Eastside Hockey Manager - Part X Patch 1.5 Edition! (Open Beta)

[GKJ]

Aren't Olympics best on best in EHM ?!

They just didn't load in this DB. The World Cup just did though for 2025

 

[archibalduk]

Oh yeah, I do have that one.

One problem I've had on my long-term save, apart from Swedish and KHL playoffs not loading, is that I'm running Dinamo Riga, trying to build up the Latvian system and they don't have a pro affiliate, and doesn't appear the assistant can fix that. I'm not as concerned about it so much because I want to start a new save (because there's no best-on-best international tourneys either) with some custom mods.

You could give it a go but do make a backup of your saved game. The Editor does various table re-ordering, etc which is necessary for databases but can mess up the saved game because there's a load of additional tables in the saved game which the Editor cannot process (I don't know the data structure), so it results in primary keys/IDs becoming mismatched. A lot of the table re-ordering is disabled in the Editor when editing saved games in order to mitigate it, but editing things such a club's current league will cause issues because the saved game-specific tables would need to be updated too. You *might* get away with just an affiliation change but it might not kick in (or crash) until the commencement of the following season. So you might want to vacation sim through a year or so using a spare copy of your edited saved game.

 

[Treb]

They just didn't load in this DB. The World Cup just did though for 2025

Which DB are you using?

In my save with ECK's DB:
World Championship in 2021,2022,2024,2025,2026 (Don't know why none in 2023)
Olympics in 2022, 2026
World Cup in 2025

 

[GKJ]

Which DB are you using?

In my save with ECK's DB:
World Championship in 2021,2022,2024,2025,2026 (Don't know why none in 2023)
Olympics in 2022, 2026
World Cup in 2025

It is one of ECK's but it's a few years old, I think it's from 2018. It's not recent. At that time the NHL had not been planning to go to the Olympics. I just took a break for a while from it because I'm kind of waiting for a new DB with Seattle, but I fired it back up recently and just now got to 2025.

 

[NathanB]

Sorry, another question. But what has happened to player wages in european teams in the latest DB releases? They seem extremely low in most countries, some SHL teams where out of 22 players about 16 or so have a wage of 20k for example.

I know from the look at it some artificial limits have been applied to most leagues, is this to counter the actual game being worse with finance modelling in 1.5? e.g if i dont put any of these limits and let the game decide most players in the Austrian league have a wage of 8k

seems quite bad to me

Ok im gonna guess its a game issue since ive used quite a few db's and the historical ones etc and they all seem to have awful wages for players in all leagues

 

[GKJ]

You could give it a go but do make a backup of your saved game. The Editor does various table re-ordering, etc which is necessary for databases but can mess up the saved game because there's a load of additional tables in the saved game which the Editor cannot process (I don't know the data structure), so it results in primary keys/IDs becoming mismatched. A lot of the table re-ordering is disabled in the Editor when editing saved games in order to mitigate it, but editing things such a club's current league will cause issues because the saved game-specific tables would need to be updated too. You *might* get away with just an affiliation change but it might not kick in (or crash) until the commencement of the following season. So you might want to vacation sim through a year or so using a spare copy of your edited saved game.

Yeah, that's what I did. What i really want to work towards is one of these databases with some custom modifications when the time comes (expanded international, KHL, and a few other things).

 

[filip85]

Sorry, another question. But what has happened to player wages in european teams in the latest DB releases? They seem extremely low in most countries, some SHL teams where out of 22 players about 16 or so have a wage of 20k for example.

I know from the look at it some artificial limits have been applied to most leagues, is this to counter the actual game being worse with finance modelling in 1.5? e.g if i dont put any of these limits and let the game decide most players in the Austrian league have a wage of 8k

seems quite bad to me

Ok im gonna guess its a game issue since ive used quite a few db's and the historical ones etc and they all seem to have awful wages for players in all leagues

Hmm...that was problem few DB's ago, but in latest one for 1.4 version that was fixed.

