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Confirmed Signing with Link: [EDM] F Jeff Skinner signs with the Oilers (1 year, $3M)

archangel2 said:
you are using faulty logic sir
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Explain it then.

The whole premise was signing the RFAs early vs targeting UFAs. If Broberg wanted out no matter what the 2 remaining $$$ figures is a McLeod 2.1 and Holloway who it was stated by Friedman would sign around 1.2m I pencilled him in at 1.5m The team easily could have signed Holloway and kept McLeod vs signing Skinner and Perry. Kane's never been an issue in either situation. His cap hit it still accounted for be it LTIR or not, since the team hasn't used the LTIR space.

As for Holloway, he stated the Oilers never made an offer until the Blues were coming in to table the offer sheet, in the middle of the off season. That was grossly mismanaged by the Oilers, and I've been critical of this right from the opening of free agency. I also didn't flip flop. I didn't like the Skinner signing as most did the second it happened. Anyways, trying to explain these situations clearly is pointless.
 
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benfranklin said:
Full NMC. Signing him vs signing nobody and saving that cap space could be the difference in the Oilers year. Thats the difference between Ivan Provorov and K'Andre Miller or Taylor Hall and Tanner Jeannot. And thats completley ignoring Skinners negative on ice impact.
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We’ll have enough cap space to get whatever we want that’s available at the TDL regardless.
 
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TheNumber4 said:
All signs pointing to out until March or maybe the entire year.
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Assuming he does come back pre-playoffs, its a concern for what can be added. I guess if its only depth pieces, whatever, but not going to bring in a heavy hitter who makes a lot.
 
archangel2 said:
and once he is activated his full contract goes back on the books. that is why both Vegas and TB kept their players on the LTIR till the playoffs


I may not be cap specialist but I believe that once Kane is activated. His full contract goes back on. This is why teams kept players on the LTIR until the playoffs as if they activated them before the playoffs they would be over the cap
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Hes been on LTIR since the start of the season but Edmonton is still below the cap.

Most teams when they put player on LTIR it's because they will be over the cap

I think why th ett y did this is in accounting the cap.

Every day you used part of the cap. Then deadline space is based on how much space pre deadline you didnt use.

If he was on just IR hed be counted differently. Him on LTIR I think gives then mire deadline space to acquire players

The LTIR money at the end of the years goes into remaining csp space and goes against the 7.5% buffer
DingDongCharlie said:
Explain it then.

The whole premise was signing the RFAs early vs targeting UFAs. If Broberg wanted out no matter what the 2 remaining $$$ figures is a McLeod 2.1 and Holloway who it was stated by Friedman would sign around 1.2m I pencilled him in at 1.5m The team easily could have signed Holloway and kept McLeod vs signing Skinner and Perry. Kane's never been an issue in either situation. His cap hit it still accounted for be it LTIR or not, since the team hasn't used the LTIR space.

As for Holloway, he stated the Oilers never made an offer until the Blues were coming in to table the offer sheet, in the middle of the off season. That was grossly mismanaged by the Oilers, and I've been critical of this right from the opening of free agency. I also didn't flip flop. I didn't like the Skinner signing as most did the second it happened. Anyways, trying to explain these situations clearly is pointless.
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Kane was planned to be on LTIR, you can use this to call up a replacement player or sign a camp PTO

On all RFAs thr filed QOs to keep their rights.


I cant explain why they were not signed say be july 10 after UFA dust settled and trades ocurred.

I think they had around $4M in space ,,before factoring in jsnr being on LTIR

They cou km d gave signed bromberg for $1.7M and Holloway gor $1.3M

An issue they also need to he concerned about is resigning Bouchard this summer, and McDavid for summer 26. You think any increased cap space goes to their signings

They could have matched Holloway, broberg was the big issue.
 
Soooooo many good posts to reference here now that Skinner has been scratched what 5 times in the last 9 games.

With his NMC, they cant trade him, but will he be a healthy scratch in the playoffs continuing his streak? lol
 
benfranklin said:
Need to look at more than just the +/- and point totals. Unless you have amazing O zone time cycling around, this dude is essentially a cone out there. Maybe its not specifically a goal against while he is on the ice, but results in turnovers, no back checking, icings, D zone faceoffs for the next line out, etc etc etc.

