Dumba hit on Pavelski

[Walkingthroughforest]

Clean hit. Not at all late, the NHL has always allowed players to finish their checks.

Most damage seems like it came from Pav’s hitting the ice.

Shouldn’t have even been a penalty.

 

[TaLoN]

Dumba had no intention of playing the puck and had him lined up for days- which is charging.

He coasted into it... his skates are on the ice... what is even remotely charging about this?

 

[HofT]

Clean hit. Not at all late. Most damage seems like it came from Pav’s hitting the ice.

Shouldn’t have even been a penalty.

It's a penalty because it's a late hit but not major/suspension worthy

 

[Walkingthroughforest]

It's a penalty because it's a late hit but not major/suspension worthy

It’s not late. It’s well within the allowable time to check a player once they release possession.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Hits this "late" happen multiple times during every single shift in the NHL. Hundreds of times a game.

 

[HofT]

It’s not late. It’s well within the allowable time to check a player once they release possession.

It's late since Pavelski had already released the puck and was now in a vulnerable position in which then Dumba made an unnecessary hit on him. That's why it was a penalty. But it wasn't egregiously late either and that's why it wasn't a major or suspension.

 

[TaLoN]

It's a penalty because it's a late hit but not major/suspension worthy

It wasn't a penalty at all. The hit itself was not penalized after review.
Dumba was left with only a roughing call for the action with Domi after the fact.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

It's late since Pavelski had already released the puck and was now in a vulnerable position in which then Dumba made an unnecessary hit on him. That's why it was a penalty. But it wasn't egregiously late either and that's why it wasn't a major or suspension.

It wasn't a penalty at all.

 

[Walkingthroughforest]

It's late since Pavelski had already released the puck and was now in a vulnerable position in which then Dumba made an unnecessary hit on him. That's why it was a penalty. But it wasn't egregiously late either and that's why it wasn't a major or suspension.

That’s not correct. A “late hit” is defined as a hit where the opponent has released the puck and the offending player does not make immediate contact with the opposing player.

Dumba makes immediate contact with Pavelski after he releases the puck. The time between the puck being shot and the hit being laid is approximately 0.5 of a second.

This has always been a legal hit and is not interference. Refs are whistle happy whenever they see a big hit, but this shouldn’t have even been a 2.

 

[HofT]

It wasn't a penalty at all. The hit itself was not penalized after review.
Dumba was left with only a roughing call for the action with Domi after the fact.

You're right. My bad, I made a mistake on that.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

No it doesn't. In the NHL you're allowed to finish your checks after the guy gets rid of the puck.



That's crazy, Pavelski had the puck a mere second prior.

The puck was passed before Dumba committed to the hit. Maybe he had it in his mind to hit before the pass, but video don’t lie. Refs missed an interference call.

 

[HofT]

That’s not correct. A “late hit” is defined as a hit where the opponent has released the puck and the offending player does not make immediate contact with the opposing player.

Dumba makes immediate contact with Pavelski after he releases the puck. The time between the puck being shot and the hit being laid is approximately 0.5 of a second.

This has always been a legal hit and is not interference. Refs are whistle happy whenever they see a big hit, but this shouldn’t have even been a 2.

What I described as a late hit is correct? A hit is considered "late" if it is delivered after an opponent has released the puck and is then in a vulnerable position. And especially if the hitter has the ability to hold up or avoid the collision but chooses to make contact anyway

 

[MuckOG]

It's late since Pavelski had already released the puck and was now in a vulnerable position in which then Dumba made an unnecessary hit on him. That's why it was a penalty. But it wasn't egregiously late either and that's why it wasn't a major or suspension.

Dumba was already committed to the hit while Pavelski was releasing the puck and made contact less than .6 seconds later, within the allowable timeframe.

And there was no penalty because it was rescinded. The minor was for his scuffle with Domi.

