Friedman: Dylan Larkin requests trade, Part II

[tomd]

Doubt we’re volunteering Anton in this type of trade until ASP has proven a bit more.

That's fine. You guys know your team better than I do. But I know our team better than you do. Carlsson-Granlund is a good 1-2 punch at C for Anaheim. OTOH, RD is an absolute trainwreck. If you were Anaheim, what position would you be using your assets to fix?

 

[anezthes]

Are you knew to hockey?

Investing significant assets in depreciating ones as you're just about to turn the corner after 7 years in the gutter is not a wise move.

I'm sure you knew that already.

 

[Waldorf]

ANA: Larkin, Faulk, DET 2026 2nd
DET: McQueen, Solberg, DET 2027 2nd

I'd throw in JBD too but I doubt he has any value to you all.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

That's fine. You guys know your team better than I do. But I know our team better than you do. Carlsson-Granlund is a good 1-2 punch at C for Anaheim. OTOH, RD is an absolute trainwreck. If you were Anaheim, what position would you be using your assets to fix?

I'm not really viewing it from Anaheim's perspective at all, I'm just saying I don't see us trading Johansson for McTavish while our RHD future is uncertain.

Now, Anton by no means untouchable. I just don't think McTavish is what we'd move him (Plus) for. That's trading a good prospect in a position you're not secure in to add McTavish, who you hope you have comparables to already in Kasper and Danielson.

 

[anezthes]

ANA: Larkin, Faulk, DET 2026 2nd
DET: McQueen, Solberg, DET 2027 2nd

No.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

ANA: Larkin, Faulk, DET 2026 2nd
DET: McQueen, Solberg, DET 2027 2nd

I'd throw in JBD too but I doubt he has any value to you all.

There's no point in throwing these names out there we already know how Anaheim fans feel about them lol.

 

[Waldorf]

There's no point in throwing these names out there we already know how Anaheim fans feel about them lol.

Bird in hand is worth two in the bush. I think UTA is probably the "most ideal" trade partner from a Detroit perspective but I guess we'll see.

 

[Leo2Cutter]

I’m fine with Mintyukov instead of Solberg if that’s the sticking point. I don’t think Detroit is looking to have a team with both Zellweger and Sandin-Pelikka. Anaheim has the LD depth to make that move and if needed Detroit can add to balance out a return. For a team looking to move McTavish, this is likely Anaheim’s best bet. It’s very rare to be able to move a distressed asset for a better player.

I actually don’t love the Larkin idea, especially if we’re including a dmen like Mintyukov/solberg. Our focus needs to be rhd and prob top 6 winger… I’m cool with granlund as 2c w/ McQueen in waiting.

If it’s just straight across mctavish + picks or expendable piece like zellweger… I’m for it… but if Detroit wants our young dmen that seem like the plan for our defense I’d prob pass.

 

[Leo2Cutter]

There's no point in throwing these names out there we already know how Anaheim fans feel about them lol.

I mean that’s awful for Anaheim regardless lol like just kill the cap situation

 

[SirKillalot]

lol McT + Solberg + 1st + McQueen is NOT a fair deal at all. That's a package for a legit superstar.

"Larkin nets you McTavish + Solberg + 1st easily, and should try getting McQueen."

That's the quote - and thats bullshit.

No its not.

McTavish value is quite low at the moment. He and the organization doesn't look eye to eye, he's sat multiple times, they struggled to agree to the current contract he has. He's a 2nd line forward who apparently their coach don't think has been good enough to hold that spot

So, you get a 2nd line guy with lower value and a tad rocky history, you get a 1st 27 as they don't have a pick this year, which probably is after the middle at some point, you get Solberg who was a 23rd pick and expected to be a 2nd pair guy at best (which is still good) and possibly McQueen that was a 10th overall pick who one don't yet know will be top six or bottom six forward but one hope top six and if he's middle six long term that is also solid.

And you get a guy who is a 1C that can hold his own, playing as a strong 2C on your team right now. Who's a little bit below point per game the last 5 seasons (354 points in 375 games for 0.94 points per game) and with 5 more seasons to go on the contract.

