Value of: Dumping Campbell with 1.5 retained

[Kaibur]

The Yotes have Voracek and Little coming off the books this summer. They'd make a lot of sense to buy him out.

Voracek and Little were both insured and cost next to nothing in cash.
Campbell buyout this summer costs $9M in cash; 50% retention costs $6.75M.

Compare other Coyotes cash and cap for pick trades:
Stralman (owed $5.5M w/1 year left - played 1 year - cost 2nd + Kolychonok
Nemeth (owed $6M w/2 years left - played 1 year, bought out $3.5M - cost: 2 x 2nd round picks)
Kassian (owed $5.8M w/2 years left - "played" 1 yr, bought out $2.3M - cost 2nd, 3rd, swap of 3 spots in late 1st)

At 50% this summer, Campbell is still owed $6.75M, which with the increase in cap, is roughly in line with the same percentage of cap at the time Stralman, Nemeth, and Kassian were traded, except it's over 3 years.

Campbell @50% + '24 2nd + '26 2nd would seem like the approximate cost to the Coyotes based on their past cash/cap deals.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Why cant edmonton do like everyone else. Callup, fake injury, ltir, profit.

Use your brain Holland

 

[lukeleim]

Edmonton Oilers
Mario Ferraro
Mikael Granlund

San Jose Sharks
Jack Campbell
Brett Kulak
Philip Broberg
Xavier Bourgault
2024 1st round pick (EDM)

 

[HuGort]

I realize trading Campbell is going to cost assets but why trade two 1st round picks+ in order to move him when you can buy him out in the summer and save all those assets. I don’t doubt it would be expensive to get a team to take Campbell but the cheap buyout is the much smarter option.

Save this season plus you get full caproom for next 6 years

 

[mouser]

The Yotes have Voracek and Little coming off the books this summer. They'd make a lot of sense to buy him out.

That makes absolutely zero sense for Arizona.

A Campbell buyout this summer would be $1.5m in real cash for $1.1m in buyout cap hit in 2024-25. Over the entire buyout term it's $9m in real cash for $10.5m in total cap hits. Add in the ~$2m Campbell has remaining this season brings it to $11m in real cash.

That $11m in cash still looks like a 1st + two 2nds from Edmonton to AZ to dump Campbell.

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

That makes absolutely zero sense for Arizona.

A Campbell buyout this summer would be $1.5m in real cash for $1.1m in buyout cap hit in 2024-25. Over the entire buyout term it's $9m in real cash for $10.5m in total cap hits. Add in the ~$2m Campbell has remaining this season brings it to $11m in real cash.

That $11m in cash still looks like a 1st + two 2nds from Edmonton to AZ to dump Campbell.

Yeah, I didn't say they'd take him for free, just that they would be a good destination.

 

[McSuper]

the hawks are probably one of if not the best fit at this point. there is just no way the next 2 years we will be anywhere near the cap. my guess is a 1st and 2nd and Campbell at 3.5 with mzarek going back at 50%. 2nd this year and 1st next year. top 12 protected.

Done. Fax the paper work

 

[Hawkaholic]

I don't see the Hawks being interested.

 

[kmwtrucks]

I don't see the Hawks being interested.

we are only 1/2 to the salary cap for next year with current contracts. and other then jones they are 1 or 2 years. makes more sense to get a 1st and 2nd for some one overpaid then just overpay someone for no asset. AA, Foligno, at some point we are going to use future picks to acquire players. better to have extra. Cap space is a asset hawks are in no position to squander assets right now.

 

[Hawkaholic]

we are only 1/2 to the salary cap for next year with current contracts. and other then jones they are 1 or 2 years. makes more sense to get a 1st and 2nd for some one overpaid then just overpay someone for no asset. AA, Foligno, at some point we are going to use future picks to acquire players. better to have extra. Cap space is a asset hawks are in no position to squander assets right now.

I think the Hawks want to solidify the goaltending so they aren't getting blown out every single night. They already have enough 1st and 2nds that adding late 1sts and late 2nds isn't going to do much for them.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

If you can get Fleury to waive and come here, I think you keep Campbell till the offseason.

Kulak to Arizona for the Oilers 2024 3rd pick
Fleury with 50% retention for 2024 2nd and a B prospect
Call up Broberg

Nuge-McDavid-Hyman
Holloway-Draisaitl-Foegele
Kane-McLeod-Perry
Janmark-Ryan-Brown
Gagner

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Ceci
Broberg-Desharnais
Kemp

Skinner
Fleury

With cap space if you want to upgrade any of the other forwards.

Flower won't play in Canada. He rejected a trade to Calgary when it was rumoured 5years ago him going there.

 

[kmwtrucks]

I think the Hawks want to solidify the goaltending so they aren't getting blown out every single night. They already have enough 1st and 2nds that adding late 1sts and late 2nds isn't going to do much for them.

campbell is in the AHL right now. I never said he had to play on the hawks 23-24 team. a 1st and 2nd can get you a young player. I guess you could just not use 20 mil in cap space the next few years and then when you are ready to start acquiring player us your 1st and 2nd round picks. Just does not make any sense if you are trying to manage assets and the cap. I agree you cannot draft that many but you can use those future assets to acquire a player like Detroit did with CAT. or OTT did with Chruyn, or vancouver did with honesk.

