GDT: ECSF #4 - 5/23/13 | Boston Bruins @ New York Rangers | 7:00 PM - CNBC, TSN

[Doctyl]

I wouldn't call 50+ pts (inc 1 x 60+) in 3 of the last 4 seasons failure to produce, but I guess we all have our own standards.

Still not seeing this 'love affair' you keep talking about

it really is not worth arguing with the guy who claims brassard is a bad player

 

[KreidertheGlider]

its one pick

That's what I thought. Wasn't sure though. Thanks!

 

[haohmaru]

Yeah against ****** teams.

And the longest win streak they had in that stretch was 3.

I guess Clowe was responsible for creating the schedule? They stepped up when it counted. It doesn't matter who the opponents were as that is not something they can control.

No Staal, either, in that stretch.

 

[mike14]

it really is not worth arguing with the guy who claims brassard is a bad player

I feel you are correct.

Luckily for me, it's time to go to work

 

[Thirty One]

asham has been great in these playoffs. he looks like he actually cares i really do not understand why he was benched

I don't think he should have been benched, either, but second best forward? Adjusted for expectations, maybe.

 

[Kershaw]

so it was between Clowe and Torres for that top 3 line physical winger at the deadline.. would you rather have Torres who can skate but gets suspended at least once a month or it seems that way

I'd rather have Torres at a high 3rd than Clowe at a high 3rd and potentially two 2nd rounders. Easy choice. Sharks certainly are loving the tradeoff thus far.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I guess Clowe was responsible for creating the schedule? They stepped up when it counted. It doesn't matter who the opponents were as that is not something they can control.

No Staal, either, in that stretch.

Wha? Don't even know what this is supposed to mean.

And, frankly, it does matter, even if it's only a little bit. You think Richards puts up the #s he had against teams that don't suck defensively/had bad goaltenders?

 

[haohmaru]

Yes, I play hockey.

Given your commentary, I'm really skeptical about that. But, I digress. It's easier just to overlook the things that you say.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I'd rather have Torres at a high 3rd than Clowe at a high 3rd and potentially two 2nd rounders. Easy choice. Sharks certainly are loving the tradeoff thus far.

Except it was a 5th round pick.

 

[TollefsenFan]

Clowe was continuously getting top 6 minutes with the Sharks and failed to produce. Couture masked him to being a better player puck possession wise, his shooting differential without Couture on the ice is simply awful. He is a product of his linemates, but can't even seem to carry his own weight anymore. I don't see him meshing in the lineup and he is too slow out there to be a factor in my opinion.

The love affair with Clowe is based entirely on toughness and size.

He dosent need to produce if he can bring us depth. We lost feds, dubi, anisimov, prust etc and now we are rebuilding. Players like Boyle, Clowe, Pyatt, Dorsett, Asham etc wont score many goals and put up big numbers. Still they play hard along the bioards and thats what we need. Maybe Kreider and Miller are able to make the roster NeXT year, but that wont help if our bottom pairing sucks. We need 4 strong lines.

We should get rid of Richards and sign an elite forward. Its a gamble, but its worth it.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Given your commentary, I'm really skeptical about that. But, I digress. It's easier just to overlook the things that you say.

It's really irrelevant whether he plays hockey or not.

Doesn't make him any more right or wrong.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

If the season ends tonight, don't let it end in disaster. Play hard, play with pride.

 

[Doctyl]

I don't think he should have been benched, either, but second best forward? Adjusted for expectations, maybe.

what he has provided and coming from a guy that i didnt expect to do anything has been incredible. stepan has been better than him but i expected more from stepan. i guess i meant he was one of the few players who elevated their game when it counts.

 

[haohmaru]

Wha? Don't even know what this is supposed to mean.

And, frankly, it does matter, even if it's only a little bit. You think Richards puts up the #s he had against teams that don't suck defensively/had bad goaltenders?

It means that you can't control who your opponents are. You can only beat them. You can call them **** teams, but you still have to win and a lot of those teams play loose because there's no pressure on them.

Richards has been AWOL this entire season. If he were really playing like a #1 center, this team would've had a much better chance in the regular and post seasons.

 

[Fitzy]

I played hockey with a lot of guys that I wouldn't even trust to mow my lawn without breaking something. So no, it doesn't really matter that much.

 

[Kershaw]

I wouldn't call 50+ pts (inc 1 x 60+) in 3 of the last 4 seasons failure to produce, but I guess we all have our own standards.