 

[NathanB]

Definitely a 1.5 issue rather than db, ive been messing around with it a bit. as an example the following pictures are using the historical 2015 db that comes with the game. The first picture is using 1.5

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And this one is after reverting back to 1.4.1
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Clear differences in how it is allocating wages, this is on an unedited db, it seems worse on ones that ive been editing

 

[filip85]

Definitely a 1.5 issue rather than db, ive been messing around with it a bit. as an example the following pictures are using the historical 2015 db that comes with the game. The first picture is using 1.5

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And this one is after reverting back to 1.4.1
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Clear differences in how it is allocating wages, this is on an unedited db, it seems worse on ones that ive been editing

Yes you are right. I just started save to check it and salaries seems to be little lower than RL, plus disparities between seems off. In Liiga there are two players on the team (Ilves) that earns 117,000 per season and next most paied is player with 32,000. It should be way more balanced. In Austrian league in budget heavy-weights such as KAC or RBS all players are earning 32.000, that's clearly bug.

I didn't check other leagues...

 

[francis246]

Which DB are you using?

In my save with ECK's DB:
World Championship in 2021,2022,2024,2025,2026 (Don't know why none in 2023)
Olympics in 2022, 2026
World Cup in 2025

it still runs in 2023, however the schedule doesn’t play a bronze medal match so it doesn’t record the gold and silver medal winner

 

[filip85]

Yes you are right. I just started save to check it and salaries seems to be little lower than RL, plus disparities between seems off. In Liiga there are two players on the team (Ilves) that earns 117,000 per season and next most paied is player with 32,000. It should be way more balanced. In Austrian league in budget heavy-weights such as KAC or RBS all players are earning 32.000, that's clearly bug.

I didn't check other leagues...

Now I did, something is wrong with salaries...

 

[NathanB]

Yep, definitely. Ive been looking at it all today as well. If you remove the artificial limits in the transfer rules that seem to have been placed on most euro leagues in the pivot database( why have they been added by the way?) its even worse. the Austrian League has most teams paying around 10k a year to players. If you attempt to sign free agents the wages are the same, very low. Although trying it in Sweden the result was slightly better but still somehow waaaaaay worse than it was in 1.4.1.

If you keep the artificial limits then it seems in most leagues out of say 22 players around 17 will be at the minimum wage set with the remainder at the maximum limit.

Can only assume it was one of the below fixes in the 1.5 patch that has messed this up

• Adjustments to player wage request levels
  
• Improved financial modelling for teams playing in a league in a country other than their domestic nation

 

[xECK29x]

Yep, definitely. Ive been looking at it all today as well. If you remove the artificial limits in the transfer rules that seem to have been placed on most euro leagues in the pivot database( why have they been added by the way?) its even worse. the Austrian League has most teams paying around 10k a year to players. If you attempt to sign free agents the wages are the same, very low. Although trying it in Sweden the result was slightly better but still somehow waaaaaay worse than it was in 1.4.1.

If you keep the artificial limits then it seems in most leagues out of say 22 players around 17 will be at the minimum wage set with the remainder at the maximum limit.

Can only assume it was one of the below fixes in the 1.5 patch that has messed this up

• Adjustments to player wage request levels
  
• Improved financial modelling for teams playing in a league in a country other than their domestic nation

Please upload a save and share those screen shots from both 1.4.1 and 1.5 here: Eastside Hockey Manager Bugs Forum

Riz has already fixed some things reported there in the next beta, so please report and upload saves. I'll make sure he sees this one as I spent way too much time on European salary limits months ago. We will NEVER be able to make this accurate as the game only really gives us control over salaries entered into the DB, the financial models take over after the first season.

 

[xECK29x]

Just an update on v6 development so far (which is going quite well, it's actually already playable for 2021-22 - though I'd only recommend using fantasy draft for the NHL).

I'm spending a lot of time cleaning up and improving club records (as 1.5 makes sure all records are properly calculated from them when the game starts up). Just an example of some of the detail I'm adding to some teams with very long (and fascinating) histories. I've done some Wikipedia deep dives over the last few days and I would love to do a 90s era DB with the full Soviet leagues as playable.

Here is an example of some of the records being calculated on league start, I do not have these entered into the DB (and never will have to again as long as the histories are accurate!)

