Post-Game Talk: ECQF GAME 7 - That's All Folks - It's Over - THANK YOU BERGIE

[BAD BOY]

I wouldn't say everyone is "on to Marchy and Pasta" Christ been hearing this about Ovi for 10 plus years.

Look at the Toronto Tampa game 7 as a perfect example. Nick Paul a depth guy comes up big with 2 goals as the top guys almost cancel each other out.

When was the last time a "depth guy" has stepped up for the B's come PO time.

For years it's been Marchand Bergy Pasta Krech maybe add Debrusk.

Game 7 on the road in Carolina. It wasn't Aho or Svechnatwhatever. It was MAX FREAKING DOMI.

Nosek and Foligno were brought in to correct this problem and they failed. Lazar although works hard is so one dimensional.

Smitty Freddy and I will add Coyle were passengers all series long.

Need more from bottom guys and I think that's going to come from youth IMO.

Bingo.. we got a winner

 

[nORRis8]

Well, how many times does Bergy have to say the same thing?

It is Boston or retire

Well, if one was to count in days.....today?
Actually a few hours ago?

 

[Bradely]

Coyle? 2019.

Stanley Cup final....

 

[GoBs]

I hope so

Matt Grzelcyk had dislocated shoulder, needs surgery.

The point was he has had a tough playoff career

 

[PB37]

Coyle? 2019.

Kuraly, same year.

Speaking of Kuraly, he had a good year for himself. 14 goals/30 points/240 hits. Bruins took a huge downgrade to go from him to Foligno but to be fair, Kuraly looked like he had lost his legs his final year here in Boston.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

The D is not okay. Carlo, Gryz, Reilly are too soft. Need to get tougher back on D, and also need a PP QB.
This team didn't have one for so, so long. Then they got Krug and the PP was very good. Now no QB and
PP not so good.

I kind of love how Bruins fans set the bar high. Compare the D to other teams. Teams in the playoffs. I don't see them out matched.
Do you really not see the problem in our inability to score goals?

You can not get everything you want. The cap won't allow it for one. So you need to make choices and priorities. We need high end scoring talent above all else.

 

[GoBs]

I think if Bergeron does return and if they can pick up a top center I believe they will be contenders
Kadri would cost allot against the cap but he would look good between Hall and Pasta
In goal they are in great shape and their defense as well
Sorry to disagree with some on here but Gryz needs to move on he is not a playoff guy

 

[GoBs]

On anther note really looking forward to the lightning/panthers series starting tonight @7:00

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I think if Bergeron does return and if they can pick up a top center I believe they will be contenders
Kadri would cost allot against the cap but he would look good between Hall and Pasta
In goal they are in great shape and their defense as well
Sorry to disagree with some on here but Gryz needs to move on he is not a playoff guy

Definitely should take a run at Kadri.

 

[EvilDead]

What a pile of crap.

BruinsStats finds a way to discount they year they came a win away from a cup in order to fit their narrative.

This is the first year in 5 seasons they failed to win a round in the Stanley Cup playoffs.

Go ask the Leaf fans what "organizational purgatory" really feels like. Going on 19 years without a single playoff series victory.

Or Florida fans who went nearly quarter century between playoff series wins.

An organization can find success in the playoffs and still be in organizational purgatory. Hell, the Red Wings were in it until they eventually bottomed out. And that is where the Bruins are now.

 

[Trashpass]

Definitely should take a run at Kadri.

I wouldn't be the one to shell out big money and term for Kadri. Hate overpaying players for having career years in a contract season. Going to be paid like a 1C instead of the 2C that he is.
Would rather have Trocheck on a cheaper deal.

 

[BruinDust]

An organization can find success in the playoffs and still be in organizational purgatory. Hell, the Red Wings were in it until they eventually bottomed out. And that is where the Bruins are now.

I don't even know what organizational purgatory means. Just another HF Boards-ism that really means nothing.

Relative to the majority of NHL franchises this is one of the better ones of the past half-decade. The Bruins have been in the mix now for so long really we've forgotten what it's like to be low-to-middle of the pack team. Even those couple years they missed in 15 and 16 they missed barely and were consider solid team going into the season.

They are in a strange spot right now. Not a whole lot in the pipeline, a couple young core players in their prime in McAvoy and Pasta, a really good young goaltender, an aging leadership group, etc.

