Proposal: EDM/COL

[Patagonia]

Makar is not worth Dri. Not even close.
Makar is a joke defensively atm. Guy is so lost on defensive it's funny.

Drai has always been known as a joke defensively being a negative +/- in 4 of 6 seasons. This includes the massive 2019/20 season being -7.

You'll probably point toward team play is responsible, yet, McDavid also played the same number of years had only 2 negative seasons. So trying to understand, how could Drai plays mostly with McDavid still have more negative seasons? Assume, he was responsible on playing 2C. It would be even worse as NHL teams focus on the top line and he should benefit with easier matchups and should have fewer +/- seasons.

Makar played 2 seasons without a negative full season.

 

[eviohh26]

Drai has always been known as a joke defensively being a negative +/- in 4 of 6 seasons. This includes the massive 2019/20 season being -7.

You'll probably point toward team play is responsible, yet, McDavid also played the same number of years had only 2 negative seasons. So trying to understand, how could Drai plays mostly with McDavid still have more negative seasons? Assume, he was responsible on playing 2C. It would be even worse as NHL teams focus on the top line and he should benefit with easier matchups and should have fewer +/- seasons.

Makar played 2 seasons without a negative full season.

Good thing one is a dman and one isn't

 

[Ararana]

I'm betting Edmonton fans have as much desire to trade Drai as Avs fan have of trading Makar, which is absolutely none.

Franchise guys like this very rarely get traded at their ages. This was never meant to be truly anything more than a pissing match.

 

[joestevens29]

Unless both guys asked for a trade I don't see this ever happening.

 

[Dust]

This is one of those trades that is probably close value wise, but doesn't really make any sense for either team.

 

[Fourier]

Drai has always been known as a joke defensively being a negative +/- in 4 of 6 seasons. This includes the massive 2019/20 season being -7.

You'll probably point toward team play is responsible, yet, McDavid also played the same number of years had only 2 negative seasons. So trying to understand, how could Drai plays mostly with McDavid still have more negative seasons? Assume, he was responsible on playing 2C. It would be even worse as NHL teams focus on the top line and he should benefit with easier matchups and should have fewer +/- seasons.

Makar played 2 seasons without a negative full season.

A lot of his -'s come with the Oilers net empty.

If you look at 5 vs 5 he has been a negative twice. Once in his first year and then in his 4th year. Last year he was +22 5 vs 5. The year before, that 2019/20 season, +7 and this year +8.

Even if you want to look at +/- as a whole, in 2019/2020 he and the team had a month from hell in December when he was -24 for the month. It was an insane month where the Oilers goalies simply could not stop a beachball. Not that Leaon did not struggle, but it was hardly his fault alone. From January 1, 2020 he is +55. The next best forwards over that time are Bergeron and Stone at +39 and O'Reilly at +38. So maybe it's time to put this narrative to bed.

 

[Patagonia]

A lot of his -'s come with the Oilers net empty.

If you look at 5 vs 5 he has been a negative twice. Once in his first year and then in his 4th year. Last year he was +22 5 vs 5. The year before, that 2019/20 season, +7 and this year +8.

Even if you want to look at +/- as a whole, in 2019/2020 he and the team had a month from hell in December when he was -24 for the month. It was an insane month where the Oilers goalies simply could not stop a beachball. Not that Leaon did not struggle, but it was hardly his fault alone. From January 1, 2020 he is +55. The next best forwards over that time are Bergeron and Stone at +39 and O'Reilly at +38. So maybe it's time to put this narrative to bed.

Drai is known to be a very good offensive player. Unfortunately, one dimensional being poor defensively. RNH has the same number of negative seasons playing the defensive role. He's not offered the same opportunities to play regularly with McDavid and bounced between 2LW and 3C.

Makar was partnered with AHL - Graves in his rookie season. 2nd season elevated to the top line and leadership role after EJ was injured for the season. he rarely loses the puck and outstanding skating difficult to catch. Being a DMan never had a negative season and averaged nearly a PPG during the season/playoffs.

