Friedman: Dylan Larkin requests trade

[FriendlyGhost92]

4th overall
3 2nds
Greene
Korchinski
(Burakovsky+Mangiapane for salary)

Not bad IMO, esp considering Stenberg will be there for the taking.

Detroit jumps all over this

Ehhh.

4th is nice but the rest is magic beans. Korchinski is damn near bust status.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Yzerman is as old school af. No way he traded him to an eastern team

Yzerman traded MSL to an Eastern Team in the middle of a PPG season...

 

[NOGATCO]

It's now even progressed past whining about playing in Canada, even the US-based ones are throwing tantrums.

sounds like you’re realizing it’s not really about US vs Canada but more not wanting to be stuck in dysfunctional organizations

 

[StreetHawk]

I agree the NMC hurts the value but I think Yzerman can and should play hardball if Larkin wants to go somewhere where specific if the value just isnt there. Im more then willing to stand pat for awhile until you and fox out the best deal.

Larkin will have to give a list of a few teams. Going to really depend on what the root of the reason is for Larkin to ask out now.

If it is a chance to get to the PO and actually compete, then you can figure out where'd he'd like to go.

And if he gives teams in the East, will Yzerman entertain those teams or not? Would he send Larkin in division to Buffalo or Boston?

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Anyone having flashbacks to Sakic trading Duchene? Where he held onto him until he got the deal he wanted? I know Larkin has the NMC, but I see Yzerman be a spiteful SOB and drag this out.

 

[ctmagic]

Anyone having flashbacks to Sakic trading Duchene? Where he held onto him until he got the deal he wanted? I know Larkin has the NMC, but I see Yzerman be a spiteful SOB and drag this out.

If he still has a job

 

[StreetHawk]

If he still has a job

Also, Larkin with a full NTC. Duchene had no protection at all when Sakic moved him.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Anyone having flashbacks to Sakic trading Duchene? Where he held onto him until he got the deal he wanted? I know Larkin has the NMC, but I see Yzerman be a spiteful SOB and drag this out.

It's not really being spiteful. You signed a contract, we're not trading you for pennies on the dollar just because you wanna be a whiny quitter and then severely dictate our options to honor your request.

Do you not want to be here? Fine. Then you need to work with us to find a good way out.

 

[Viqsi]

When a team signals rebuild coming (the captain bailing counts) - the vultures with near term hopes and Cup contenders absolutely come knocking. Thats how the rebuild game works.

I’ve bled Teal since 1991. Been through all those years with Marleau and Thornton, remaining loyal to them as very very good players. In the end, for almost two decades they were competitive and a threat for conference Championships, but Pittsburgh buzzsawed them the one time the got into the final. Two decades of hope.

Don’t think of this so much as being vultured. Get your haul of assets and build for the future. Take it as a compliment that I’m making a bigger deal of Seider when Larkin says “bail!!!”. Larkin has put Seider in a crappy spot, the whole team in a tough spot. But reality is, he knows he’s not going to win a Cup in Detroit. But Det can say, OK, Seider can help another team now, which won’t be winning years anyways, and give us a shot at being a monster in 4-5 years. The assets SJ can offer will be young and top level. The salary cap will be higher then and $ to resign those guys available. With the cap going up, trades will likely be fewer as most teams can hold onto more guys. The oven of Seider is hot, grabbing that cash for 2031 isnt the worst strategy. But yes, it will hurt and be weird to see him Chase the cup in another jersey.

Hon, I'm a Jackets and Preds fan. I look forward to an extended era of Wings failure with glee and enthusiasm*. But they're still an NHL team with an NHL team's ambitions and plans, and they would have to be completely batshit crazy to trade Seider. You just don't get those kinds of guys that easily.

And trades are not going to be easier. Folks will just get paid more. That's how it's been for every single cap raise every time.

*: About the only thing more awesome would be the end of the Pens, but nobody can correctly and accurately predict the end of the Pens. f***, Pens fans can't correctly and accurately predict the end of the Pens.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

It's not really being spiteful. You signed a contract, we're not trading you for pennies on the dollar just because you wanna be a whiny quitter and then severely dictate our options to honor your request.

Do you not want to be here? Fine. Then you need to work with us to find a good way out.

Are you telling me you can't see Stevie going a little old school like Sakic did? I can 100% see a discussion where Larkin throws out 2 teams that both play hardball and SY tells Larkin that he needs 10 team options or he's not getting traded. Maybe spiteful wasn't the right word, but definitely waiting til he gets what he wants.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Are you telling me you can't see Stevie going a little old school like Sakic did? I can 100% see a discussion where Larkin throws out 2 teams that both play hardball and SY tells Larkin that he needs 10 team options or he's not getting traded. Maybe spiteful wasn't the right word, but definitely waiting til he gets what he wants.

... I literally just said that I can see Stevie waiting as long as it takes to get the deal he wants.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

I think the whole request trade is getting dumb a GM needs to let them sit for a year and this requesting trade shenanigans will drop.

