Salary Cap: Dylan McIlrath

[chosen]

I promise I will work on it.

It is only when we work together like this that we can achieve true harmony.

The fate of Mcilrath is secondary in the grand theme.

 

[Miamipuck]

It is only when we work together like this that we can achieve true harmony.

The fate of Mcilrath is secondary in the grand theme.

I can dig a good sense of humor!

 

[Hunter Gathers]

At this point, I almost hope that McIlrath ends Tarasenko's career and then never plays another game just for the LULZ.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

He'll play if someone gets injuried (maybe) idk they did call up Connor Allen last year too so who knows but you don't have your first fight against Mcgratten and not make a statement win or lose.

 

[Zil]

At this point, I almost hope that McIlrath ends Tarasenko's career and then never plays another game just for the LULZ.

I hope he plays well enough to push Klein out of his spot so we can dump his $2.9 million cap hit, but that's just me.

 

[haveandare]

I hope he plays well enough to push Klein out of his spot so we can dump his $2.9 million cap hit, but that's just me.

Yeah that would be pretty great.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I hope he plays well enough to push Klein out of his spot so we can dump his $2.9 million cap hit, but that's just me.

Klein is fine.

I'd like like to see Tarasenko go away so people can stop whining over passing him up.

 

[Zil]

Klein is fine.

I'd like like to see Tarasenko go away so people can stop whining over passing him up.

McIlrath establishing himself as a quality player would probably do a better job of that. Also, Klein sucks and is paid way too much for third pairing minutes.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

McIlrath establishing himself as a quality player would probably do a better job of that. Also, Klein sucks and is paid way too much for third pairing minutes.

Klein doesn't suck at all.

 

[slipknottin]

Hartford, to develop more...where he belongs right now.

Says the guy who has never seen him play outside of 2 games. Lmao. You're hilarious

 

[Cassano]

McIlrath establishing himself as a quality player would probably do a better job of that. Also, Klein sucks and is paid way too much for third pairing minutes.

Agreed. If he can't surpass klein in the near future there isn't much hope for the kid

 

[Zil]

Klein doesn't suck at all.

He does, but you hate possession stats and no amount of explanation will change your mind so I'll leave it at that.

 

[haveandare]

He does, but you hate possession stats and no amount of explanation will change your mind so I'll leave it at that.

He doesn't suck. He's a fine third pairing guy. It's just undoubtedly better to have a drafted kid on his ELC in that position than it is to have a vet near 3 million if they're both capable of the job.

 

[Zil]

He doesn't suck. He's a fine third pairing guy. It's just undoubtedly better to have a drafted kid on his ELC in that position than it is to have a vet near 3 million if they're both capable of the job.

His possession stats basically have the effect of turning the opposition into the Los Angeles Kings in terms of zone time. That's pretty awful, especially considering that he doesn't play anything close to top pair matchups.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

His possession stats basically have the effect of turning the opposition into the Los Angeles Kings in terms of zone time. That's pretty awful, especially considering that he doesn't play anything close to top pair matchups.

We are in for a rude awakening when Boyle can't handle the minutes and Klein can't either. We will wonder what went wrong.

What went wrong was giving Dan Boyle the 4.5 Stralman wanted at only 3 extra years, because of power play numbers on a stacked offensive Sharks team.

Even worse is, our top 3 forward lines will wear out quicker because the 4th line is going to be useless other than Moore, and that will create more pressure on our defense.

How we couldn't sign a single useful 4th line winger is astonishing. 3 years to Glass. Mindboggling.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

He does, but you hate possession stats and no amount of explanation will change your mind so I'll leave it at that.

This is one of the worst memes on HFBoards. The "Klein sucks" meme is just so bad and wrong. It makes us look so dumb.

 

[Crazed Beaver]

McIlrath establishing himself as a quality player would probably do a better job of that. Also, Klein sucks and is paid way too much for third pairing minutes.

It's obvious you're clueless.

 

[Inferno]

wasnt klein one of our best possession stat guys in the playoffs?

 

[SA16]

His possession stats basically have the effect of turning the opposition into the Los Angeles Kings in terms of zone time. That's pretty awful, especially considering that he doesn't play anything close to top pair matchups.

You don't seem to understand that possession is not one all encompassing stat. It's not even close to the level of something like wOBA in baseball. It's a good tool to use. It gives you some of the information. It's a better proxy for winning percentage than anything else we have publicly available. It doesn't give you ALL the information. It is entirely possible for one player to have great possession numbers but at the same time to be absolutely clueless in his own end and allow more scoring opportunities because of that. It's also possible that another player doesn't handle the puck so well and is constantly hemmed in his own zone but he's excellent at getting in the lanes, blocking shots, and preventing quality chances. Taking corsi/fenwick as the only determining factor of a players game is a farce. If you have never seen a player play before and look only at the numbers then yes, corsi may indeed be the best stat to look at but it has to be taken properly into context.

 

[Zil]

wasnt klein one of our best possession stat guys in the playoffs?

No. He put up positive number playing ridiculously sheltered minutes. He has a long, long track record of being a horrific possession player.

