Post-Game Talk: ECQF GAME 7 - That's All Folks - It's Over - THANK YOU BERGIE

[Alicat]

This would not displease me, at the right price. I like Lazar.

He and Blidh were really good together. Physical, grinding, royal pains in the ass with the occasional goal

 

[KrugAvoy]

matt barkowski and wade redden?

kaspars daugavins?

of course they made it to the finals, they still had the same core that got them there two years earlier. But, those wins relied on some insane luck, hockey is often a game of bounces and the team that can apply consistent pressure and capitalize on chances wins the day. So yes, I blame chia because he should have identified what was needed for this club and taken the next step. He just threw darts at the board and thought "well, we did in 2011 soooo"....was enough and it clearly wasn't.

bad depth players and role players, chicago not so much. That ended up being the difference

that team very nearly completely choked to a far inferior team in toronto and only by the absolute sheer will of lucic and bergeron did we end up winning, they then rode that win through the rangers, sparked also by an upcoming krug, pittsburgh was all rask and team defense, but I think they were overrated. Chicago was a really good example of our flaws being highlighted. Flaws Chia then tried to cover up for only for the team to bow out to an inferior team in montreal. Many on here, including myself at the time, and Im an optimist, felt iffy about our defense having redden and bartkowski in the top 6. It was always a hope they'd play to their potential and or ceiling. Chia actually struggled mightily to fill out the D corps for years, even going back to the cup win, Kaberle was the best he could do and while the man put up lots of apples, if that was his best that really says a lot about his worst. Now im getting flash backs of corvo and zanon, how dare you do this to me Dennis

If Daugavins could hit that empty net Bruins very well could of won the Cup

 

[rfournier103]

Not disagreeing one iota, but do you think it's DS/CN that's the problem with finding legit vets or is it who they consult?

Great question.

I say the answer is both. They’ve both been in the game their whole lives, but nobody knows everything. Especially when it comes to scouting and evaluation.

Scouting & Personnel are at fault for not keeping the Bruins stocked with enough talent to realize this team’s potential. BUT in addition to that, Sweeney and Neely are culpable for allowing the Scouting & Personnel Department to continually fail in their jobs. At some point the boss must be held accountable for the failures of his underlings, and if the boss doesn’t replace underperforming subordinates, then the failure becomes his. Which is where we are now.

Getting the centers the Bruins need will be brutally difficult. The way I see it, one will have to be drafted, and one will have to come via free agency. Given the Bruins’ personnel snafus, drafting two top centers is a fantasy, and nobody could afford two top free agent centers. Just to get those two pieces into Bruins uniforms will be a very tall order, and I’m convinced Sweeney and Neely just won’t be able to get that done. Time for a change.

 

[Kate08]

The only way to get out of it is to divest themselves of the folks who created it. Leaving them in charge to fix their mistakes will not fix anything, regardless of what players they move. Those clowns are the reason this team is where it is. They cannot afford leaving them in to try and fix it at this point.

Again....no arguments from me. That's step 1. If they're still in charge, any moves or direction is going to be more of the same.

I mean, the headline is 50% correct, I guess.

 

[RHR37]

The Canes knew stopping that second line would be key to winning the series and they were right.

Haula will be great back on the 3rd line but Hall and Pasta need a legit center who can facilitate moving the puck as well as being able to cover them defensively. IMO, they were both trying too hard and their play suffered from it.

Everyone knows they are setting Pasta up for a one timer, he needs a new more. The same for Marchand. Everyone is on to your deke and curl Marchy.

The team has holes and can be greatly improved but they don’t need to be taken down to the studs and left bare.

I want consistent, balanced lines next season.

I wouldn't say everyone is "on to Marchy and Pasta" Christ been hearing this about Ovi for 10 plus years.

Look at the Toronto Tampa game 7 as a perfect example. Nick Paul a depth guy comes up big with 2 goals as the top guys almost cancel each other out.

When was the last time a "depth guy" has stepped up for the B's come PO time.

For years it's been Marchand Bergy Pasta Krech maybe add Debrusk.

Game 7 on the road in Carolina. It wasn't Aho or Svechnatwhatever. It was MAX FREAKING DOMI.

Nosek and Foligno were brought in to correct this problem and they failed. Lazar although works hard is so one dimensional.

Smitty Freddy and I will add Coyle were passengers all series long.

Need more from bottom guys and I think that's going to come from youth IMO.

