at puckpedia or cap wages.
 
DingDongCharlie said:
To make what work? In what premise stated do we need to remove a combined 10M of cap from the roster?

You've been uniformed on Kane, clearly, The Oilers can and will be fully cap compliant when Kane is activated. I feel at this point you're being intentionally obtuse. Go look at puckpedia or cap wages.
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you are using faulty logic sir
 
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