Maybe one have to include Anton Johansson in some way to get McQueen, both teams value him quite a bit. Or some other piece that intrigues Anaheim that Detroit would be willing to let go in such a trade.
At the same time one could potentially take out both Solberg and Johansson of the equation, but then might be some extra thing added to it if its McTavish + 1st + McQueen. Though Solberg is LD and Johansson is RD which is why Ducks want him.

That bonafides Anaheim's top six and you can push Granlund down to 3rd line and have that solved for the next two seasons together with Poehling. Where you also have the option of pushing one down to 4th and run them both as centers like this year.

 

[Leo2Cutter]

No its not.

McTavish value is quite low at the moment. He and the organization doesn't look eye to eye, he's sat multiple times, they struggled to agree to the current contract he has. He's a 2nd line forward who apparently their coach don't think has been good enough to hold that spot

So, you get a 2nd line guy with lower value and a tad rocky history, you get a 1st 27 as they don't have a pick this year, which probably is after the middle at some point, you get Solberg who was a 23rd pick and expected to be a 2nd pair guy at best (which is still good) and possibly McQueen that was a 10th overall pick who one don't yet know will be top six or bottom six forward but one hope top six and if he's middle six long term that is also solid.

And you get a guy who is a 1C that can hold his own, playing as a strong 2C on your team right now. Who's a little bit below point per game the last 5 seasons (354 points in 375 games for 0.94 points per game) and with 5 more seasons to go on the contract.

Maybe one have to include Anton Johansson in some way to get McQueen, both teams value him quite a bit. Or some other piece that intrigues Anaheim that Detroit would be willing to let go in such a trade.
At the same time one could potentially take out both Solberg and Johansson of the equation, but then might be some extra thing added to it if its McTavish + 1st + McQueen. Though Solberg is LD and Johansson is RD which is why Ducks want him.

That bonafides Anaheim's top six and you can push Granlund down to 3rd line and have that solved for the next two seasons together with Poehling. Where you also have the option of pushing one down to 4th and run them both as centers like this year.

Ducks arnt trading 2 potential top 6 centers for Larkin at 30.

 

[SirKillalot]

If it’s just straight across mctavish + picks or expendable piece like zellweger… I’m for it… but if Detroit wants our young dmen that seem like the plan for our defense I’d prob pass.

Why is Zellweger expendable? His numbers looks decent/good for his role?
Idk though if he is the type of d-man Yzerman wants of the options available in regard to who to pair him with. Maybe he could be paired with Anton Johansson, but it would mean ASP waits a bit as Faulk is in the way of him then.

 

[Leo2Cutter]

Why is Zellweger expendable? His numbers looks decent/good for his role?
Idk though if he is the type of d-man Yzerman wants of the options available. in regard to who to pair him with. Maybe he could be paired with Anton Johansson, but it would mean ASP waits a bit as Faulk is in the way of him then.

I think it’s more based on PV wanting to be big…. Zellweger doesn’t fit his vision. And having guys like lacombe Mintyukov hinds and solberg that fit the vision better.

Tho I do think some team will luck out grabbing zellweger pretty cheap.

 

[Waldorf]

I mean that’s awful for Anaheim regardless lol like just kill the cap situation

What cap dumps do you want to send back? I'm just spitballing. Looking forward to Dylan Larkin Part IV in 3 months. Don't mind retaining on Faulk either.

 

[Leo2Cutter]

What cap dumps do you want to send back? I'm just spitballing. Looking forward to Dylan Larkin Part IV in 3 months.

Personally the only way Larkin trade makes sense for Anaheim is if it’s a package around mctavish. I don’t really see us moving McQueen or solberg.

Mctavish cap would essentially cross out Larkin cap which would not cause issues with resigning our guys.

 

[SirKillalot]

I think it’s more based on PV wanting to be big…. Zellweger doesn’t fit his vision.

Tho I do think some team will luck out grabbing zellweger pretty cheap.