 

[JEM28]

When was the last time a "depth guy" has stepped up for the B's come PO time.

Coyle? 2019.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

There is going to be players available due to teams with serious cap issues. But I agree with you that DS is not the guy to fill our holes, since he never filled a 2nd line winger since taking over the GM role.

I would say Hall was the second line winger ,but unfortunately the second line Center left right after he finally found the winger.Lol

 

[KnightofBoston]

Coyle? 2019.

absolutely and it's not a coincidence that was the last cup run we had


my poor wife, god love her, became a bruins fan in 2016 shortly after we met, so she got to see this current rendition of the bruins go from being almost irrelevant to having a resurgence, i really lamented that they didnt win that cup in 2019 because I wanted her to experience what I did in 2011....she said the other night after our game 7 loss and me talking about the uncertain future and window likely being closed; "Yea but they almost won in 2019, that's really awesome and they should be proud of themselves! No one ever talks about the team that lost because there's no trophy, but they basically got as far as the other team did that gets to party"


it was a very heart warming sentiment I'd never really thought of before, and her perspective, aside from being another reason why I married her, actually made me feel a lot better about the bruins overall. There was truth and beauty in her innocent ignorance to how championships work.

 

[mjhfb]

If Daugavins could hit that empty net Bruins very well could of won the Cup

Like this?

 

[whatsbruin]

I hope you are wrong.


Maybe he will wearing the "C"

While I love Brad, don't think he gets the C. He has a lot of baggage.
I would guess McAvoy, or they wait a year or two with Just Alternates, and then give it to McAvoy.
Give him time to grow.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

...and a few more NHL level D men

idk, I think the D is okay. Gryz had injury problems that set him back. Lindholm will be here through camp now and will fit better. Clifton showed he has playoff moxy. Forbert elevated. Carlo needs a little lesson in playing tougher but overall the D is not the problem.

We have to score more goals.

 

[NDiesel]

idk, I think the D is okay. Gryz had injury problems that set him back. Lindholm will be here through camp now and will fit better. Clifton showed he has playoff moxy. Forbert elevated. Carlo needs a little lesson in playing tougher but overall the D is not the problem.

We have to score more goals.

IMO Gryz is a problem because we really need someone who can QB the PP and get points in that spot. He was expected to fill Krugs role and it's clear now that he can't offensively. They have dearly missed having an offensive guy there since Krug departed and I think having a lack of shooting options on the point is really contributing to the poor scoring depth.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

While I love Brad, don't think he gets the C. He has a lot of baggage.
I would guess McAvoy, or they wait a year or two with Just Alternates, and then give it to McAvoy.
Give him time to grow.

Foligno should get the C all day every day.


NOT

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

IMO Gryz is a problem because we really need someone who can QB the PP and get points in that spot. He was expected to fill Krugs role and it's clear now that he can't offensively. They have dearly missed having an offensive guy there since Krug departed and I think having a lack of shooting options on the point is really contributing to the poor scoring depth.

idk I think the PP needs a big body in front and has to find a way to have another sniper, not just Pasta who every team keys on now. We are kind of a one trick pony and easy to defend as a result.

 

[whatsbruin]

I like you but you are ALWAYS so negative.

I don't know what will happen with the Bs .

Clearly there are holes to be filled. Where they find these players
who knows.

If I was as miserable as some of you I wouldn't watch.

I actually enjoyed the season from Jan to the playoffs. I still knew there were missing pieces and that the Bs would not win the cup.

Maybe you should cheer for another sport or another team.

I don't understand how anyone can proclaim x team will be a dynasty, or x team is gonna suck for years.
Players come and go, and sometimes 1 or 2 moves can mean the downfall of a team or push a team into elite status. I think this team can remain competitive with a few moves, give the illusion of being a contender, but not a real contenders.

To be a real contender I'd say they need to

Get a #1 C
Get Bergy back as #2 C
PP QB.
Complete overall 2.0 of the 4th line, that is tough to play against and can score a few, say 30 goals total ish
If Smith was injured give him a pass, otherwise redo entire 3rd. Not sure about Frederic. Give him another full season ?
Get rid of Carlo, Gryz, Reilly. Not saying they aren't NHL players , but they are all too soft to be on 1 team. and
replace with bigger tougher players .

 

[Ladyfan]

While I love Brad, don't think he gets the C. He has a lot of baggage.
I would guess McAvoy, or they wait a year or two with Just Alternates, and then give it to McAvoy.
Give him time to grow.