Still not seeing this 'love affair' you keep talking about

Failure to produce this season.

Re-signing Clowe is pretty much a classic Glen Sather move. Overpaying players based on what they did in the past and failing to consider their recent play that is deteriorating/declining.

Over the past season and change, that part of his game has rarely shone through and he's been an utter liability at even-strength when not attached at the hip to Logan Couture. Even at his best, he never truly had the puck skills to drive play through the neutral zone or the hockey sense to trigger clean exits out of the defensive end, with superior linemates like Joe Pavelski and Couture routinely expected to mask his deficiencies.

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2...ld-the-montreal-canadiens-acquire-ryane-clowe

A player that doesn't have puck skills to drive plays through neutral zone. Seems like a Ranger to me!

 

[Machinehead]

I played hockey with a lot of guys that I wouldn't even trust to mow my lawn without breaking something. So no, it doesn't really matter that much.

I've played some hockey and I certainly can't mow the lawn without breaking something

 

[haohmaru]

It's really irrelevant whether he plays hockey or not.

Doesn't make him any more right or wrong.

I disagree. If you've been coached, played on teams, played for league trophies, etc... you, without question, understand the game better, the roles of particular players better, defensive schemes better, and on and on and on.

Watching hockey on TV doesn't quite give you the same thing. Ryan Clowe fills a role on any team in the NHL and has a track record of scoring, sticking up for teammates, playing in the tough areas (ie... in front of the net), intimidation, etc....

If someone doesn't see the value in a guy like that then I seriously have to question their knowledge about sport. I think that's valid.

 

[Trou Trou Train]

Win. Please?

 

[Kershaw]

Given your commentary, I'm really skeptical about that. But, I digress. It's easier just to overlook the things that you say.

Even if I didn't play hockey, why should it matter?

Bob McKenzie and Pierre LeBrun, the leading hockey analysts never played or coached professional hockey. Mike Milbury on the other hand was a player you'd want to go out on a war with on the ice as he was described as a heart and soul player for many years with the Bruins. Milbury also coached in the SCFs and GM'd a team before, so I guess we should put more stock into his opinion than LeBrun's and McKenzie's.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I disagree. If you've been coached, played on teams, played for league trophies, etc... you, without question, understand the game better, the roles of particular players better, defensive schemes better, and on and on and on.

Watching hockey on TV doesn't quite give you the same thing. Ryan Clowe fills a role on any team in the NHL and has a track record of scoring, sticking up for teammates, playing in the tough areas (ie... in front of the net), intimidation, etc....

If someone doesn't see the value in a guy like that then I seriously have to question their knowledge about sport. I think that's valid.

I don't play hockey and I realize that. Playing hockey maybe helps you understand the effect of 'intangibles' a little better, but it's easy to realize they do have an effect even if you haven't played the sport.

It's all speculation more than anything. That said, yes, Clowe has a role, and he fills that role admirably when on the ice.

 

[Thirty One]

Win. Please?

I think you messed up the punctuation a bit there.

Win? Please.

 

[Doctyl]

I don't play hockey and I realize that. Playing hockey maybe helps you understand the effect of 'intangibles' a little better, but it's easy to realize they do have an effect even if you haven't played the sport.

It's all speculation more than anything. That said, yes, Clowe has a role, and he fills that role admirably when on the ice.

just have to ask. what is your opinion on jonathan toews?

 

[haohmaru]

Failure to produce this season.

Re-signing Clowe is pretty much a classic Glen Sather move. Overpaying players based on what they did in the past and failing to consider their recent play that is deteriorating/declining.



http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2...ld-the-montreal-canadiens-acquire-ryane-clowe

A player that doesn't have puck skills to drive plays through neutral zone. Seems like a Ranger to me!

We were talking about Clowe as a Ranger, no?

3 G, 5 A in 12 games. 82 game season = 21 G 34A 55 points pro-rated.

Yeah, that's a guy I'd say is doing fairly well and probably worth a look. Small sample size, but pretty consistent with the last four years of his career.

 

[Doctyl]

We were talking about Clowe as a Ranger, no?

3 G, 5 A in 12 games. 82 game season = 21 G 34A 55 points pro-rated.

Yeah, that's a guy I'd say is doing fairly well and probably worth a look. Small sample size, but pretty consistent with the last four years of his career.

but hes 30. everyone knows once you hit 30 you are done