Dumba hit on Pavelski

[JimEIV]

Reviewing hits in game is the most ridiculous concept ever.

Game is being played at 30 mph and people are super slow-mo'ing to see if the shoulder was two inches too high towards the head... absolutely absurd

Not a fan of either team, no horse in the race. I thought the hit was fine and unfortunate for Joe.

 

[BagHead]

A bit late and I think evening up 4v4 was a lazy attempt to maintain control.

No fines/suspension necessary. However Dumba cackling and taunting in the penalty box was a brutal reflection of character. He knew the result even if the intent was clean.

Are you suggesting he was taunting Pavelski during that? He was also having words with Domi and the refs during that sequence. You don't think his reaction may have been to either of them instead? I've seen Dumba his whole career, and I've seen him smile and laugh at players who are trash talking him, I've seen him laugh in disbelief at a call on the ice, but I've never seen him happy and laughing because he hurt someone. It's not impossible, but this would be out of character, IMO.

 

[Ezekial]

They didn't even announce Domi's roughing until after the major review. The only thing announced prior was the major. They had likely called the roughing at the same time they called Domi's roughing but didn't announce it until after they cleared up the major situation.

Dumba threw gloved punches at Domi and that is roughing. Dumba did not throw anything at Pavs other than the hit, which was deemed clean, thus no major, no interference.
By rule, the only thing Dumba did was throw gloved punches at Domi - which is a roughing call, which is what he got.

EDIT: I WAS WRONG, STATISTICIAN DID GET IT WRONG ON THE WEBSITE. LUXMORE ANNOUNCED NO PENALTY ON HIT.

 

[TaLoN]

Man, imagine being so dead set on being wrong about something.

Read the rules and tell me what Dumba did that would be "roughing" on Pavelski. You're the one trying to say a clear accounting error which happens, proof.

The rules themselves show it couldn't have been related to Pavelski. The NHL explanation on why it's not getting further action even explained every aspect of the hit was deemed acceptable by rule.

Yea the statistician is wrong and they didn't reduce the penalty they made it not a penalty and called something else even though they can't do that. You got it bud.

No, review didn't make it something else, review cleared out that penalty completely and left only the roughing with Domi after the fact.
They didn't announce Domi's roughing prior to review, are you saying review added that too? I doubt it. The roughing calls were just not announced prior to the review. Nothing more.

 

[HuskyBruinPride]

Weird how the initial reaction in this thread was that the hit was late. It came just after Pavelski got rid of the puck, not late that's called finishing your check. That's good playoff hockey, just an unfortunate outcome for Pavelski.

 

[AKL]

Man, imagine being so dead set on being wrong about something.

Yea the statistician is wrong and they didn't reduce the penalty they made it not a penalty and called something else even though they can't do that. You got it bud.

The only rule change to the NHL rule book in 2022-23

Keep fighting the good fight though pal, you're doing great

 

[Ezekial]

Read the rules and tell me what Dumba did that would be "roughing" on Pavelski. You're the one trying to say a clear accounting error which happens, proof.

The rules themselves show it couldn't have been related to Pavelski. The NHL explanation on why it's not getting further action even explained every aspect of the hit was deemed acceptable by rule.

I don't agree that it was roughing

But that's what f***ing happened

They called a penalty on Dumba for what he did to Pavelski
They reviewed it
They reduced it to 2 mins

That's what happened.

 

[TaLoN]

I don't agree that it was roughing

But that's what f***ing happened

They called a penalty on Dumba for what he did to Pavelski
They reviewed it
They reduced it to 2 mins

That's what happened.

That's not what happened. That's just what you want to believe happened. The roughing was matching with Domi... the rules show that... sorry an accountant confused you.

 

[Ezekial]

The only rule change to the NHL rule book in 2022-23

Keep fighting the good fight though pal, you're doing great

I literally said they can do that
They can keep it 5
They can reduce it
They can say it wasn't a penalty


What they can't do: call a different penalty based on the review

In this case they announced AFTER REVIEW THE CALL HAS BEEN REDUCED TO A 2 MIN MINOR

 

[AKL]

Weird how the initial reaction in this thread was that the hit was late. It came just after Pavelski got rid of the puck, not late that's called finishing your check. That's good playoff hockey, just an unfortunate outcome for Pavelski.

Yeah I'm dumbfounded at how many people think it was "late". In the NHL, you're allowed to finish checks after the guy moves the puck. As far as I know that hasn't changed.

 

[TaLoN]

I literally said they can do that
They can keep it 5
They can reduce it
They can say it wasn't a penalty


What they can't do: call a different penalty based on the review

In this case they announced AFTER REVIEW THE CALL HAS BEEN REDUCED TO A 2 MIN MINOR

They DIDN'T call a different penalty after review.

You haven't explained why Domi's roughing call was made after the review if you think Dumba's is related to the review.

 

[Ezekial]

That's not what happened. That's just what you want to believe happened. The roughing was matching with Domi... the rules show that... sorry an accountant confused you.

E I was still wrong

 

[bossram]

I don't think it is fair to compare acting as a general manager of a pro hockey team with making decisions on a player safety committee. GM's are hired to be fired and their decisions are far more abstract, speculative and strategic than a group of people trying to decide appropriate punishment on specific hockey plays. "Experience" plays a much greater role in the latter.

I think a very smart, Ivy league school graduate, with more than a decade of pro hockey experience is more than just "a former goon" and sounds exactly like the kind of guy that would be good at running the DOPS.