No way I want Mac to wear the "C" until he is ready. I believe he will wear it in the furure.

I know I am alone here, but I would give it to the player who has been wearing the "A" for a few years, sets up many of the plays, speaks to the stripes, players and coaches. Also, Brad is always one of the first to welcome a new player.

I hope Bergy comes back. If now we will see.

 

[whatsbruin]

idk, I think the D is okay. Gryz had injury problems that set him back. Lindholm will be here through camp now and will fit better. Clifton showed he has playoff moxy. Forbert elevated. Carlo needs a little lesson in playing tougher but overall the D is not the problem.

We have to score more goals.

The D is not okay. Carlo, Gryz, Reilly are too soft. Need to get tougher back on D, and also need a PP QB.
This team didn't have one for so, so long. Then they got Krug and the PP was very good. Now no QB and
PP not so good.

 

[GoBs]

Gryz playoff stats

Career Playoffs

59

5

9

14

-18

will he be around in the fall?

 

[Dr Hook]

The D is not okay. Carlo, Gryz, Reilly are too soft. Need to get tougher back on D, and also need a PP QB.
This team didn't have one for so, so long. Then they got Krug and the PP was very good. Now no QB and
PP not so good.

That is in part what they are paying McAvoy 9.5m per year to do. He’ll get better at it. He’s only 24.

 

[trenton1]

Sweeney's re-signings are usually great and that's because he is very good at evaluating talent in-house and selling the group aesthetic--or perhaps the Bergeron effect may be part of the latter. Everyone knows PB37's team will compete.

The problem I see is that either he or pro scouting or some part of the team seems to not be following all potential UFAs the season before as well as they should be. Was Minny really offering the exact same deal for Nick Foligno? Seems like lunacy. The Wild were already going into a cap issue year in 2022. Did everyone in the front office watch his time in Toronto? If so, why 3.8 million per?

Evaluating a player AFTER a big July 1 UFA signing is too late to be evaluating. Sweeney's lost so many times in the UFA pool that he had to cut deep into this drafts to right the wrongs and stay competitive. Other than reaching for Senyshyn as a rookie GM he wasn't THAT bad on draft days.

Sweeney may have earned a removal (doubt it) but I don't think he deserves an entirely poor reputation. He did some good work. The team has some flaws but is not in dire straits.

 

[Lordstanley]

I know right....Does JJ own any media around these parts...lol

 

[Lordstanley]

Great question.

I say the answer is both. They’ve both been in the game their whole lives, but nobody knows everything. Especially when it comes to scouting and evaluation.

Scouting & Personnel are at fault for not keeping the Bruins stocked with enough talent to realize this team’s potential. BUT in addition to that, Sweeney and Neely are culpable for allowing the Scouting & Personnel Department to continually fail in their jobs. At some point the boss must be held accountable for the failures of his underlings, and if the boss doesn’t replace underperforming subordinates, then the failure becomes his. Which is where we are now.

Getting the centers the Bruins need will be brutally difficult. The way I see it, one will have to be drafted, and one will have to come via free agency. Given the Bruins’ personnel snafus, drafting two top centers is a fantasy, and nobody could afford two top free agent centers. Just to get those two pieces into Bruins uniforms will be a very tall order, and I’m convinced Sweeney and Neely just won’t be able to get that done. Time for a change.

They will be lucky to get 1 top center...via trade or shipping out 1 or 2 pieces...and Bergy leaving , which I think he is gone. The writing is on the wall...just a matter of time before they blow this team up because of their poor mangement for sometime now....it's getting XXXXing old with these JackWagons in charge. I can't blame Cassidy ...he is given this half hearted team ....I actually feel bad for the guy

 

[Ladyfan]

Gryz playoff stats

Career Playoffs

59

5

9

14

-18

will he be around in the fall?

I hope so

Matt Grzelcyk had dislocated shoulder, needs surgery.

 

[nORRis8]

Bergy is NOT going anywhere. Certainly not to the Habs.

Silly talk

Cheevers, Bourque, Espo, Chara etc etc
When the time comes whether it's that players decision or not...a move might be good for a player personally plus the team.

Patrice has earned the right to do what he wants.

 

[Ladyfan]

Cheevers, Bourque, Espo, Chara etc etc
When the time comes whether it's that players decision or not...a move might be good for a player personally plus the team.

Patrice has earned the right to do what he wants.

Well, how many times does Bergy have to say the same thing?

It is Boston or retire