21-22 - 16 of his 63 points came on the PP - 25%
22-23 - 29 of 82 points came on the PP - 35%
23-24 - 20 of his 46 points came on the PP - 43%

Who is he replacing on the PP? Hyman? Draisaitl? He works well in front, but not doing the dirty work like Hyman, more being a cone until a rebound pops right to him, then his high end finishing will show up. Obviously not going to replace drais on that one timer spot with him.

This is a bad move for a playoff team. Please come back and quote my post next June.

Maybe Knobs will turn him around, but odds are hes a lost cause at this point.
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+1 me
 
Djp said:
I cant explain why they were not signed say be july 10 after UFA dust settled and trades ocurred.
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Well. that's quite easy. They were playing the game of chicken with their RFAs. If the offer sheets do not happen, the pressure mounts on the RFA player as the training camp approaches. It's commonplace for teams to use this tactic in RFA negotiations. Oilers simply have miscalculated their exposure to offer sheet risk, most likely because they did not think highly of either Holloway or Broberg, Basically, they did not think other teams would bother targeting them, and paid dearly for their mistake.
 
Djp said:
I cant explain why they were not signed say be july 10 after UFA dust settled and trades ocurred.

I think they had around $4M in space ,,before factoring in jsnr being on LTIR

They cou km d gave signed bromberg for $1.7M and Holloway gor $1.3M

An issue they also need to he concerned about is resigning Bouchard this summer, and McDavid for summer 26. You think any increased cap space goes to their signings

They could have matched Holloway, broberg was the big issue.
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Because both of them had already secured the offer sheets by then.

Why would they re-sign for less with the Oilers? Especially when Broberg was still demanding a trade.
 
DingDongCharlie said:
Explain it then.

The whole premise was signing the RFAs early vs targeting UFAs. If Broberg wanted out no matter what the 2 remaining $$$ figures is a McLeod 2.1 and Holloway who it was stated by Friedman would sign around 1.2m I pencilled him in at 1.5m The team easily could have signed Holloway and kept McLeod vs signing Skinner and Perry. Kane's never been an issue in either situation. His cap hit it still accounted for be it LTIR or not, since the team hasn't used the LTIR space.

As for Holloway, he stated the Oilers never made an offer until the Blues were coming in to table the offer sheet, in the middle of the off season. That was grossly mismanaged by the Oilers, and I've been critical of this right from the opening of free agency. I also didn't flip flop. I didn't like the Skinner signing as most did the second it happened. Anyways, trying to explain these situations clearly is pointless.
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You are right, but the Oilers had already made the decision to upgrade on Foegele and McLeod. Henrique was better suited to 3C than McLeod ever was, and both could be upgraded for 2nd line winger duty.

Once they spent $7M collectively on Arvidsson and Skinner, there was no undoing that cap allocation.

The choice then became:
1) Dip into LTIR to keep Holloway - let Broberg go - have a gap at D and no way to fill it at the deadline, vs
2) Dip into LTIR to keep Broberg, let Holloway go and have no cap space at deadline to upgrade anywhere, vs
3) Let both go (replace on the cheap: ultimately Podkolzin & Emberson) and have plenty of cap space ($4.5M), plus LTIR ($5.1M) to make upgrades wherever you see fit.

The obviously chose #3 and it was the right decision at that point.

The assumptions made on the RFAs was an error, no doubt about it. But once the offer sheets came, they made the most logical choice for a contender of their caliber... there was zero chance of missing the playoffs and taking a flyer on young cheap players while banking major coin was a smart move.
 
DingDongCharlie said:
You thought incorrectly then, He's been on LTIR since October 8th
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True, but as others have indicated, the Oilers have barely dipped in.

The put him on LTIR in case they had short term injuries, they can call up an AHL guy and dip in.

The rest of the time, they are ~$950K below the cap (on an annual basis) which accrues to be worth $4.5M at the deadline.