Yzerman has the same thing with d-men to a degree. If getting Zellweger it all depends who he's going to be paired with and in what role. I think getting a smaller guy on defense, personally I'm not against it, but you need to have d-men partner options to find the right fit and role. And since we already have ASP (who's smaller) on the right expected to take a spot as 2nd pair D-man or 3rd pair d-man, it only leaves one spot for Zellweger which is not on ASP's pair.

 

[Waldorf]

Personally the only way Larkin trade makes sense for Anaheim is if it’s a package around mctavish. I don’t really see us moving McQueen or solberg.

Mctavish cap would essentially cross out Larkin cap which would not cause issues with resigning our guys.

Ah thats too bad, I'm ambivalent on McT personally. I'd rather take back an old guy who can keep the younguns professional since likely we are tanking next year.

 

[Leo2Cutter]

Yzerman has the same thing with d-men to a degree. If getting Zellweger it all depends who he's going to be paired with and in what role. I think getting a smaller guy on defense, personally I'm not against it, but you need to have d-men partner options. And since we already have ASP on the right expected to take a spot as 2nd pair D-man or 3rd pair d-man, it only leaves one spot for Zellweger which is not on ASP's pair.

Ya idk that I agree with the big dmen idea PV has… zellweger is good enough to play as a top 4 dmen in the NHL, still has plenty of room for growth offensively…. It’ll prob end up a semi mistake to trade him, but also a casualty of depth with Mintyukov, Solberg lacombe and hinds already on the left side.

 

[Leo2Cutter]

Ah thats too bad, I'm ambivalent on McT personally. I'd rather take back an old guy who can keep the younguns professional since likely we are tanking next year.

I think having Leo (lhc) and McQueen(rhc) down the middle for the next decade will be a tough matchup for teams. Can’t see us moving McQueen for anyone really, but def not guys on the closer side of retirement than rookie season.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

After Florida getting Brady, I think Kelly McCrimmon pushes harder to get Larkin. If they include Karlsson into the deal, they will have a very impressive team down the middle

Eichel - high end #1C
Larkin - high end #2C
Hertl - high end #3C

 

[Waldorf]

I think having Leo (lhc) and McQueen(rhc) down the middle for the next decade will be a tough matchup for teams. Can’t see us moving McQueen for anyone really, but def not guys on the closer side of retirement than rookie season.

Fair, yeah, I just am ambivalent on McT. It's better than nothing, but IMO the ideal is a young center, realistically who is 2 years or so away from being NHL ready. Next year is a big, rough step back. Nobody is coming to the rescue by trading a guy trending in the right direction. The only vets who I think stay on the roster in Detroit are probably Copp, Chiarot and DeBrincat.

 

[Leo2Cutter]

After Florida getting Brady, I think Kelly McCrimmon pushes harder to get Larkin. If they include Karlsson into the deal, they will have a very impressive team down the middle

Eichel - high end #1C
Larkin - high end #2C
Hertl - high end #3C

Kinda thought the same thing…. At the same time what can Vegas really offer.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

After Florida getting Brady, I think Kelly McCrimmon pushes harder to get Larkin. If they include Karlsson into the deal, they will have a very impressive team down the middle

Eichel - high end #1C
Larkin - high end #2C
Hertl - high end #3C

Depends on how much Detroit would value Dorofeyev, I'd think.

I have a hard time believing that Karlsson + Connolly + 2028 1st gets it done.

 

[ZDH]

Kinda thought the same thing…. At the same time what can Vegas really offer.

Nothing. Vegas has no pieces that would interest us and their 1st rounders are 2nd rounders.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

After Florida getting Brady, I think Kelly McCrimmon pushes harder to get Larkin. If they include Karlsson into the deal, they will have a very impressive team down the middle

Eichel - high end #1C
Larkin - high end #2C
Hertl - high end #3C

Literally the only thing of any value that Vegas has to offer is Dorofeyev lol.

And hard to sell a team on "Here's our winger he'll be great next to Andrew Copp".