I would argue the opposite. If anything, because the job of GM is, in your words, more "abtract", then experience should play a large role. Need to have a "feel" of the players at the GM's disposal. Application of rules and punishment should be much clearer, more black-and-white. There should be less room for free-lancing in that realm.

Is Parros smart? I don't know. His tenure as head of DOPS doesn't really give me much confidence with that. And his other post-NHL playing career work includes starting a t-shirt company. So...does making t-shirts qualify him for the job?

 

[TaLoN]

In this case they announced AFTER REVIEW THE CALL HAS BEEN REDUCED TO A 2 MIN MINOR

They said no such thing.

They said they found no major.
They then separately announced roughing calls on BOTH Dumba and Domi, plus a 10 min misconduct on Domi
They NEVER said "reduced"

 

[TaLoN]

The calls on the ice by the officials disagree with you. The ones they made during the game.

See my above post, you are clearly remembering wrong

 

[AKL]

In this case they announced AFTER REVIEW THE CALL HAS BEEN REDUCED TO A 2 MIN MINOR

"After review, there was no major penalty on the play. The penalties as called were Dallas number 18, minor penalty for roughing and a 10 minute misconduct for continuing. Minnesota 24, minor for roughing. Teams will play 4 on 4 for 2 minutes"

Nothing about the major being reduced to the roughing minor. Keep going though, I'm really proud of how well you're doing here.

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

I had to look that one up because I also thought all they could do is downgrade to a minor. Apparently, the rule changed at the beginning of this season.

Here’s the updated rule, change in bold:

The Referee shall have the following options after video review of his own call: (i) confirming his original Major Penalty call; (ii) reducing his original Major Penalty call to a lesser penalty; or (iii) rescinding the original Major Penalty altogether.

The old rule also required the officials downgrade the penalty to a lesser penalty of the same infraction. That is no longer the case. A major boarding penalty could, after review, be downgraded to a minor for cross-checking.

I guess if you can negate a goal or an icing by overturning it completely it makes some sense to be able to overturn your own penalty call. In some ways, it really takes away a little from respect the refs really don't have much of anyway. Still, as a Stars fan who saw it live right in front of me, I have a hard time believing the hit didn't deserve something, as many times, they call the injury as much as the infraction. Just not last night. The ref didn't put up his arm until he saw Pavs was hurt, so maybe he called it in such a way that it could be reviewed as he wasn't sure.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Does this draw attention from the league? Called a 5 min major. Edit: They reviewed and called this back as 2 for roughing

Clean hit or not. "If you hit my star hard I am going to hit yours hard". That is the code as it were.

As one player was told about hitting Gretzky too hard (outside of Semenko settling the score if they did) , "he is responsible for our bigger salaries".

Indeed...

 

[tarheelhockey]

The irony of this post in this thread is hilarious to me. Especially after your other post in this thread.

What part of it? I said I hadn’t seen an angle that showed whether it was an actually illegal check, but that I didn’t like a hit initiated after a player releases the puck.

There’s a big difference in safety between a frontal high hit on a target who has just released the puck, and a dorsal low hit on someone who is voluntarily setting up shop right in front of the net. Regardless of legality, one of those scenarios is a lot more likely to cause serious injury than the other.

The slow-mo makes it not look as bad.

Quite possibly so. I haven’t seen it at full speed and I know what you mean about slow-mo taking some of the apparent force out of it.

I do feel like you’d sing a different tune if that was Aho.

I’d be salty about it, especially if it were the second time he was crosschecked hard by the same guy in that same spot on his back, but I fully expect him to get targeted if he’s just standing in front of the goalie like that, especially with the puck in the vicinity. Right or wrong, this is the time of year that anyone near the net is getting that kind of contact. They know to expect it.

 

[Oilers]

Hit was abit late, but didn’t look overly dirty.

What makes it worse is it happens to Pavelski, who doesn’t love Pavs!? And Dumba laughin in the penalty box makes me hate him

 

[Ezekial]

[/QUOTE]

See my above post, you are clearly remembering wrong

No, you seem to think when Domi's penalty was announced matters.

I watched the ref go to center ice and say the original call was reduced to 2 mins.

Unless you're arguing that Dumba got a 5 min major for getting jumped and that was reduced. Then IDK what to tell you, you'll never be found.

 

[TaLoN]

No, you seem to think when Domi's penalty was announced matters.

I watched the ref go to center ice and say the original call was reduced to 2 mins.

Unless you're arguing that Dumba got a 5 min major for getting jumped and that was reduced. Then IDK what to tell you, you'll never be found.

This was the exact quote from the ref...

"After review, there was no major penalty on the play. The penalties as called were Dallas number 18, minor penalty for roughing and a 10 minute misconduct for continuing. Minnesota 24, minor for roughing. Teams will play 4 on 4 for 2 minutes"

NOTHING about reducing ANYTHING.
Roughing was a completely separate call.

 

[AKL]

I watched the ref go to center ice and say the original call was reduced to 2 mins.

No you didn't because that didn't happen.



Really bang up job you're doing in here today, so well done.

 

[2014nyr]

If it's late then it's dirty. It's not hockey at all.


So you're good with throwing out the rule book and allowing dirty hits.

Cool.

a touch late isn't dirty...not sure how fast this game happens and when the puck is moved vs when dumba is committed to the hit. thats 2 mins at most

 

[TaLoN]

a touch late isn't dirty...not sure how fast this game happens and when the puck is moved vs when dumba is committed to the hit. thats 2 mins at most

League deemed it not even that.