ECQF: (WC1) Boston Bruins @ (M1) Carolina Hurricanes | Series tied 3-3

[SanDogBrewin]

 

[nbwingsfan]

Oh, now you're dropping the far better to do damage control/walk your comment back. Also, yes, being younger is relevant when Aho and Svech are gonna be around for many more years in the league, and they haven't peaked yet. Marchand is part of an aging core from Boston (they already lost their longtime star player Chara), meanwhile, Aho and Svech are part of a young good core and have many more playoff runs ahead of them. Even if we buy the argument that Marchand is FAR better than them, he will have less cup runs than Aho and Svech left. Also, btw, Marchand was outscored by Aho this season in goals and points; so Aho stat wise has that in favor of him being better "today." I'm sure that doesn't matter to you even though you brought up him scoring 100 points in a season from back in 2018-2019; his only 100 point season too with a better Boston team.

Literally nothing about age has relevance to TODAY. As in current teams.

Marchand has paced or reached 100+ pts for about 4 season now, being one of the top producing players in the world over that time. He’s doing this while being being one of the top Pk and deceive wingers in the game.

Svechnikov and Aho are good 70-80pt players.

He’s far better and has been tearing apart the Aho line these playoffs

 

[Bradely]

Hope he is ok. If he repeat the way he turned that net with the head down, could be seriously injured again if he comes back to early

 

[wintersej]

Don't expect the Bruins to be able to pull it off sans McAvoy on the road when the Bruins won't be able to shelter guys like Brown from matchups as well (in addition to the well covered forward matchup stuff).

If the Bruins DO win on Tuesday, the series is over.

 

[Tryamw]

If the Bruins DO win on Tuesday, the series is over.

No argument from me on this.

I think hitting Lindholm broke Svech. He was on the ice flying hitting everyone. Since if you told me he didn't take the ice in game 4 I couldn't argue he was invisible

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Both DeBrusk and Pesce were pushing the pad from different angles. Its probably more DeBrusk, but hard to overturn an on-ice good goal when Pesce's stick was pushing the pad, too.

Yep and pretty much simultaneously. The puck was loose between his legs and he was
crouched like he was trying to hatch an egg...lol. Even if Pesce didn't touch Raanta, DeBrusk can go after the puck and his jab absolutely didn't prevent Raanta from playing his position at all.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Yeah, as your fellow Boston fan said, I'm talking about who is better today. You're referencing a 100 point season from several years ago.

At least you're not saying the gap is huge like NBwingsfan implied with saying Marchand is far better than them. He isn't a player that is far better than Aho and Svech; not today at least. You can only argue that years ago with the 100 point season. That's what I took issue with; him saying Marchand was far better. Not "today."

“Several years ago” because it was the last time before this season we played a full season. Did you see his pace the last two shortened seasons? Hint:higher than Svechnikov and Aho

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Yeah, as your fellow Boston fan said, I'm talking about who is better today. You're referencing a 100 point season from several years ago.

At least you're not saying the gap is huge like NBwingsfan implied with saying Marchand is far better than them. He isn't a player that is far better than Aho and Svech; not today at least. You can only argue that years ago with the 100 point season. That's what I took issue with; him saying Marchand was far better. Not "today."

Marchand is far more impactful "today". Perhaps not "tomorrow".

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

No argument from me on this.

I think hitting Lindholm broke Svech. He was on the ice flying hitting everyone. Since if you told me he didn't take the ice in game 4 I couldn't argue he was invisible

Perhaps McAvoy hunting Svechnikov back in game 3 helped as well.

 

[AD1066]

No argument from me on this.

I think hitting Lindholm broke Svech. He was on the ice flying hitting everyone. Since if you told me he didn't take the ice in game 4 I couldn't argue he was invisible

I think worse than invisible, he had several poor decisions including a few tape-to-tape passes to Bruins players. Also if memory serves he had a 2-on-1 at one point and tried a toe drag that got swept away by the defender. Didn't seem his characteristic self.

 

[wintersej]

No argument from me on this.

I think hitting Lindholm broke Svech. He was on the ice flying hitting everyone. Since if you told me he didn't take the ice in game 4 I couldn't argue he was invisible

Yeah, I think he took it to heart (going by his post game comments). Speaks well of him as a person and I applaud it. I think that while we talk about legal/illegal hits what is missed is that the non POS players don't WANT to f*** up their competitions brains and operate with mutual respect on the ice. He needs to figure out how to operate under controlled physical aggression, though, because right now he has been a totally different player for the worse. I suspect that seeing Lindholm back on the ice in game 5 or 6 (hopefully) will help ease his mind and help him find the place he needs to be at mentally.

 

[YukonCornelius]

Attempting to quantify one over the other is hilarious, I'll only denote his behavior as a Hurricane but he's endeared himself to the fans often spending an hour or more after practice/games hanging out and doing whatever is asked he rides to practice with Jaccob Slavin and his Jaccobs kids every day.... (I don't think anyone can argue Slavin is one of the good guys in the league).

