Value of: Dylan Cozens to the Flames

[DJN21]

Interesting. Rosen seems to be a guy who will provide good secondary offense and be able to be a zone entry guy. What would you think fair value is?

Well thats the funny part. Honestly unless its Coleman I cant imagine the Flames have much to trade. So then its just picks. We drafted and developed him for free to just get a lotto ticket or two....

This has been and will be a problem....we have kulich, rosen, helenius, wahlberg etc knocking on the door and no place to put them because we draft and draft and draft instead of making moves to bring in veteran players to help the bleeding now.

 

[Mattilaus]

Kadri's contract is no more "ick" than Cozens at this point in time.

Sure, must be why you offered him for Cozens then. You can keep him. I am sure the contract will be fine when he is 39 years old.

 

[spaghtti]

Cozens
Byram
Benson

for

EP40

That's a lot for someone that hasnt played well since the calendar turned to 2024

 

[Lunatik]

Sure, must be why you offered him for Cozens then. You can keep him. I am sure the contract will be fine when he is 39 years old.

Reading is hard for you hey?

1. My supposed "offer" was saying if the teams were in a certain place that maybe something could be BUILT AROUND those players. It's not like I was suggesting a 1-for-1 trade or anything.
2. Each contract has risks, denying that is just straight up being obtuse.

 

[3074326]

Reading is hard for you hey?

1. My supposed "offer" was saying if the teams were in a certain place that maybe something could be BUILT AROUND those players. It's not like I was suggesting a 1-for-1 trade or anything.
2. Each contract has risks, denying that is just straight up being obtuse.

Where did the other poster deny that they have risks? The only person being obtuse is you. Nobody wants that contract, especially when Kadri is 39. Implying that these contracts have equal risk is hilarious in a post where you're accusing someone of having poor reading comprehension.

 

[Lunatik]

Where did the other poster deny that they have risks? The only person being obtuse is you. Nobody wants that contract, especially when Kadri is 39. Implying that these contracts have equal risk is hilarious in a post where you're accusing someone of having poor reading comprehension.

Really? They seemed to be bothered that I suggested both had risks... and the risks are absolutely close to equal. Cozens hasn't shown he's a legitimate #2C yet and may not even be a long-term center. Kadri is older yes, but he's playing at a significantly higher level than Cozens and there is no reason to suggest that will change in the next couple years. So one either never lives up to the contract, the other just isn't worth it for the final year or 2

But congrats, you got to white knight someone because it's bad to call out stupidity now... and people wonder why society is getting collectively dumber all the time

 

[Unbiased Fan]

what is the Sabre's timeline?

Well they haven’t made the playoffs in 13 years so I’m assuming they’re do for a “all in”

 

[BB79]

I'm not ready to give up on Cozens yet.

 

[Grinner]

Really? They seemed to be bothered that I suggested both had risks... and the risks are absolutely close to equal. Cozens hasn't shown he's a legitimate #2C yet and may not even be a long-term center. Kadri is older yes, but he's playing at a significantly higher level than Cozens and there is no reason to suggest that will change in the next couple years. So one either never lives up to the contract, the other just isn't worth it for the final year or 2

But congrats, you got to white knight someone because it's bad to call out stupidity now... and people wonder why society is getting collectively dumber all the time

Talk about stupid

 

[DingDongCharlie]

If Rasmus told the Flames he wouldn't sign, trading 1.5 years of him for Cozens could make sense for Calgary. Cozens is a long term asset. Obviously if Calgary's pro scouts were high on Cozens they would probably be okay with the risk around his contract. It's risky for Buffalo as no guarantee RA would sign. He fills one hole while opening another. I do think he'd solidify their D core. Top pairing, right shot D.

Whichever poster mentioned Rasmus added why too much in the ask, but if they could work a deal around the 2 they should least consider it. If RA will sign in Calgary they should look elsewhere for a center. I also agree with the poster who said the time for a RA for Cozens trade would have been before doing the Mitts trade.

 

[Dietpepsi]

Zary + Unprotected first would be a good start to a trade for Cousins

 

[Bond]

Zary + Unprotected first would be a good start to a trade for Cousins

I’d rather keep Zary

 

[Double Dion]

Well thats the funny part. Honestly unless its Coleman I cant imagine the Flames have much to trade. So then its just picks. We drafted and developed him for free to just get a lotto ticket or two....

This has been and will be a problem....we have kulich, rosen, helenius, wahlberg etc knocking on the door and no place to put them because we draft and draft and draft instead of making moves to bring in veteran players to help the bleeding now.

I've felt Buffalo needs some Coleman/Backlund type vets for a few years. I'd move Coleman, but it would need to be more than Rosen. Not sure exactly what, but something.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

I actually think Kadri could be a big piece to help elevate the Sabres. So far he's aging well and they need veterans who bring intensity. That team just snoozes.

Because of his age, Kadri's value isn't super high, despite his higher level of play. But at the same time Cozens' value isn't high either, having underperformed his deal. So I think it makes sense. I would guess the Flames would still need to add a good pick/prospect to help even out the long term aspect of the deal.