 

[Walkingthroughforest]

What I described as a late hit is correct? A hit is considered "late" if it is delivered after an opponent has released the puck and is then in a vulnerable position

You’re conflating two separate concepts. A late hit does not necessarily mean a player is in a vulnerable position.

It doesn’t matter if Joe had his head down and made himself vulnerable, it was a legal hit and that factor does not make it late according to the NHL rule books.

 

[HofT]

You’re conflating two separate concepts. A late hit does not necessarily mean a player is in a vulnerable position.

It doesn’t matter if Joe had his head down, it was a legal hit and it was not late according to the NHL rule books.

I'll describe it in other words. A late hit is a check or body contact that occurs when the opponent is no longer in possession of the puck and is unable to protect themselves, and the hitter has the ability to hold up or avoid the collision but chooses to make contact anyway.

 

[MuckOG]

I'll describe it in other words. A late hit is a check or body contact that occurs when the opponent is no longer in possession of the puck or is unable to protect themselves, and the hitter has the ability to hold up or avoid the collision but chooses to make contact anyway.

The rule allows contact within a certain amount of time after the player no longer has the puck. And saying Dumba could've held back indicates a lack of understanding with how fast the game is. Of course it looks late in slow motion, but players dont play in slow motion.

 

[HofT]

The rule allows contact within a certain amount of time after the player no longer has the puck. And saying Dumba could've held back indicates a lack of understanding with how fast the game is. Of course it looks late in slow motion, but players dont play in slow motion.

If you read my posts, I said it wasn't egregiously late.

 

[AKL]

If you read my posts, I said it wasn't egregiously late.

It wasn't "late" at all.

 

[HofT]

It wasn't "late" at all.

It's a fine line but I think it was a touch late. But not egregious

 

[AKL]

It's a fine line but I think it was a touch late. But not egregious

It's not late if it's within the allowable time as laid out by the rulebook. Nothing else matters.

 

[Walkingthroughforest]

It's a fine line but I think it was a touch late. But not egregious

It wasn’t late by the rules. If it was, there would have been a penalty.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

It's late since Pavelski had already released the puck and was now in a vulnerable position in which then Dumba made an unnecessary hit on him. That's why it was a penalty. But it wasn't egregiously late either and that's why it wasn't a major or suspension.

Not only that but it was predatory as Dumba was intentionally lurking in his teammates shadow while stalking Pavelski. This was not about separating the puck carrier from the puck but about trying to inflict as much damage as possible without throwing a head shot.

It wasn’t late by the rules. If it was, there would have been a penalty.

Right because referees always make the right call and never blow a call.....

The Earth must be flat because if it wasn't there wouldn't be any flat earthers

 

[Walkingthroughforest]

Not only that but it was predatory as Dumba was intentionally lurking in his teammates shadow while stalking Pavelski. This was not about separating the puck carrier from the puck but about trying to inflict as much damage as possible without throwing a head shot.



Right because referees always make the right call and never blow a call.....

The Earth must be flat because if it wasn't there wouldn't be any flat earthers

A) This play is laid out in the NHL rule books as being legal
B) This specific play was reviewed and was concluded to be clean.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

A) This play is laid out in the NHL rule books as being legal
B) This specific play was reviewed and was concluded to be clean.

You are not understanding......officials get this stuff wrong all the time. It was definitely borderline and I am not looking for a suspension but it is sneaky, dangerous behaviour that Dumba has made a habit of for his entire career.

 

[Walkingthroughforest]

You are not understanding......officials get this stuff wrong all the time. It was definitely borderline and I am not looking for a suspension but it is sneaky, dangerous behaviour that Dumba has made a habit of for his entire career.

I don’t think you’re understanding. I have no dog in this fight, I am a fan of neither team.

As a neutral observer, Dumba followed the NHL rule book correctly (and as I’ve understood it for over 20 years) and then when the NHL reviewed it, they came to the same conclusion.

You can have whatever thoughts you want on Dumba, which is fine, but this specific hit was, and always has been, legal.

The timing is no different than this hit, which has been shown on highlight reels for over a decade.