I understand the players are different in position and skills, but Makar skilled offensively and good defensively is the superior player.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Drai is known to be a very good offensive player. Unfortunately, one dimensional being poor defensively. RNH has the same number of negative seasons playing the defensive role. He's not offered the same opportunities to play regularly with McDavid and bounced between 2LW and 3C.

Makar was partnered with AHL - Graves in his rookie season. 2nd season elevated to the top line and leadership role after EJ was injured for the season. he rarely loses the puck and outstanding skating difficult to catch. Being a DMan never had a negative season and averaged nearly a PPG during the season/playoffs.

I understand the players are different in position and skills, but Makar skilled offensively and good defensively is the superior player.

You dont even understand how plus minus works.

 

[voxel]

Drai is known to be a very good offensive player. Unfortunately, one dimensional being poor defensively.

Having watched him since juniors... yeah no.

The same could be leveled against Makar.

 

[McHelpus]

Uh? Draisaitl >> Makar. Colorado needs to add alot more than that.

 

[Patagonia]

You dont even understand how plus minus works.

+/- reflects Draisaitl doesn't know defence.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

+/- reflects Draisaitl doesn't know defence.

No.

Getting scored on with an empty net is a minus.

Getting scored on shorthanded is a minus, and unable to get a plus.

5on5 goal differential is much more valuable.

So Draisaitl's +9 this year shows he doesn't know defense?

What about his league leading +/- last year?

 

[McRpro]

+/- reflects Draisaitl doesn't know defence.

And this is what I talked about earlier. Clueless fans that remember his Hart trophy year when he was -7 but ignore last year and his near league leading +29. Typical.

 

[McShogun99]

The best defender in the NHL is less valuable than a guy that’s 2C in Colorado?

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Makar >>>> Q Hughes.

Avs aren’t trading Makar.

Drai, amazing player. Not contesting or refuting any oiler fan that isn’t interested in this deal either. I wouldn’t trade Drai if I were them. He’d be untouchable. Like Makar.

He’d be 1C. Hart, Ross, Linsey, multiple 100 point seasons. Mackinnon has none of those things.

 

[ManofSteel55]

+/- reflects Draisaitl doesn't know defence.

Using +/- in an argument like this reflects your inability to understand how +/- works.

No to Drai for Makar. No to Drai for McKinnon too for that matter.

 

[sportsdynasty]

Roster shake up.

Makar and Kadri for Draisaitl and Barrie.

Draisaitl is the best (or second best) forward in the NHL in his prime signed to a $8.5M contract. I wouldn't trade Draisaitl for both MacKinnon and Makar.

 

[Kaleb81]

Draisaitl is the best (or second best) forward in the NHL in his prime signed to a $8.5M contract. I wouldn't trade Draisaitl for both MacKinnon and Makar.

 

[TheRarestDangles]

Draisaitl is the best (or second best) forward in the NHL in his prime signed to a $8.5M contract. I wouldn't trade Draisaitl for both MacKinnon and Makar.

You seem very clever. I should follow all of your posts from now on.

 

[Fourier]

Drai is known to be a very good offensive player. Unfortunately, one dimensional being poor defensively. RNH has the same number of negative seasons playing the defensive role. He's not offered the same opportunities to play regularly with McDavid and bounced between 2LW and 3C.

Makar was partnered with AHL - Graves in his rookie season. 2nd season elevated to the top line and leadership role after EJ was injured for the season. he rarely loses the puck and outstanding skating difficult to catch. Being a DMan never had a negative season and averaged nearly a PPG during the season/playoffs.

I understand the players are different in position and skills, but Makar skilled offensively and good defensively is the superior player.

Who are these people who "know Drai" is one dimensional. I assume they are the people who don't watch him, buy into the "selective +/-" number argument you are peddling, and who also buy into the "but McDavid"..