It's obvious you're clueless.

This is one of the worst memes on HFBoards. The "Klein sucks" meme is just so bad and wrong. It makes us look so dumb.

I will try explaining this once to you guys: When Klein is on the ice, the opposition takes 54.5% of the shots. If you're giving up an elevated number of shots your opponent doesn't need a very high shooting percentage for the goals to pile up. Even though Klein rarely makes the one big gaff that your eyes are likely to pick up on, you're still getting burned on the percentages. Remember, every shot against is a chance for the puck to take any number of crazy bounces and wind up in the back of the net.

It's similar to baseball and defensive metrics. The guy with superior range who makes a few extra errors is way more valuable than a guy with poor range and sure hands. The rangier guy gets to way more balls which turns into way fewer hits given up even if he makes a few more errors.

You don't seem to understand that possession is not one all encompassing stat. It's not even close to the level of something like wOBA in baseball. It's a good tool to use. It gives you some of the information. It's a better proxy for winning percentage than anything else we have publicly available. It doesn't give you ALL the information. It is entirely possible for one player to have great possession numbers but at the same time to be absolutely clueless in his own end and allow more scoring opportunities because of that. It's also possible that another player doesn't handle the puck so well and is constantly hemmed in his own zone but he's excellent at getting in the lanes, blocking shots, and preventing quality chances. Taking corsi/fenwick as the only determining factor of a players game is a farce. If you have never seen a player play before and look only at the numbers then yes, corsi may indeed be the best stat to look at but it has to be taken properly into context.

The eye test will fool you a ton in hockey if you choose to trust it. The fact is that teams that win cups and have sustainable success tend to have the best possession numbers. I will trade the occasional brain fart in the defensive zone if the player's skill ensures that the other team spends far less time there.

 

[Inferno]

No. He put up positive number playing ridiculously sheltered minutes. He has a long, long track record of being a horrific possession player.

Playoff numbers plz....

 

[surf]

You kids...sheltered minutes....possession numbers..corsi....What a waste

 

[SA16]

The eye test will fool you a ton in hockey if you choose to trust it. The fact is that teams that win cups and have sustainable success tend to have the best possession numbers. I will trade the occasional brain fart in the defensive zone if the player's skill ensures that the other team spends far less time there.

I did not say the eye test. I am a huge baseball Sabremetrics person and know all about how people misunderstand what they see (with the fielder range concept you mentioned being a huge one). What I said is that current stats do not give enough information to tell you whether a player is good or bad but solely relying on one number (corsi/fenwick in this case). You need to look at many different stats combined, many of which do not yet exist or are not publicly available. Simply ranking every player by corsi from high to low in the league will not accurately depict how good a player is. Yes, it will be the correct trend with higher corsis corresponding to better players but there will also be a ton of outliers.

As I posted in a thread months ago:

"Blindly stating that possession numbers have a 100% correlation and are the number one determinant of player ability is a misuse of these stats. Imagine the extreme case where player A is in his own zone 50% of the time and never blocks a shot and player B is in his own zone 75% of the time and blocks 33% of shots (and they get out of the zone). In terms of chances allowed defensively these are equivalent situations but just looking at one number of possession you would state A>>>>>B"

 

[Zil]

Playoff numbers plz....

What you are referring to is their CF% rel
Klein: +5.9%
Stralman: +2.5%
Girardi: -7.9%

The problem with that is this it ignores quality of competition (QoC TOI%)
Klein: 27.4%
Stralman: 29.3%
Girardi: 29.6%

And zone starts (ZS%)
Klein: 63.4%
Stralman: 38.4%
Girardi: 50.0%

Klein played by far the fewest minutes against the weakest competition and started nearly two thirds of his shifts in the offensive zone. Any NHL defenseman would post a positive corsi in that situation.

 

[Zil]

I did not say the eye test. I am a huge baseball Sabremetrics person and know all about how people misunderstand what they see (with the fielder range concept you mentioned being a huge one). What I said is that current stats do not give enough information to tell you whether a player is good or bad but solely relying on one number (corsi/fenwick in this case). You need to look at many different stats combined, many of which do not yet exist or are not publicly available. Simply ranking every player by corsi from high to low in the league will not accurately depict how good a player is. Yes, it will be the correct trend with higher corsis corresponding to better players but there will also be a ton of outliers.

As I posted in a thread months ago:

"Blindly stating that possession numbers have a 100% correlation and are the number one determinant of player ability is a misuse of these stats. Imagine the extreme case where player A is in his own zone 50% of the time and never blocks a shot and player B is in his own zone 75% of the time and blocks 33% of shots (and they get out of the zone). In terms of chances allowed defensively these are equivalent situations but just looking at one number of possession you would state A>>>>>B"

I agree with you when it comes to forwards and offensive defensemen because there are all sorts of elements to consider such as super elite players like Crosby and Malkin boosting team shooting percentages. But the number one way to stop the other team from scoring is to keep them from getting shots. There's no wiggle room there. Klein does a really, really poor job at preventing shots by the other team.