Salary Cap: Dylan McIlrath
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Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
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I still don't understand how he is being compared to gudas. Gudas is 5" shorter and 20-30 pounds lighter.
NickyFotiu
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The narative...lol I guess that is why the #10 pick is often referred to as a "top 10 pick" by those people. The implication that teams usually draft a Crosby like player in the "top 10".
Here are the #10 picks for the last 15 years. Does anyone see a Crosby like player drafted at #10 by other teams?
Nick Ritchie
Valeri Nichushkin
Slater Koekkoek
Jonas Brodin
Dylan McIlrath
Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson
Cody Hodgson
Keaton Ellerby
Michael Frolik
Luc Bourdon
Boris Valabik
Andrei Kostitsyn
Eric Nystrom
Dan Blackburn
Mikhail Yakubov
Bluenote13
Believe In Henke
A) Crosby??? You're out of your mind, no one is asking for Crosby, but how about a competent player who can play and make a difference.
B)What about all those players taken after#10, they were also available.
C)Edmonton and Dallas were ripe to take him ! Yeah, those shining beacons of success were all aboard the Mcilrath train ! And Edmonton would have had to trade way up to do it. Dallas ended up with Campbell who played great this past season.
Gordie had a history of failure with big guys - Kudroc, Rupp, Mezei, Pyatt,etc.
I wasn't a big fan of most of the Dmen that were being talked about at #10 - Gormley. Pysyk, Forbort - so it wasn't just Mcilrath I would have been upset about.
B)What about all those players taken after#10, they were also available.
C)Edmonton and Dallas were ripe to take him ! Yeah, those shining beacons of success were all aboard the Mcilrath train ! And Edmonton would have had to trade way up to do it. Dallas ended up with Campbell who played great this past season.
Gordie had a history of failure with big guys - Kudroc, Rupp, Mezei, Pyatt,etc.
I wasn't a big fan of most of the Dmen that were being talked about at #10 - Gormley. Pysyk, Forbort - so it wasn't just Mcilrath I would have been upset about.
I think everyone on this board wants to keep Stralman. But you need to realize that we are in the cap world. Assuming we don't sign Stralman, and he signs somewhere else for a 4.5m cap hit. You cant say we are replacing Stralman with McIlrath. You need to say we are replacing Stralman for McIlrath and 3.8m in cap space. While on paper I am sure everyone would agree Stralman is currently a better player than McIlrath, is he better than McIlrath and whatever can be required with 3.8m in extra cap space?
2014 has been an amazing ride. While I love this team, I think we are very fortunate on how it ended up. Would the Rangers have rallied against the Pens without the death of MSL's mother? Would they have beat Montreal with a healthy Price? What if we lost game 5,6,7 against Pens or 7 against Flyers? Assuming we could keep this team entire intact(we can't), I am not overly confident that we could make the Cup Finals next year. Even if we could keep Stralman, Boye, and Pouliot I don't think our chances are high. I am not looking to blow up the team, but he need some young kids with low cap hits to make their way in so we have the flexibility to get our missing pieces. We might take a step back next season doing this, but I think we are probably taking a step back if we kept the team in tact. I think I rather have the cap space and give the young kids a shot.
This is what leaves me scratching my head with people on here. The day he was drafted, Clarke and Gorton said that the kid is going to need 4-5 years of development before he was ready to crack the NHL. With is freak injury setbacks, I am not sure how anyone can be unhappy with where he is at today. Be upset with the pick all you want, but being upset with his development seems ultra silly to me.
offdacrossbar
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wait i mentioned him once in this entire thread and thats it
im afraid his name will always be connected to dylan mcilrath in perpetuity. many here wanted us to take tank over any other player other than perhaps fowler.
i wanted tank or kuznetsov actually. either of them over dylan.
i like my russian forwards and my swedish defenders. guilty as charged.
Beacon
Embrace the tank
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Honestly, I can't have any respect for the intelligence of anyone who makes this argument. You really need to understand NOTHING about either hockey or human body development to say this.
Nobody knows how players develop, you draft by odds. So if one player has a 40% chance to develop into an above average NHLer and a half a dozen others have a 20% chance, you draft the guy with the 40% chance. Together the other 6 have much higher odds of success (20%X6) than the first kid (40%X1), which is why you can't trade one #8 pick for six picks from #20 to #30.
This is also why in every draft there are players drafted later who turn into superior NHLers. The odds of someone drafted later are worse, but they exist and if you get enough of them (e.g., the whole second round vs. a single #10 pick), odds are one of the later picks will succeed.
This does not mean that originally it was a predictable thing. It does not mean that the team failed. It does not mean that at the age of 18, Lundqvist was a superior prospect than DiPietro. It just means some kids succeed above expectations, but at the age of 18, you draft the guy with 40% odds and not the guy with 20% odds because that will lead to success a lot more often.
Your 20/20 hindsight just shows your ignorance of how things work.
Beacon
Embrace the tank
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EVERYONE has a history of failure with big men. Everyone!
There's a reason for this: big men who are skilled go in the top 3, at worst top 5. For a big man to fall out of the top few picks, means there are significant questions about him. Sometimes that big guy works out, but far more often he doesn't. Getting Jessiman is a far more likely outcome of drafting a big guy than getting Kreider.
This is why I rarely want us to draft big men. Sure it sounds good on paper because you can see that he's 6-4 230 pounds, but it's only because you haven't seen the lack of skill that caused a big guy to drop to #20.
Bluenote13
Believe In Henke
Not everyone has that kind of bad luck around the #10 pick ! All f those minus Kudroc were picked with top ten or #10 picks. And Kudroc was also a guy no one thought could make the first round that year. He reached on all those guys sans Pyatt who was considered a top pick that year.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
Some must have understood who I was talking about and I would trade a 1st rounder and Mcilrath for him. It would not get it done, though.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
Well I was going to extrapolate those 2 games to his entire NHL career because that's normally what you do with young players. amirite?
Stepan scored 246 goals last year.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
Nope.
You could admit that he looked over matched and was immediately sent down though, because thats what happened.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
Lol so what though? He was a 21 y/o defensman that needed more time to develop. What's the big deal. My point is obvious, you can't read anything into those 2 games, all it showed is he isn't ready yet.
To be honest he probably isnt ready anyway at least another year. Brady Skjei might end up being more ready
I thought there was a waiver issue with him but there isn't. Hence my question from before.