Also one of the big additions (which I've been waiting for) in 1.5 is the embedding of historical club names into the DB, so I've been adding these as I go:

 

[filip85]

Please upload a save and share those screen shots from both 1.4.1 and 1.5 here: Eastside Hockey Manager Bugs Forum

Riz has already fixed some things reported there in the next beta, so please report and upload saves. I'll make sure he sees this one as I spent way too much time on European salary limits months ago. We will NEVER be able to make this accurate as the game only really gives us control over salaries entered into the DB, the financial models take over after the first season.

Actually it's not that salaries are that wrong, they are just dispersed wrong. For example in CSKA players like Dahlbeck and Leipsic are earning 78.000 per season. That could be salary for 4th liners/juniors, or those on two-way (KHL-VHL) contract. In your last 1.4 DB salaries were exactly as they should be, both in terms of money and salary prevalence.

 

[filip85]

Just an update on v6 development so far (which is going quite well, it's actually already playable for 2021-22 - though I'd only recommend using fantasy draft for the NHL).

I'm spending a lot of time cleaning up and improving club records (as 1.5 makes sure all records are properly calculated from them when the game starts up). Just an example of some of the detail I'm adding to some teams with very long (and fascinating) histories. I've done some Wikipedia deep dives over the last few days and I would love to do a 90s era DB with the full Soviet leagues as playable.

Here is an example of some of the records being calculated on league start, I do not have these entered into the DB (and never will have to again as long as the histories are accurate!)

Also one of the big additions (which I've been waiting for) in 1.5 is the embedding of historical club names into the DB, so I've been adding these as I go:

Is 1.5 version allows you to put all time scorers for clubs despite those names are not in the DB ?

 

[xECK29x]

Actually it's not that salaries are that wrong, they are just dispersed wrong. For example in CSKA players like Dahlbeck and Leipsic are earning 78.000 per season. That could be salary for 4th liners/juniors, or those on two-way (KHL-VHL) contract. In your last 1.4 DB salaries were exactly as they should be, both in terms of money and salary prevalence.

I've spent so much time tweaking the spreads there (Competitions -> Financial Info -> Select League or Nation and play with 'Player Wage Spread Factor'), all I'm going to say is crack open the editor and try playing with the values and if you get better results I'm happy to add them and give you (or anyone) credit.

 

[xECK29x]

Is 1.5 version allows you to put all time scorers for clubs despite those names are not in the DB ?

Yes it's a static text field now, so we can set all those, if there is an attached UID it will keep that also.

Halak is the only one clickable in the below list.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

it still runs in 2023, however the schedule doesn’t play a bronze medal match so it doesn’t record the gold and silver medal winner

I've found sometimes tournments don't trigger the bronze games when using specific days of the week, versus just using -1. I know for ultra realism this may be an issue, but I've fixed a few non-triggered issues from switching that.

 

[NathanB]

I've spent so much time tweaking the spreads there (Competitions -> Financial Info -> Select League or Nation and play with 'Player Wage Spread Factor'), all I'm going to say is crack open the editor and try playing with the values and if you get better results I'm happy to add them and give you (or anyone) credit.

Hope you haven't taken it as an attack on your work, the issue described by me and pukovnik are definitely not linked to your dB, it's a game issue, nothing you or anyone else who tinkers with the editor can do about that.

I'll look to make a detailed post in the bugs forum tonight or tomorrow

 

[xECK29x]

Hope you haven't taken it as an attack on your work, the issue described by me and pukovnik are definitely not linked to your dB, it's a game issue, nothing you or anyone else who tinkers with the editor can do about that.

I'll look to make a detailed post in the bugs forum tonight or tomorrow

Puk has been one of my loyal fans for a while. I know he means nothing by it, no offense taken, I know the financials are frustrating.

 

[BKarchitect]

@xECK29x - amazing levels of detail with those records club histories!

 

[McCaber25]

@xECK29x I cant seem to get your latest database to pull in the seattle franchise. I copied the expansion files into the main steam workshop folder but it still doesnt give me an option to use seattle.

What am I missing?

 

[McCaber25]

@xECK29x I cant seem to get your latest database to pull in the seattle franchise. I copied the expansion files into the main steam workshop folder but it still doesnt give me an option to use seattle.

What am I missing?

Nm i got it

 

[filip85]

Players like Fiala, MacKinnon winning Calder is bug due to switch to 1.5 version ?!