PLUS they can spend that first and then use Kane's LTIR ($5.1) on top to acquire another acquisition (assuming he's not expected back).
 
bucks_oil said:
You are right, but the Oilers had already made the decision to upgrade on Foegele and McLeod. Henrique was better suited to 3C than McLeod ever was, and both could be upgraded for 2nd line winger duty.
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McLeod with 24 points, +6 in Buffalo
Henrique with 14 points +3 in Edmonton
McLeod makes almost $1 less, never mind the speed factor

In retrospect, bold looks like as much a miscalculation as the rest of the summer.
 
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benfranklin said:
Soooooo many good posts to reference here now that Skinner has been scratched what 5 times in the last 9 games.

With his NMC, they cant trade him, but will he be a healthy scratch in the playoffs continuing his streak? lol
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Who cares, the guy makes 3M, thats barely third liner money in todays NHL and its not like jeff skinner will stop the oilers from winning the cup this year
 
Old Boys Club said:
This completely ignores any nuance or context to their ice time, usage, line mates, etc.
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On the contrary, it is a reply to a statement about Henrique being an upgrade in a 3rd line centre role.

Both players sit almost exactly in the middle of the roster in terms of forward ice-time on their respective teams (about 14 1/2 minutes for Henrique and 15 1/2 for McLeod), Henrique plays on a better team, and neither gets prime offensive minutes with stars.

What is the missing nuance?
 
nerevarine said:
Who cares, the guy makes 3M, thats barely third liner money in todays NHL and its not like jeff skinner will stop the oilers from winning the cup this year
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Such a poor attitude to have and not looking at the big picture especially for a team like Edm who desperately needs depth players. That $3m could be the difference in adding Jordan Greenway instead of Brock Boeser.
 
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Satanphonehome said:
On the contrary, it is a reply to a statement about Henrique being an upgrade in a 3rd line centre role.

Both players sit almost exactly in the middle of the roster in terms of forward ice-time on their respective teams (about 14 1/2 minutes for Henrique and 15 1/2 for McLeod), Henrique plays on a better team, and neither gets prime offensive minutes with stars.

What is the missing nuance?
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Missing Nuance is that Oilers had McLeod last season as 3C and felt the need to give up a 1st to acquire Henrique as an upgrade.
Henrique has been playing bottom 6 exclusively and getting no PP time
 
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LTIR said:
Missing Nuance is that Oilers had McLeod last season as 3C and felt the need to give up a 1st to acquire Henrique as an upgrade.
Henrique has been playing bottom 6 exclusively and getting no PP time
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Other than about 5 games when Thompson was out, the bold is true for McLeod as well, and even then he didn’t get PP time.

As for the rest, it’s not nuance, it’s a decision the Oilers made that looks to me like a miscalculation.
 
Satanphonehome said:
McLeod with 24 points, +6 in Buffalo
Henrique with 14 points +3 in Edmonton
McLeod makes almost $1 less, never mind the speed factor

In retrospect, bold looks like as much a miscalculation as the rest of the summer.
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You are right. You probably know the Oilers better than anyone. Oilers could really use McLeods extra offense. 🤔

benfranklin said:
Such a poor attitude to have and not looking at the big picture especially for a team like Edm who desperately needs depth players. That $3m could be the difference in adding Jordan Greenway instead of Brock Boeser.
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Have you checked the Oilers deadline cap situation? Like really checked?

Appears not.
 
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$3M for Jeff “healthy scratch” Skinner and another $3.25 M in deferred money from Connor Brown’s services last year. Brutal. Meanwhile let 2-3 promising young players walk. Horror bad cap management.

Have to say they are still playing pretty well in spite of it though. We’ll see how well the depth holds up in the playoffs
 
bucks_oil said:
Have you checked the Oilers deadline cap situation? Like really checked?

Appears not.
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Yes its brutally managed.

1.9M for James Neal!
"only" $1.1M for Campbell on the hook for more until 2030 lol
$5.125M for E Kane who could still come abck before the playoffs but obv I bet they take teh free money and he plays Game 1 of Round 1.

Every penny is brutally important and $3M of Skinner would be great right now.
 
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