Friedman: Dylan Larkin requests trade, Part II

[Dotter]

Well that Ottawa trade just made the market for Larkin that much weaker.

I think FOMO will start taking effect and increase his value.

 

[MoneyManny]

Oh I don't know if yzerman is but probably a little smarter and more in control of the situation than someone like you

Yeah totally, everything points towards Yzerman being in complete control of the situation over there in Detroit!

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Disagree, Brady is over 3 years younger & is a significantly better 5v5 player. This just took a buyer out of the equation too.

The buyer was never in the equation, and Brady was likely even more restrictive than Larkin with his NMC.

 

[toskaladagoat]

So his patience ran out with Walman being a distraction and even paid for someone to get rid of him? Does it remind you of another situation?

Walman lol. That's your biggest axe to grind here? Lolol. Gotta do better than that timmy

 

[MoneyManny]

The buyer was never in the equation, and Brady was likely even more restrictive than Larkin with his NMC.

They seem to have waived for pretty much the same teams.

 

[TommyDangles]

Walman lol. That's your biggest axe to grind here? Lolol. Gotta do better than that timmy

Yzerman stood strong and didn't flinch.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

They seem to have waived for pretty much the same teams.

My guess would be Brady waived for "All the teams that have a relative on them."

Which, by my count, is one.

 

[Dotter]

So his patience ran out with Walman being a distraction and even paid for someone to get rid of him? Does it remind you of another situation?

You're speculating. Nobody knows what happened. Start a Walman thread if you want to discuss it.

 

[toskaladagoat]

Yzerman stood strong and didn't flinch.

Yeah he was quaking in his boots when he lost that fat midget

 

[MoneyManny]

My guess would be Brady waived for "All the teams that have a relative on them."

Which, by my count, is one.

I read he waived for CAR, MIN, FLA and VGK. What a surprise lol

 

[TommyDangles]

I mean this discussion literally came about from the Yurov/Stramel/2027 1st/2028 1st offer... Which is literally four late 1sts.

And Wings fans would be very underwhelmed by Yurov/Stramel and some late 1sts.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

And Wings fans would be very underwhelmed by Yurov/Stramel and some late 1sts.

Pretty sure the majority would be unsurprised.

The problem most have with Minnesota's package isn't the cumulative value, it's that the pieces don't really fit Detroit's needs.

 

[Dotter]

Disagree, Brady is over 3 years younger & is a significantly better 5v5 player. This just took a buyer out of the equation too.

re: took a buyer off the market.

If Florida is one of the deepest teams in the NHL at center, do they really need another center? They literally upgraded massively on Wing.

 

[Spurgeon]

The buyer was never in the equation, and Brady was likely even more restrictive than Larkin with his NMC.

Still I don’t think this is a trade that necessarily increases the value of Larkin. He’s locked up for more term, which could increase his value, but he’s also consistently declined in play the last 3 seasons and he’s about to turn 30. I don’t think he’s a sure thing as a 1C & I think there’s some risk to having him locked up for another 5 years.

I personally think his value is closer to Trocheck than it is to Tkachuk. He’ll return more than Trocheck does, but I don’t think it’s going to be equivalent to Tkachuk.

 

[TommyDangles]

You're speculating. Nobody knows what happened. Start a Walman thread if you want to discuss it.

You replied to me saying Yzerman won't want Larkin to be a distraction going into the season. You said Yzerman is rigid, patient, and won't flinch.

We seen the exact opposite happen with Walman. He wasn't anything of those things. Yzerman even paid for someone to take him because he was a distraction.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Still I don’t think this is a trade that necessarily increases the value of Larkin. He’s locked up for more term, which could increase his value, but he’s also consistently declined in play the last 3 seasons and he’s about to turn 30. I don’t think he’s a sure thing as a 1C & I think there’s some risk to having him locked up for another 5 years.

I personally think his value is closer to Trocheck than it is to Tkachuk. He’ll return more than Trocheck does, but I don’t think it’s going to be equivalent to Tkachuk.

I don't think it increases or decreases his value. They're two different players in two different positions with two different contracts, and I don't think Florida was ever truly in the market for Larkin. (I said as much, while predicting they were looking at Brady, 10 days ago)

The only thing this has done has made it clear on the board that Larkin isn't going for peanuts just because he has a full NTC.

 

[Petes2424]

Detroit fans, and also those who didn’t think Detroit’s return would be very good, should all look at what Florida paid for Brady, and conclude Detroit should do very well in the Larkin deal.

It’s a great example of the difference in leverage as well. Players with 2 years or less and an NMC have tremendous leverage.

Larkin having the 5 years left with a changing NTC that loses that leverage, being arguably a better player than Brady, and obviously playing the more important position, which is much more in demand….. should get more than Ottawa received from Florida.

That’s the overwhelming opinion tonight from scouts and evaluators. If a team thought they were gonna get Larkin at a discount, this Brady trade will likely push them, to either increase their offers, or move on.

Also, some think this trade may help push the Larkin trade to be completed before the draft, as it helps set the value better.