So I will say again, since Jan 1, 2020 Draisaitl is +27 5 vs 5 without McDavid on the ice. So please tell us how you +/- narrative holds up in the face of those numbers?

For a little added perspective, between 2019-2020 and now Colorado is +87 5 vs 5 while the Oilers were -16.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Uh? Draisaitl >> Makar. Colorado needs to add alot more than that.

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[McJedi]

He’d be 1C. Hart, Ross, Linsey, multiple 100 point seasons. Mackinnon has none of those things.

I get it. Subjective individual awards and hollow offensive stat accumulation in non playoff seasons means the world to Oil fans. It’s how you exclusively measure NHL success and player value.

Others see hockey in more complete terms. MacKinnon, for all his excellence, made it very clear he felt his 2020-21 season was an abject failure because they lost in round 2 to an NHL team that tied the Avs in most regular season points. Teams 1a and 1b played in round 2 because they didn’t get the very easy all Canadian path to the WCF.

But if it makes you feel better, Drai is an elite player on an excellent contact. I suspect there is a 0% chance he’s ever been seriously discussed in a trade scenario. If he has, your GM should be fired and probably thrown into a tar pit.

ditto Sakic with Makar or Mack.

 

[McShogun99]

I get it. Subjective individual accolades and hollow offensive stat accumulation in non playoff seasons means the world to Oil fans. It’s how you exclusively measure success and player value.

Others see hockey in more complete terms. MacKinnon, for all his excellence, made it very clear he felt his 2020-21 season was an abject failure because they lost in round 2 to an NHL team that tied the Avs in most regular season points. Teams 1a and 1b played in round 2 because they didn’t get the very easy all Canadian path to the WCF.

But if it makes you feel better, Drai is an elite player on an excellent contact. I suspect there is a 0% chance he’s ever been seriously discussed in a trade scenario. If he has, your GM should be fired and probably thrown in a tar pit.

ditto Sakic with Makar or Mack.

So what your saying is that the team that eliminated the Avs then got eliminated by the 4th place team from the inferior Canadian division?

But enough joking around. Neither team trades Draisaitl or Makar and if they did a 1 for 1 is actually pretty fair because both are considered one of the best at their positions.

 

[McJedi]

So what your saying is that the team that eliminated the Avs then got eliminated by the 4th place team from the inferior Canadian division?

But enough joking around. Neither team trades Draisaitl or Makar and if they did a 1 for 1 is actually pretty fair because both are considered one of the best at their positions.

Vegas had to go 7 vs the Wild and six vs the Avs. They took some lumps and got exhausted along the way. MAF folded due to the excessive work load. I loved how the Habs won. Loved it. Was rooting hard for the Habs. But they got walked into that round and the refs deciding the NHL rules no longer existed played right into their strike zone of cross checking and holding. It’s easy and boring to play defense with your stick as a weapon.

Once the NHL told the refs to call a few things in the finals, Tampa walked all over the Habs.

 

[TFHockey]

Draisaitl is the best (or second best) forward in the NHL in his prime signed to a $8.5M contract. I wouldn't trade Draisaitl for both MacKinnon and Makar.

That is, uh, an insane comment.

-Fellow Oilers fan

Vegas had to go 7 vs the Wild and six vs the Avs. They took some lumps and got exhausted along the way. MAF folded due to the excessive work load. I loved how the Habs won. Loved it. Was rooting hard for the Habs. But they got walked into that round and the refs deciding the NHL rules no longer existed played right into their strike zone of cross checking and holding. It’s easy and boring to play defense with your stick as a weapon.

Once the NHL told the refs to call a few things in the finals, Tampa walked all over the Habs.

Just imagine if they had called anything against McDavid in that first round.

Seriously though let's see how the Oilers do this year. This is by far the best forward group they've had in years.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

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Yeah, following a list with kucherov at 17 doesn’t help your argument