They can both be dirtbags obviously, As evidenced by Marchands NINE suspensions. Also what kind of demented person goes around licking people at the height of the pandemic?

I mean, the lick occurred in 2018, about 2 years before the pandemic even began…

 

[TD Charlie]

No argument from me on this.

I think hitting Lindholm broke Svech. He was on the ice flying hitting everyone. Since if you told me he didn't take the ice in game 4 I couldn't argue he was invisible

I'm not gonna pretend to know what it's like to crush a guy and knock him out, but I can see how it could shake a man's confidence in doing it again.

That being said, I would just GUESS that the motivation and tenacity of most NHL players implementing a more physical game would only be increased after something like this.

It's definitely weird how Svechnikov went from looking borderline unstoppable to not even a shadow, overnight. He's a stud though, I'm sure he finds his game soon

 

[tarheelhockey]

He’s far better and has been tearing apart the Aho line these playoffs

Sort of.

Games 1 + 2 - 0 goals, 1 assist
Games 3 + 4 - 3 goals, 5 assists

The only point he has scored with Aho on the ice was an assist on the 4th goal of Game 4.

It’s hard to say what drove that explosion more — being on home ice to control defensive matchups, getting the Perfection Line back together, or finally getting their power play going. But “tearing apart the Aho line” wasn’t it. They are tied in head-to-head points.

 

[Sigurd]

Sort of.

Games 1 + 2 - 0 goals, 1 assist
Games 3 + 4 - 3 goals, 5 assists

The only point he has scored with Aho on the ice was an assist on the 4th goal of Game 4.

It’s hard to say what drove that explosion more — being on home ice to control defensive matchups, getting the Perfection Line back together, or finally getting their power play going. But “tearing apart the Aho line” wasn’t it. They are tied in head-to-head points.

He'll continue to dig in and assert there is a huge gap between Aho and Marchand "today." It's a losing battle to even bother with him. I thought the discussion was laid to rest with both players being called great, but he resurrected it.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I'm not gonna pretend to know what it's like to crush a guy and knock him out, but I can see how it could shake a man's confidence in doing it again.

That being said, I would just GUESS that the motivation and tenacity of most NHL players implementing a more physical game would only be increased after something like this.

It's definitely weird how Svechnikov went from looking borderline unstoppable to not even a shadow, overnight. He's a stud though, I'm sure he finds his game soon

Legit the whole Canes roster after allowing the SHG in game 3...just haven't looked terribly competent since then

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

More full on constipation face from Roddy. The refs love it.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

More full on constipation face from Roddy. The refs love it.

Cannot think of any NHL coach who begs and cries nearly as often.

 

[Score08]

Cannot think of any NHL coach who begs and cries nearly as often.

Berube says hi!

 

[TheGroceryStick]

The Bruins are such a playoff team... it hurts me to say, just bred for the rigors of the postseason. No matter who's in/out of the lineup, how old or how cold...they're always going to be a tough out.

 

[McGarnagle]

Swayman's given up one or two that he might want back in games 3/4, and Ullmark wasn't bad the first two games (except that Trochek goal that went backhand off his helmet and in, but that was when the game was out of hand already) and certainly wasn't the problem those nights, but it feels like they've just had more swagger in front of Sway. Maybe he's got that Cam Ward/Holtby rookie magic in him.

 

[Ladyfan]

The Bruins are such a playoff team... it hurts me to say, just bred for the rigors of the postseason. No matter who's in/out of the lineup, how old or how cold...they're always going to be a tough out.

I wish I felt that way. I am stressed.

The Bs are the clear underdog in this series. I would feel much better if the Bruins win tomorrow.

 

[nbwingsfan]

He'll continue to dig in and assert there is a huge gap between Aho and Marchand "today." It's a losing battle to even bother with him. I thought the discussion was laid to rest with both players being called great, but he resurrected it.

Both great, one still clearly better by pretty much every single stat, and this has been the case every single season of Ahos career. These playoffs have cemented even more so this far.

No one agrees with you that Aho and Svechnikov are better.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Swayman's given up one or two that he might want back in games 3/4, and Ullmark wasn't bad the first two games (except that Trochek goal that went backhand off his helmet and in, but that was when the game was out of hand already) and certainly wasn't the problem those nights, but it feels like they've just had more swagger in front of Sway. Maybe he's got that Cam Ward/Holtby rookie magic in him.

Or more than likely Boston is just better able to have last change and match ups
at home to go with the emotional lift you get from a packed building motivating
you a bit more.

I expect a G2 like effort from Carolina and having the ability to make last change should enhance that.

I'll be shocked if Carolina puts in the same or close to the same effort from G4.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Sort of.

Games 1 + 2 - 0 goals, 1 assist
Games 3 + 4 - 3 goals, 5 assists

The only point he has scored with Aho on the ice was an assist on the 4th goal of Game 4.

It’s hard to say what drove that explosion more — being on home ice to control defensive matchups, getting the Perfection Line back together, or finally getting their power play going. But “tearing apart the Aho line” wasn’t it. They are tied in head-to-head points.

I meant tearing them apart production wise. He has produced more than them