Heating it’s gonna be a fun two weeks coming up. Just heard the Devils might be sniffing around Larkin now too.

 

[Grinner]

Because when people say 4 1st value they usually don't mean late 1sts or distant future picks.

If Larkin got traded for 4 late 1sts would you consider that adequate value?

What Sens fans expected to get for Tkachuk was FAR from what they actually got.

Getting far less than what fans expected is the norm. Getting a overpay is mythical

 

[tomd]

Detroit fans, and also those who didn’t think Detroit’s return would be very good, should all look at what Florida paid for Brady, and conclude Detroit should do very well in the Larkin deal.

It’s a great example of the difference in leverage as well. Players with 2 years or less and an NMC have tremendous leverage.

Larkin having the 5 years left with a changing NTC that loses that leverage, being arguably a better player than Brady, and obviously playing the more important position, which is much more in demand….. should get more than Ottawa received from Florida.

That’s the overwhelming opinion tonight from scouts and evaluators. If a team thought they were gonna get Larkin at a discount, this Brady trade will likely push them, to either increase their offers, or move on.

Also, some think this trade may help push the Larkin trade to be completed before the draft, as it helps set the value better.

Heating it’s gonna be a fun two weeks coming up. Just heard the Devils might be sniffing around Larkin now too.

Seems to me that the Larkin trade has to be a hockey trade involving real NHL players in return. If Detroit gets a package of picks and prospects, their fans should demand Yzerman's head and rightly so.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Detroit fans, and also those who didn’t think Detroit’s return would be very good, should all look at what Florida paid for Brady, and conclude Detroit should do very well in the Larkin deal.

It’s a great example of the difference in leverage as well. Players with 2 years or less and an NMC have tremendous leverage.

Larkin having the 5 years left with a changing NTC that loses that leverage, being arguably a better player than Brady, and obviously playing the more important position, which is much more in demand….. should get more than Ottawa received from Florida.

That’s the overwhelming opinion tonight from scouts and evaluators. If a team thought they were gonna get Larkin at a discount, this Brady trade will likely push them, to either increase their offers, or move on.

Also, some think this trade may help push the Larkin trade to be completed before the draft, as it helps set the value better.

Heating it’s gonna be a fun two weeks coming up. Just heard the Devils might be sniffing around Larkin now too.

Eliminating positional need from the equation, I would take Brady over Larkin 7 days a week. Dude produces roughly the same over the last four years and is way more impactful away from the puck.

Now, while I'd take Brady over Larkin with that one factor in mind, that still doesn't mean their value comparison isn't affected by age, position, contract, etc.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Seems to me that the Larkin trade has to be a hockey trade involving real NHL players in return. If Detroit gets a package of picks and prospects, their fans should demand Yzerman's head and rightly so.

Larkin is going to have to be more open with his NTC, but he's not waiving to go to a dumpster fire team. If you send him to a competing team, they're not likely going to trade you good younger players, as they kinda want to keep those... They're competing, after all.

The chances of getting Larkin for good young NHL players directly is less than the chances of getting Larkin for picks and prospects and then flipping those assets for good young NHL players.

 

[chipbiscuit]

Yzerman stood strong and didn't flinch.

What? He paid to give him up lol

 

[Tetsuo]

Eliminating positional need from the equation, I would take Brady over Larkin 7 days a week. Dude produces roughly the same over the last four years and is way more impactful away from the puck.

Now, while I'd take Brady over Larkin with that one factor in mind, that still doesn't mean their value comparison isn't affected by age, position, contract, etc.

... but you cannot eliminate positional need, so this is moot.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

... but you cannot eliminate positional need, so this is moot.

This was primarily in response to the statement that Larkin is "Arguably a better player than Brady."

I brought up positional need to maintain that center status could keep Larkin's value up while still arguing that I think Brady is the better player.

 

[Petes2424]

Still I don’t think this is a trade that necessarily increases the value of Larkin. He’s locked up for more term, which could increase his value, but he’s also consistently declined in play the last 3 seasons and he’s about to turn 30. I don’t think he’s a sure thing as a 1C & I think there’s some risk to having him locked up for another 5 years.

I personally think his value is closer to Trocheck than it is to Tkachuk. He’ll return more than Trocheck does, but I don’t think it’s going to be equivalent to Tkachuk.

lol. Declined? He’s actually become a better all around player. He also plays a position that’s much more in demand than Brady. I honestly don’t know one evaluator who do this for a living, who thinks Brady is the better player. He offers some intangibles Dylan actually doesn’t, yet many people believe he does. The people in the know, see the difference though. That’s all Brady has on Larkin. Intangibles, and GMs don’t increase or decrease value in intangibles. Maybe when keeping a current player, but not in trade values.

Everyone I’ve talked to tonight believes this trade is great news for Detroit. Especially OTT getting that Top 10 pick, which they’ve believed Detroit would always get two of those. Either in picks or prospects who equate to a recent Top 10 pick, as well as two other pieces.