Friedman: Dylan Larkin requests trade, Part II

[izlez]

What? He'd be going to Dallas...... as a depth piece with 50% retention in my proposal.

I'm aware your proposal had him going to Dallas. For a recent 1st round pick that went 20+20 last year & a 2nd round pick.

I was just stating how I value Suter as a team that is pretty desperate for centers, and it ain't for what you were proposing

 

[DatDude44]

I mean yeah you'd have to. Robertson is the better player, albeit at the less important position.

Also not 100% sure Robertson isn't staying, but it certainly is trending toward a no.

Larkin under contract for 5 years at 8.7M is also a big piece of the value puzzle as well, robertson at 12-14 mill, yikes, still a great player. Larkins also a warrior type center that I think could be a massive boost for them in the playoffs.

 

[DatDude44]

I'm aware your proposal had him going to Dallas. For a recent 1st round pick that went 20+20 last year & a 2nd round pick.

I was just stating how I value Suter as a team that is pretty desperate for centers, and it ain't for what you were proposing

I gotcha, i mean detroit giving up anything of value for a suter doesn't make sense where they're at anyway though. A team like dallas that might make sense for. I mean, i just figured they wanted to offload bourque given their cap crunch and him maybe wanting idk around 3 mill? I'm fine taking him out of it and making it just that late 2nd for suter which i think is very fair, similiar to a deadline type price to pay for a depth piece like that but you get him the whole season.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Larkin under contract for 5 years at 8.7M is also a big piece of the value puzzle as well, robertson at 12-14 mill, yikes, still a great player. Larkins also a warrior type center that I think could be a massive boost for them in the playoffs.

Yeah, contracts are gonna be gross but it's just something teams are gonna have to deal with at this point. Everybody's gonna get a ridiculous one now.

Also, Larkin has been anything but a warrior for us when hockey gets tough.

 

[MNRube]

Detroit is already going to be irrelevant this season. Might as well maximize the return on the Larkin trade.

Nah, they have a lot of good young pieces still. A Larkin trade only needs to recalibrate their timeline back a couple years. It was already an awkward fit with him being so much older than the other core members.

If Yzerman plays hardball that is a massive distraction and a red flag to other players who may consider Detroit down the line.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Feels like Yzermans gonna hold onto Larkin because "patience" and then the market will disappear. GMs have lost all self control right now for wingers and mid D. Nows the time to cash in

 

[FMichael]

Larkin under contract for 5 years at 8.7M is also a big piece of the value puzzle as well, robertson at 12-14 mill, yikes, still a great player. Larkins also a warrior type center that I think could be a massive boost for them in the playoffs.

Yeah, contracts are gonna be gross but it's just something teams are gonna have to deal with at this point. Everybody's gonna get a ridiculous one now.

Also, Larkin has been anything but a warrior for us when hockey gets tough.

 

[DatDude44]

Yeah, contracts are gonna be gross but it's just something teams are gonna have to deal with at this point. Everybody's gonna get a ridiculous one now.

Also, Larkin has been anything but a warrior for us when hockey gets tough.

U guys haven't played playoff hockey and I dont' put that blame solely on Larkin. He certainly looked the part in four nations and the olympics. He wouldn't be the de facto go to center in Dallas like he is in Detroit either ya know.

 

[Brodie]

I have no idea what Yzerman has as priorities. But I could not care less about success this season versus chasing a Cup(s) long term. So while I'm fine with also landing a Peterka or McTavish or whomever to help, for me it's all about a path to being a high end roster down the road.

It seems pretty obvious to me that the goal for the past few years has been to simply make the playoffs. It feels like ownership canceled the full rebuild several years ago and we've been trying to scrape together a team that could potentially just sneak in ever since

My suspicion is that the Ilitches would rather have a mediocre team that makes the playoffs but never contends than suffer what it takes to actually build a championship roster in 2026

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

U guys haven't played playoff hockey and I dont' put that blame solely on Larkin. He certainly looked the part in four nations and the olympics. He wouldn't be the de facto go to center in Dallas like he is in Detroit either ya know.

"He wouldn't have to be relied on" isn't exactly a great selling point for a guy you're trying to claim will be great in tough hockey.

 

[SirloinUB]

Nah, they have a lot of good young pieces still. A Larkin trade only needs to recalibrate their timeline back a couple years. It was already an awkward fit with him being so much older than the other core members.

If Yzerman plays hardball that is a massive distraction and a red flag to other players who may consider Detroit down the line.

The hometown captain is asking out. Nobody is considering Detroit anytime soon.

The Red Wings doing anything other than taking the long term view, which includes maximizing the Larkin return, is 100% foolish.

 

[schuelma24]

Nah, they have a lot of good young pieces still. A Larkin trade only needs to recalibrate their timeline back a couple years. It was already an awkward fit with him being so much older than the other core members.

If Yzerman plays hardball that is a massive distraction and a red flag to other players who may consider Detroit down the line.

Just keep trying! I was told that if Minny fans win the internet argument and Russo just keeps churning out Larkin bait articles, Yzerman will just give in and take their spare parts.

Almost there!

 

[DatDude44]

"He wouldn't have to be relied on" isn't exactly a great selling point for a guy you're trying to claim will be great in tough hockey.

