Post-Game Talk: ECQF GAME 7 - IT'S OVER - THIS IS GOING TO HURT FOR A LONG, LONG, LONG TIME

[LouJersey]

You can say that for a majority of the NHL teams spare the 3 who won the cup the past three seasons. I always found the owners are happy with X # or home playoff games meme farcical. If I was a greedy/cheap owner I'd want to win as many playoff games as possible to reap the financial rewards that come along with a championship. Having said that fix the #%#*% ice surface/plant.

well when people keep their jobs, the owner can't be that unhappy. Plus they lost the games in 2020 due to Covid. The Jacobs are "always disappointed" yet the only thing that changes seems to be the coaches.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Why would I care about Detroit ownership? What do they have to do with the Bruins?

No one is asking you to care about Detroit management.

Its simply an example of how the illogical conclusion of Bruins management being content with 4 playoff dates each year is.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

My fear is that we are becoming the Detroit red wings of the early to mid 2010s.

They held onto their core for far too long. They become a middling playoff team in the mid 2010s. They let zetterberg, kronwall, and datsyuk ride off into the sunset and retire with the team instead of moving on from them and getting value for those players when it was clear that despite being a playoff team, they weren’t a cup contender.

Now they’ve had 8+ years of nothing when they could have moved on from those guys and accelerated their rebuild.

Sure, in hindsight.

Can't see the Red Wings fans being thrilled with trading those 3 guys at any time. They could all still play into their late 30's.

 

[UncleRico]

Sure, in hindsight.

Can't see the Red Wings fans being thrilled with trading those 3 guys at any time. They could all still play into their late 30's.

Not hindsight right now. Bruins should look at those Detroit and Avs teams of 10+ years ago and try to not do the same thing. Unfortunately they are following the exact playbook.

 

[Bradely]

At least they made it. Cant say the same for our boys though.

What about 2013 and 2019..... isn't it the same?

 

[UncleRico]

What about 2013 and 2019..... isn't it the same?

I hold nothing against that 2013 bruins team. Chicago was a juggernaut. Probably 90% of people thought they would win.

2019 bruins absolutely should have won, they were a significantly more talented team. Unfortunately the Blues played a rugged style of play that wore down the much softer bruins team.

 

[Trizz617]

What about 2013 and 2019..... isn't it the same?

We're talking about 2023, exclusively. Panthers made it, we didn't.

 

[Bradely]

We're talking about 2023, exclusively. Panthers made it, we didn't.

oh... i see!

 

[HumBucker]

Are you implying that this will go unnoticed by folks in the business? Or you think the management team will give the babies that thought Bruce was so mean a pass?

I think heads are going to roll even more so if Bruce wins. Maybe just maybe the Bruins tell Bergy we are going in a different direction next season.

What I'm saying is that the reasons for winning and losing are much more complex than "blame the coach/players/GM/scouts/league". Everyone wants a scapegoat. It's one of the weakest facets of human psychology. Very few things are so black-and-white.

First of all, who exactly were the players who wanted Cassidy gone? Do we know for a fact who they were and that they did indeed lobby Sweeney for a coaching change? I haven't seen an real evidence of this.

And even if they did, if the GM – who's responsible for hiring and firing coaches – allowed himself to be swayed by that, how can he then turn around and "punish" said players? That's idiotic.

And what if, hypothetically, the players in question were Bergeron, Marchand, Pasta, McAvoy, Carlo, DeBrusk and both goalies? Your solution because Bruce Cassidy went on to win the Cup with another team, is to basically burn down the core of the roster? That seems like a reasonable solution to you? Has that ever been done in the entire history of the NHL? I'm thinking probably not, and I think I know why: it's simplistic nonsense.

If it's as simple as having Coach A rather than Coach B, why didn't the Bruins win the Cup 2019 under Cassidy? What makes you think things would have been better this year? I can imagine a scenario where the Bruins don't fire Cassidy and where the VGK hire Montgomery, and they still go on to win the Cup and the Bruins don't.

The average tenure of an NHL coach is about 4 seasons. Even the very best coaches in this league get fired. This happens all the time. And teams often respond well the first season with a new coach. Both the Bruins and the VGK seem to have benefitted from hiring a new coach. It didn't work out for the Bruins in the playoffs, obviously. But to suggest we'd all be celebrating a Cup win if only we still had coach Cassidy is simplistic nonsense. That ignores a whole universe of other factors that go into winning and losing in the NHL playoffs and in sports in general.