I'm not a big Sweeney guy, I'm not a huge Cassidy guy. Some confused these earlier comments as some sort of support for management and it's not meant to be. And as some pointed out, you could say they underachieved the past 5 years and there is an argument for that, for me it's all relative to other NHL franchises and I believe as time moves on this Bruins era (17-22) will be looked on relatively favorably similar to how those late 1980s through early to mid 1990s (88-94) are. It stings more now because it's fresher and this offseason looks not terribly promising.

But this is the NHL in the 2020s and teams rise and fall at an alarming rate. In the past few seasons we saw a 31st place team on Jan. 1 win a cup that June. We saw a cup finalist become a 32nd place team in the span of 6 months.

Comes down to what the Bruins management do with what they have to work with. Do they make smart effective moves going forward, or dumb-dumb ones. I will say I think to improve this team they will need to make hockey deals and maybe move a few guys out who they like because you have to give to get and that has not been the MO of the current management team. It's been most pick/prospect/young players for established vets (example Lindholm), or the reverse like we saw with the Lucic and Hamilton deals. Not much in-between. I'm not sure they have the ammo to continue to build their team that way and will need to get more creative. It remains to be seen if they can do that but at the same time not all hope is lost by any degree.

 

[Ladyfan]

Definitely should take a run at Kadri.

That is a funny statement!

 

[Ladyfan]

Well, if one was to count in days.....today?
Actually a few hours ago?

Today was not the first time Bergy said it.

"Bergeron has maintained, steadfastly, that he’ll decide his future at season’s end, that out of loyalty and respect “on both sides,” he wouldn’t have interest in signing anywhere other than here, the city where he launched his brilliant NHL career as an 18-year-old rookie in the fall of 2003."

When Patrice Bergeron signed his new, team-friendly $52-million deal – one that will keep him in Boston until the 2021-2022 season – there was one particular thought in his mind. “I want to retire as a Bruin,” Bergeron said on a conference call announcing the deal on Friday. And the Bruins seem ready to make that happen.

I don't even know what organizational purgatory means. Just another HF Boards-ism that really means nothing.

Relative to the majority of NHL franchises this is one of the better ones of the past half-decade. The Bruins have been in the mix now for so long really we've forgotten what it's like to be low-to-middle of the pack team. Even those couple years they missed in 15 and 16 they missed barely and were consider solid team going into the season.

They are in a strange spot right now. Not a whole lot in the pipeline, a couple young core players in their prime in McAvoy and Pasta, a really good young goaltender, an aging leadership group, etc.

I'm not a big Sweeney guy, I'm not a huge Cassidy guy. Some confused these earlier comments as some sort of support for management and it's not meant to be. And as some pointed out, you could say they underachieved the past 5 years and there is an argument for that, for me it's all relative to other NHL franchises and I believe as time moves on this Bruins era (17-22) will be looked on relatively favorably similar to how those late 1980s through early to mid 1990s (88-94) are. It stings more now because it's fresher and this offseason looks not terribly promising.

But this is the NHL in the 2020s and teams rise and fall at an alarming rate. In the past few seasons we saw a 31st place team on Jan. 1 win a cup that June. We saw a cup finalist become a 32nd place team in the span of 6 months.

Comes down to what the Bruins management do with what they have to work with. Do they make smart effective moves going forward, or dumb-dumb ones. I will say I think to improve this team they will need to make hockey deals and maybe move a few guys out who they like because you have to give to get and that has not been the MO of the current management team. It's been most pick/prospect/young players for established vets (example Lindholm), or the reverse like we saw with the Lucic and Hamilton deals. Not much in-between. I'm not sure they have the ammo to continue to build their team that way and will need to get more creative. It remains to be seen if they can do that but at the same time not all hope is lost by any degree.

Very good post (as usual)

 

[KrugAvoy]

Definitely should take a run at Kadri.

Certainly would fit the "play like pricks" motto Cassidy threw out there mid season

 

[JEM28]

Stanley Cup final....

Yup. i saw it. you?

 

[Bradely]

Yup. i saw it. you?

Yep, we saw the same thing. When we get production by top 6 AND bottom 6 it might = to SC appearances! That was the post purpose!

 

[JEM28]

Kuraly, same year.

Speaking of Kuraly, he had a good year for himself. 14 goals/30 points/240 hits. Bruins took a huge downgrade to go from him to Foligno but to be fair, Kuraly looked like he had lost his legs his final year here in Boston.

Agree. Glad the kid rebounded, but yeah, he seemed to have lost it toward the end of his Bs tenure.

Yep, we saw the same thing. When we get production by top 6 AND bottom 6 it might = to SC appearances! That was the post purpose!