I know i don't need to spell this out, but, obviously that's not my point, my point is, he wouldn't be the only center carrying the load like he is in Detroit. Larkins always been known as a lower end 1C but a fantastic 2C. Team him up with Hintz and the supporting cast in dallas and that's a heck of a team that would not be fun to play against in playoffs.......

 

[Hen Kolland]

Yeah, contracts are gonna be gross but it's just something teams are gonna have to deal with at this point. Everybody's gonna get a ridiculous one now.

Also, Larkin has been anything but a warrior for us when hockey gets tough.

I think he's been a warrior, unfortunately he has been more Storm Trooper and less Jedi Knight. He's played through a lot of shit physically, but not as effective as you would hope.

 

[jkutswings]

They are involved because that is where Larkin wants to land. Worst kept secret in hockey. Yzerman can play hardball if he wants but that won't be easy when the regular season approaches and the Wings are looking at another season of being irrelevant.

I agree that it's not an easy needle to thread for all parties involved. But Detroit isn't going to enjoy where they end up in the standings for the 2026-27 season, regardless of whether Larkin is dealt or to which team. So that aspect should exert zero pressure on getting the deal done.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

They are involved because that is where Larkin wants to land. Worst kept secret in hockey. Yzerman can play hardball if he wants but that won't be easy when the regular season approaches and the Wings are looking at another season of being irrelevant.

Don't think Larkin is as determined to end up in Minnesota as Minnesota is to have Larkin.

We hear about them most because they want him most and we know for sure that Larkin has them on his list, but that doesn't mean he's gonna end up there.

If they had what it takes to get him the trade would already be done by now.

 

[jkutswings]

It seems pretty obvious to me that the goal for the past few years has been to simply make the playoffs. It feels like ownership canceled the full rebuild several years ago and we've been trying to scrape together a team that could potentially just sneak in ever since

My suspicion is that the Ilitches would rather have a mediocre team that makes the playoffs but never contends than suffer what it takes to actually build a championship roster in 2026

I will let this summer play out. But if actions confirm this path, I'll be completely done as a fan, at least until there's a regime change and clear evidence that Cup contention is reinstated as a long term goal.

Life is too short to spend time on a team like that. They can chase a ring or kick rocks.

 

[MNRube]

Don't think Larkin is as determined to end up in Minnesota as Minnesota is to have Larkin.

We hear about them most because they want him most and we know for sure that Larkin has them on his list, but that doesn't mean he's gonna end up there.

If they had what it takes to get him the trade would already be done by now.

Blatantly wrong. Yzerman is a known blowhard and he wants his pound of flesh - he was always going to make this painful for Larkin, even to the detriment of his own team.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Blatantly wrong. Yzerman is a known blowhard and he wants his pound of flesh - he was always going to make this painful for Larkin, even to the detriment of his own team.

Yeah just like he did with MSL lmao.

 

[MNRube]

Just keep trying! I was told that if Minny fans win the internet argument and Russo just keeps churning out Larkin bait articles, Yzerman will just give in and take their spare parts.

Almost there!

Meh, most Wild fans here are perfectly fine to let things stand. We were pretty damn good without him and have a pair of young NHL ready Cs poised to join the big club.

 

[toskaladagoat]

Meh, most Wild fans here are perfectly fine to let things stand. We were pretty damn good without him and have a pair of young NHL ready Cs poised to join the big club.

Should be fine. Don't know why u gotta declare this outloud. Fans aren't involved in the negotiations. Unless u guys talk Dynasty fantasy league

 

[Hen Kolland]

Not at all. I prefer we keep Yurov & Stramel and the picks.

If anyone is acting like an emotional teenager here it is Red Wings fans expecting Iginla + Simashev + 3 1st Round Picks etc. Completely delusional.

When backed into a corner, start exaggerating and making accusations to go back on the offensive. It never fails, other than most of the time.

 

[toskaladagoat]

I'll give you that. Some wings fans don't know players outside the top 3 prospects of each team so not surprised they are naming them. I'm sure Utah tried the old but plus first plus prospect pitch and didn't get the reception they wanted.


Then again they are one of the teams who has stayed quiet since they expressed interest, as has Dallas.

Minny too for that matter. Maybe Lebrun who's had his pulse on alot this month is right it could be multi team trade.

 

[jkutswings]

I hear that anger and bargaining also come before acceptance.

For the record, most Wings fans are not at all expecting something like Iginla + Simashaev + 3 first rounders. I wouldn't expect that if it was Larkin and Debrincat in the deal. Personally I'm hoping for somebody on the level of a Desnoyers with a couple of lesser assets thrown in, but I would prefer to add to Larkin to get a second good piece in return.

 

[Waldorf]

Most threads involving Detroit eventually devolve into the following points repeated ad nauseam:
- Yzerman doesn't leak so theres little to go off of (though in this case theres an argument the 3 team disclosure was an Illitch/HSJ special)
- He's stingy and stubborn and patient and cautious to a fault, so folks will say he HAS to do something even though he's never operated that way
- Fans from other teams cant separate what we (Detroit fans) think is likely to happen given GMSY's proclivities not being synonymous with what we would want to happen
- Because the team is in a rough spot all Detroit assets take a hit even though a lot of our guys wouldn't be buns on better constructed teams