In a larger trade, forward and D for forward and D for example, I think Cozens and Kadri makes sense. However, I think Cozens would bring back a more valuable player (Andersson or Weegar) and Kadri would bring back a less valuable player (Byram or Jokiharju). This isn't to say that the deal would just be 2 players for 2 players. One team or the other could be adding a pick or prospect or both for the value to make sense, but from a roster perspective, I can't see Buffalo being interested in Kadri being the main roster piece coming back in a Cozens deal.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

According to some of the Flames fans-with-ties Calgary has been sniffing around Krebs which makes a lot more sense given the contract status of Cozens. What would a Krebs deal look like from a Buffalo POV?

The Flames fans-with-ties? That a club?

 

[majormajor]

In a larger trade, forward and D for forward and D for example, I think Cozens and Kadri makes sense. However, I think Cozens would bring back a more valuable player (Andersson or Weegar) and Kadri would bring back a less valuable player (Byram or Jokiharju). This isn't to say that the deal would just be 2 players for 2 players. One team or the other could be adding a pick or prospect or both for the value to make sense, but from a roster perspective, I can't see Buffalo being interested in Kadri being the main roster piece coming back in a Cozens deal.

I think in terms of generic value you are correct. I think in terms actual fit Kadri works better for the Sabres. There just needs to be value added to him by the Flames. That's just my (non-Sabres fan) view of what the Sabres should do.

 

[Mattilaus]

Really? They seemed to be bothered that I suggested both had risks... and the risks are absolutely close to equal. Cozens hasn't shown he's a legitimate #2C yet and may not even be a long-term center. Kadri is older yes, but he's playing at a significantly higher level than Cozens and there is no reason to suggest that will change in the next couple years. So one either never lives up to the contract, the other just isn't worth it for the final year or 2

But congrats, you got to white knight someone because it's bad to call out stupidity now... and people wonder why society is getting collectively dumber all the time

Wait, I am the one that seemed bothered? You are the one who started with the personal attacks, saying I can't read and now calling me stupid in this post. Did you even want a discussion or do you want us all to agree with you lest you just levy insults at us?

Oh sorry, I guess the world is getting dumber unless you are able to insult people needlessly as a form of debate. Maybe if you need to insult the other person to try and make your point, your point just might not be very good.

 

[Butt Ox]

I think Buffalo know what they have. Cozens can hawkey pretty good. Swap # w/Quinn already and start grinding.

 

[elchud]

We've seen Thompson and Mittelstadt do the late bloomer thing. We forget how young these kids are.

Cozens may eventually exit the team, but at least one of Ostlund/Helenius would have to be NHL ready.

 

[ORRFForever]

After seeing Cozens at the World Championships - where he dominated many games, it is obvious he needs a fresh start outside of Buffalo.

 

[Lunatik]

Wait, I am the one that seemed bothered? You are the one who started with the personal attacks, saying I can't read and now calling me stupid in this post. Did you even want a discussion or do you want us all to agree with you lest you just levy insults at us?

Oh sorry, I guess the world is getting dumber unless you are able to insult people needlessly as a form of debate. Maybe if you need to insult the other person to try and make your point, your point just might not be very good.

Debate? You immediately twisted things I said. But you do you Donald.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Really? They seemed to be bothered that I suggested both had risks... and the risks are absolutely close to equal. Cozens hasn't shown he's a legitimate #2C yet and may not even be a long-term center. Kadri is older yes, but he's playing at a significantly higher level than Cozens and there is no reason to suggest that will change in the next couple years. So one either never lives up to the contract, the other just isn't worth it for the final year or 2

But congrats, you got to white knight someone because it's bad to call out stupidity now... and people wonder why society is getting collectively dumber all the time

Just yesterday, you tried to call out someone for a fat joke about an athlete, now you’re trying to insult people’s intelligence for disagreeing with you. Be better, man.

 

[Mattilaus]

Debate? You immediately twisted things I said. But you do you Donald.

If I did then I am unaware. Show me where I twisted what you said and I will happily apologize for misunderstanding you. That is, if I am not too stupid to read it.

EDIT: based off my short review of the comments it seems to have gone like this:

You: something around cozens for kadri?
me: No thanks on kadri, that contract is ick
you: Both contracts are ick, but cozens is even worse
me: then why offer him for cozens? you can keep him
You: You are stupid and can't read

Where did I misunderstand?

 

[Volica]

The Flames fans-with-ties? That a club?

No, but there's a few guys on Flames social media and the other Flames-centric forum that have some ties to the organization. They've been dead right on a number of occasions, so when they tend to talk about something it's worth a listen. Also pretty good at feeling the pulse of the team, which tends to differ from the fan opinion.

 

[Lunatik]

If I did then I am unaware. Show me where I twisted what you said and I will happily apologize for misunderstanding you. That is, if I am not too stupid to read it.

EDIT: based off my short review of the comments it seems to have gone like this:

You: something around cozens for kadri?
me: No thanks on kadri, that contract is ick
you: Both contracts are ick, but cozens is even worse
me: then why offer him for cozens? you can keep him
You: You are stupid and can't read

Where did I misunderstand?

I never said both contracts were ick, you made that assumption because for some reason you think Kadri getting paid as a 2nd line C when he's been playing like a #1C is "ick", because he's 39 when it ends, completely ignoring that he's put up his 2 best seasons of his career in the past 3 seasons and has really grown into being a great leader on a young team.

I also never said Cozens contract was worse, I implied they carried a similar amount of risk, but for different reasons.

So you know, you only misunderstood pretty much everything I said.