 

[Viqsi]

I think the whole request trade is getting dumb a GM needs to let them sit for a year and this requesting trade shenanigans will drop.

Judging by some of the reports going 'round (I don't recall where exactly) this has been going on since approximately 2023. Dunno if he's had a trade request out that long, but I think the "let them sit" approach has already been tried.

 

[Vergil]

July 1st doesn't have to be a nightmare when he can sign him on July 2nd.

The point is that he has a week to make use of the 8th contract year before he is forced to trade him. Guerin will panic if he doesn't sign day one.. Quinn may even tell Bill to kick rocks if the Devils have Larkin in tow.

 

[SENStastic]

I think the whole request trade is getting dumb a GM needs to let them sit for a year and this requesting trade shenanigans will drop.

Ya no, that just wont work these days. You can do it with depth players, but not with core star players, because at that point you're not just punishing him, but the entire team, and the coach. That could turn toxic af in no time.

 

[NOGATCO]

Yzerman traded MSL to an Eastern Team in the middle of a PPG season...

MSL was a 38 year old RW at the very end of his career.

Larkin is a 1C in his absolute prime. Arguably the rarest/most impactful asset in the NHL.

Trading him to a conference rival could completely turn around the other franchise and instantly alter the EC playoff landscape.

Way different than trading MSL

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Ya no, that just wont work these days. You can do it with depth players, but not with core star players, because at that point you're not just punishing him, but the entire team, and the coach. That could turn toxic af in no time.

lol no it wouldn't either way he's not apart of the lineup whatever he returns isn't gonna be the difference to them being a good team next year. he isn't gonna want to sit for two years and the first taught him you are willing to hold out and suddenly your potential trades get bigger for better returns.

 

[StreetHawk]

Judging by some of the reports going 'round (I don't recall where exactly) this has been going on since approximately 2023. Dunno if he's had a trade request out that long, but I think the "let them sit" approach has already been tried.

Then you can ask why Detroit and Yzerman, knowing he had going into 23 TDL would have been out of the PO with Detroit for 7 straight seasons and being an upcoming UFA, move him?

At some point, Yzerman, Larkin and his agent talked contract and I would have to belief what his plans and expectations were of the team. Whatever it was, it was good enough to convince Larkin to sign for the max 8 years vs say, that's a solid plan, but I don't think that's realistic as I'm in the prime of my career, turning 27 in 2023. Might be best for me to move onto another team while you continue to rebuild.

Now, 3 years later, I doubt that plan has gone as expected.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

MSL was a 38 year old RW at the very end of his career.

Larkin is a 1C in his absolute prime. Arguably the rarest/most impactful asset in the NHL.

Trading him to a conference rival could completely turn around the other franchise and instantly alter the EC playoff landscape.

Way different than trading MSL

Larkin is absolutely not in his prime lol. The last two years have been a step down.

Nevermind that Yzerman isn't taking a worse return just to keep his whiny quitter out of the conference.

 

[flywithme]

I’d say Anaheim passes comfortably if that’s the case

+1000. No way Verbeek includes McQueen for a 30 year old.

 

[SENStastic]

lol no it wouldn't either way he's not apart of the lineup whatever he returns isn't gonna be the difference to them being a good team next year. he isn't gonna want to sit for two years and the first taught him you are willing to hold out and suddenly your potential trades get bigger for better returns.

I hope Yzerman does do it then. We'll see how it actually plays out, but I wouldn't bet on it not poisoning the entire team if it does go that route. He's still a respected member amongst the team from what I've read, imagine their GM treating their captain, 1C and life long franchise player that bad after sticking with them this long during their worst years just to teach him a lesson and squeeze out a little more trade vaue. Yikes.

 

[Viqsi]

Then you can ask why Detroit and Yzerman, knowing he had going into 23 TDL would have been out of the PO with Detroit for 7 straight seasons and being an upcoming UFA, move him?

At some point, Yzerman, Larkin and his agent talked contract and I would have to belief what his plans and expectations were of the team. Whatever it was, it was good enough to convince Larkin to sign for the max 8 years vs say, that's a solid plan, but I don't think that's realistic as I'm in the prime of my career, turning 27 in 2023. Might be best for me to move onto another team while you continue to rebuild.

Now, 3 years later, I doubt that plan has gone as expected.

I'm not privy to the whole thing (frankly nobody in the public is); I just remember seeing folks suggesting that there was a poor relationship between Larkin and Yzerman starting with that contract negotiation.

 

[Breakers]

He should maybe start considering that his leadership is the cancer.

Very much could be

We’ll know next season

 

[CanadianHawks]

4th overall
3 2nds
Greene
Korchinski
(Burakovsky+Mangiapane for salary)

Not bad IMO, esp considering Stenberg will be there for the taking.

Hawks will not be dealing that pick if Stenberg is available. He's likely their number one

 

[AKL]

He should maybe start considering that his leadership is the cancer.

Yes of course, as Marner was the problem in Toronto