 

[chizzler]

As long as the Jacobs family is content with 4 first round playoff dates nothing will change.

Being as greedy as they are you'd think they'd want to go further, after all the further you go the more gate/concession money. Alas...

What a crap take.

 

[BMC]

Even though you seem to admit this is illogical, you still try to push this stupid theory.

Look at the history of the team since the Jacobs family has owned it. Now look at the history of the Las Vegas Golden Knights since they entered the league- their owner is on record stating their plan was to win the Cup within 6 years. Mission accomplished. The Knights are owned by someone dedicated to winning. The Bruins are owned by a family dedicated to making money.

 

[BMC]

What a crap take.

I'm not letting the players or coaches off the hook by any means. However the tone of an organization is established by ownership. The tone of this ownership is to maximize profit, not to win championships. And don't give me that bull**** of how they spend to the salary cap. Until this season management never went all in to get the players needed to win, they were content to make minor deals & pray they caught lightning in a bottle.

 

[Ddawg]

The ice won't get fixed until the B's get new owners or a new building. As explained by @Fenway the lower bowl needs to be ripped out. They had the rink guru from if I remember correctly Calgary and he said it couldn't be fixed without extensive rebuild. The humidity is the killer.

 

[Ddawg]

Tell us something we don't know

Boston Bruins (Preseason Ranking: 11th)

So, yeah. Thanks for the memories, guys. It'll certainly be a long summer in Boston as the fanbase tries to comprehend how the best regular season in league history turned into a first-round exit. And now, dealing with cap issues and possible retirements is imminent.

 

[UncleRico]

What a crap take.

It’s not wrong. I don’t see them making any major changes. Core still intact, upper managements jobs seem to be safe. Only person that has felt the repercussions was Cassidy and that was due to bergeron and krejci refusing to sign until he was fired.

I have yet to see anything to refute the claim the jacobs are anything less than content with what’s going on.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Look at the history of the team since the Jacobs family has owned it. Now look at the history of the Las Vegas Golden Knights since they entered the league- their owner is on record stating their plan was to win the Cup within 6 years. Mission accomplished. The Knights are owned by someone dedicated to winning. The Bruins are owned by a family dedicated to making money.

So all the owner has to do is plan on winning the Cup and it will happen?

Surprised more owners don't just do that.

How about Terry Pegula, owner of the Buffalo Sabres? His quote after purchasing the team in 2011, "Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence, will be to win a Stanley Cup." How's that worked out so far? They have the longest active playoff drought in the NHL.

 

[UncleRico]

So all the owner has to do is plan on winning the Cup and it will happen?

Surprised more owners don't just do that.

How about Terry Pegula, owner of the Buffalo Sabres? His quote after purchasing the team in 2011, "Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence, will be to win a Stanley Cup." How's that worked out so far? They have the longest active playoff drought in the NHL.

2011 might be the last time we heard Jeremy jacobs speak too.

 

[frankiess]

What I'm saying is that the reasons for winning and losing are much more complex than "blame the coach/players/GM/scouts/league". Everyone wants a scapegoat. It's one of the weakest facets of human psychology. Very few things are so black-and-white.

First of all, who exactly were the players who wanted Cassidy gone? Do we know for a fact who they were and that they did indeed lobby Sweeney for a coaching change? I haven't seen an real evidence of this.

And even if they did, if the GM – who's responsible for hiring and firing coaches – allowed himself to be swayed by that, how can he then turn around and "punish" said players? That's idiotic.

And what if, hypothetically, the players in question were Bergeron, Marchand, Pasta, McAvoy, Carlo, DeBrusk and both goalies? Your solution because Bruce Cassidy went on to win the Cup with another team, is to basically burn down the core of the roster? That seems like a reasonable solution to you? Has that ever been done in the entire history of the NHL? I'm thinking probably not, and I think I know why: it's simplistic nonsense.

If it's as simple as having Coach A rather than Coach B, why didn't the Bruins win the Cup 2019 under Cassidy? What makes you think things would have been better this year? I can imagine a scenario where the Bruins don't fire Cassidy and where the VGK hire Montgomery, and they still go on to win the Cup and the Bruins don't.

The average tenure of an NHL coach is about 4 seasons. Even the very best coaches in this league get fired. This happens all the time. And teams often respond well the first season with a new coach. Both the Bruins and the VGK seem to have benefitted from hiring a new coach. It didn't work out for the Bruins in the playoffs, obviously. But to suggest we'd all be celebrating a Cup win if only we still had coach Cassidy is simplistic nonsense. That ignores a whole universe of other factors that go into winning and losing in the NHL playoffs and in sports in general.