Gotcha and so true. When the bottom 6 contributes many things open up

 

[Sheppy]

Our entire bottom 6 forward group is pretty bad, honestly. Wouldn't hate a complete overhaul in that area, honestly.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I wouldn't be the one to shell out big money and term for Kadri. Hate overpaying players for having career years in a contract season. Going to be paid like a 1C instead of the 2C that he is.
Would rather have Trocheck on a cheaper deal.

Trocheck made $6,250,000 this season

Kadri made $4 mil

Not sure how much cheaper he will be.

Anyway, if you don't overpay for a free agent, you'll never sign one. Which is OK. Unfortunately for the Bruins they are in a tough spot at center.

 

[Trashpass]

Trocheck made $6,250,000 this season

Kadri made $4 mil

Not sure how much cheaper he will be.

Anyway, if you don't overpay for a free agent, you'll never sign one. Which is OK. Unfortunately for the Bruins they are in a tough spot at center.

Ah I just seen his cap hit I guess. Ehhh I wouldn't be too comfortable with anything more than that for Trocheck.
I'm expecting Kadri to be over 7M for 5-6 years. I Like his playing style but I wouldn't give him that deal

 

[bp14]

Trocheck made $6,250,000 this season

Kadri made $4 mil

Not sure how much cheaper he will be.

Anyway, if you don't overpay for a free agent, you'll never sign one. Which is OK. Unfortunately for the Bruins they are in a tough spot at center.

The issue with Sweeney isn’t just overpayment of free agents, which I agree is a byproduct of the system. It’s that the players end up complete anchors within 12 months.

 

[bp14]

Our entire bottom 6 forward group is pretty bad, honestly. Wouldn't hate a complete overhaul in that area, honestly.

Ironic since that was the exact mission of last offseason, which led to Foligno, Nosek and Haula.

Kinda funny how the same holes always remain.

 

[EvilDead]

I don't even know what organizational purgatory means. Just another HF Boards-ism that really means nothing.

Relative to the majority of NHL franchises this is one of the better ones of the past half-decade. The Bruins have been in the mix now for so long really we've forgotten what it's like to be low-to-middle of the pack team. Even those couple years they missed in 15 and 16 they missed barely and were consider solid team going into the season.

They are in a strange spot right now. Not a whole lot in the pipeline, a couple young core players in their prime in McAvoy and Pasta, a really good young goaltender, an aging leadership group, etc.

I'm not a big Sweeney guy, I'm not a huge Cassidy guy. Some confused these earlier comments as some sort of support for management and it's not meant to be. And as some pointed out, you could say they underachieved the past 5 years and there is an argument for that, for me it's all relative to other NHL franchises and I believe as time moves on this Bruins era (17-22) will be looked on relatively favorably similar to how those late 1980s through early to mid 1990s (88-94) are. It stings more now because it's fresher and this offseason looks not terribly promising.

But this is the NHL in the 2020s and teams rise and fall at an alarming rate. In the past few seasons we saw a 31st place team on Jan. 1 win a cup that June. We saw a cup finalist become a 32nd place team in the span of 6 months.

Comes down to what the Bruins management do with what they have to work with. Do they make smart effective moves going forward, or dumb-dumb ones. I will say I think to improve this team they will need to make hockey deals and maybe move a few guys out who they like because you have to give to get and that has not been the MO of the current management team. It's been most pick/prospect/young players for established vets (example Lindholm), or the reverse like we saw with the Lucic and Hamilton deals. Not much in-between. I'm not sure they have the ammo to continue to build their team that way and will need to get more creative. It remains to be seen if they can do that but at the same time not all hope is lost by any degree.

I'm not concerned with the past half decade. I'm concerned with the next two decades. And the Bruins have butchered their future. Absolutely butchered their future. The only thing Don Sweeney has been savvy in is the trade market. Other than that, he has been a blah GM who is building a middler that has a foot in each path and not picking one singular direction. This team is rudderless and doesn't want to commit to either direction because their owner is a greedy bastard who would make Scrooge McDuck blush. I am tired of the half measures this team has made and yet that's all this team seems capable of doing. At some point, these organizational missteps are going to bite the Bruins in the ass. I would like them to properly build a core around new blood and a better style of play rather than piecemeal something together, but the path ownership and the front office is going where it's "at least make the first round at all costs" is grating and tiresome. I am tired of seeing the Bruins being effectively the jobbers to the stars of the NHL.

 

[Bradely]

Ranta\ with the shut out. Pretty good imo. Seems Rangers scores less than Boston in the 2 first games.......Carolina is a tough SOB team to play against.