 

[mkatcherin00]

Soup is heating up. The bowl is almost untouchable right now unless you wear oven mitts. Step right up. Which GM is going to be the smart one here.

I am all for bringing him back up and throwing him in some games to show the other GM's. But then again, the Oilers top team defensive play might make GM's think it's all them and not Campbell.

Tricky situation.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

Flower won't play in Canada. He rejected a trade to Calgary when it was rumoured 5years ago him going there.

Big difference from 5 years ago to now. If the Wild are out, I could see him accepting a trade to a playoff team that could play him considering he is tied with Fuhr in playoff wins. Oilers make a lot of sense as a team that has a good shot and could use/play him.

 

[Homesick]

I don't see the Hawks being interested.

Hawks took Mrazek for two years to move up a dozen spots in the draft. He was just as bad and had some groin injury concerns as well

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Oilers are a wagon again, Corey Perry signing is a NICE little add as long as the moms are locked away.

I know trading Jack Campbell has been beaten to death as an impossible task -price to move him likely being somewhere from 1st + 2nd to 2 1sts- and it doesn't make sense for the Oilers to do that given what a summer buyout looks like. That being said, Oilers window is wide open but they could still use a top 4 upgrade and a better goalie to pair with Skinner. They need the cap space now and don't really have other options to create it.

So curious what the cost of dumping Campbell at 3.5 would be? What would they have to add to Campbell @3.5 to send him to a rebuilder, say for Mrazek @50% or Kahkonen? Even if the acquiring team bought Campbell out in the summer of 2025, I don't really see tying up a retention slot long-term as an issue for Edmonton

As a Sharks fan, Campbell at 3.5 mil for Kahkonen, I would want a 1st and a 2nd.

 

[Jared Dunn]

As a Sharks fan, Campbell at 3.5 mil for Kahkonen, I would want a 1st and a 2nd.

Fairly in line with what I expected, 2ndish for Kahkonen, 1stish to dump that Campbell money

 

[Jared Dunn]

I think the Hawks want to solidify the goaltending so they aren't getting blown out every single night. They already have enough 1st and 2nds that adding late 1sts and late 2nds isn't going to do much for them.

With how much cap space the Hawks will have they could make that trade and then go out and sign Mrazek or another goalie anyways, Campbell's buried cap hit really won't restrict that and if a miracle happens and he gets his game back you can flip him again at 50% next summer, or just buy him out when Bedard extension comes around

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Fairly in line with what I expected, 2ndish for Kahkonen, 1stish to dump that Campbell money

Both picks are pretty much for taking on Campbell's contract. I'd put Kahkonen's trade value at around a 4th round pick. If Edmonton is willing to give us those two picks to take on Campbell, I'm alright with tossing in Kahkonen for basically nothing because the 4th round pick is a take it or leave it sort of thing. I'm interested in acquiring 1st and 2nd round picks through whatever means make sense.

 

[TFHockey]

Off season trade so there's one less year left on his deal, $1.5 Million is the most the Oilers will retain. I agree on that.

Trading 1sts to move Campbell doesn't seem like a smart move for a franchise that has a mediocre prospect pool at best.

Either that or a buyout.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Off season trade so there's one less year left on his deal, $1.5 Million is the most the Oilers will retain. I agree on that.

Trading 1sts to move Campbell doesn't seem like a smart move for a franchise that has a mediocre prospect pool at best.

Either that or a buyout.

I agree and I think the cost to move the full cap is way too high to make sense when his buyout is relatively digestible. I don't think the extra 20ish games that a team would have to take on Campbell would inflate the price significantly if at all, and my whole idea with doing this in season is to strike while the iron is hot, and if you can fill the need of a backup upgrade while dumping most of Campbell to create more cap space for a D I would say that's a win. As good as they are I think they still have to fill those two holes, and they aren't really going to benefit from the cap increase next year due to the bonus overages so why not try to really go all in this year?

 

[Spawn]

Oilers are better off buying him out in the summer rather than using assets to move him if they need to retain.

 

[Homesick]

As a Sharks fan, Campbell at 3.5 mil for Kahkonen, I would want a 1st and a 2nd.

The Leafs dropped 13 spots to rid themselves of Mrazek(just as bad and had injury issues).
So 13 spots for 7.2m.
Obviously there's extra term and the cap hit is higher(salary is 5.4, 4.2, and 3.9=13.5)

Kahkonen has value but retaining on Campbell really does not improve the Oilers situation to make other moves. In saying that I would do your deal with zero retention

 

[Spawn]

Flower won't play in Canada. He rejected a trade to Calgary when it was rumoured 5years ago him going there.

To be fair there’s a difference between being traded to a team when you’ve still got years left on a career versus one last shot at a cup in the final months of your career.

 

[TheNumber4]

As a Sharks fan, Campbell at 3.5 mil for Kahkonen, I would want a 1st and a 2nd.

Campbell buried in the minors is 3.8M. We could give you your 1st and 2nd and take back Kahkonnen or Blackwood (your choice) but with 1.5M retention on Campbell it kills any reason for the Oilers to give up the 1st and 2nd

Campbell
1st
2nd

For

Kahkkonen (50% retained as he’s a rental UFA)