''I haven't seen an real evidence of this.''
It doesn't seem that you're using that fact in your analagy below.
''The Cassidy thing is like seeing your ex having a happy and successful relationship after your breakup. That doesn't necessarily mean you were wrong to end your relationship with them.
It might mean that you were the problem, lol, but it also might mean that that relationship had run its course.''
Nice analagy. But you haven't finished. Now you're dating Montgomery. Do Montgomery, and see where the common denominator leads you.

 

[BMC]

So all the owner has to do is plan on winning the Cup and it will happen?

Surprised more owners don't just do that.

How about Terry Pegula, owner of the Buffalo Sabres? His quote after purchasing the team in 2011, "Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence, will be to win a Stanley Cup." How's that worked out so far? They have the longest active playoff drought in the NHL.

Try to keep up- not only did LV owner state that as his goal, he went out & hired competent hockey people to run his organization. He also didn't hesitate to make changes when the team didn't go in the direction he wanted. With the exception of the Chiarelli years it has been Boston's MO to hire former Bruins players for management & scouting positions (the old boys network) with the Jacobses taking a hands off approach to actually directing the team for the most part. Doing this has resulted in just 1 Cup in the nearly 50 years the Jacobs family has owned the team.

 

[JEM28]

I'm not letting the players or coaches off the hook by any means. However the tone of an organization is established by ownership. The tone of this ownership is to maximize profit, not to win championships. And don't give me that bull**** of how they spend to the salary cap. Until this season management never went all in to get the players needed to win, they were content to make minor deals & pray they caught lightning in a bottle.

Curious how are you measuring "all in"...if they don't deplete themselves of picks, or prospects, they didn't try? I feel like they've typically made appropriate moves and they haven't panned out for one reason or another.

2019 was an example of getting the players needed to win.
2021 acquisition of Taylor Hall was an effort to add what it takes to win.
Adding Lindholm...clear attempt to add what they need to win.

I don't think they make minor deals and pray.

They've made balanced deals that appear to improve the team while maintaining competitive viability in subsequent seasons. as a result, they've remained very competitive. This year, the record setting team seemed destined for a long cup run, so the FO tried to fill holes in in terms of toughness...reasonable approach.

While the efforts haven't yielded a cup, I don't think it's a case of contentness and prayer. In 2019 I think it was flat out failure to execute by key players and their coach. This year the same. Perhaps the FO judgement is flawed and I and many others...including analysts who feel a lot of the moves were solid...are equally off in our judgement, that's possible.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Try to keep up- not only did LV owner state that as his goal, he went out & hired competent hockey people to run his organization. He also didn't hesitate to make changes when the team didn't go in the direction he wanted. With the exception of the Chiarelli years it has been Boston's MO to hire former Bruins players for management & scouting positions (the old boys network) with the Jacobses taking a hands off approach to actually directing the team for the most part. Doing this has resulted in just 1 Cup in the nearly 50 years the Jacobs family has owned the team.

Ah, that's the secret no one else has thought of.

 

[Maine Fan]

As long as the Jacobs family is content with 4 first round playoff dates nothing will change.

Being as greedy as they are you'd think they'd want to go further, after all the further you go the more gate/concession money. Alas...

You are so right, thank you

 

[Dr Quincy]

Of Vegas yes.

After 6 years that style becomes grating and change is needed.

Bruins were absolutely right to move on from him.

Exactly. Some players are competitive and want to be pushed and crave winning.

Some players prefer comfort and to be respected and treated kindly.

If you want to have your team made of the 2nd group it stands to reason that you'd make that decision.

The question is though... why would your want your team to be comprised of the 2nd group?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Not hindsight right now. Bruins should look at those Detroit and Avs teams of 10+ years ago and try to not do the same thing. Unfortunately they are following the exact playbook.

It's been the Bruins playbook for longer than that.

Since Bobby Orr joined the team, the Bruins have really only unloaded veterans to rebuild once. And that was a one year rebuild (1997).

 

[UncleRico]

Ah, that's the secret no one else has thought of.

Unlike the bruins, vegas had the benefit never plying before. Therefore they were allowed to hire guys that had never been in the organization before.

It's been the Bruins playbook for longer than that.

Since Bobby Orr joined the team, the Bruins have really only unloaded veterans to rebuild once. And that was a one year rebuild (1997).

As much as people don’t want to call 2015 a rebuild, it was. Just a quick turnaround so it didn’t feel like a terrible process