CBC Hot Stove: Duclair can be had for the right price

[Ducks in a row]

Vatanen for Duclair seems like a good move for both sides (after the season)

Anaheim takes care of their exp. draft and cap issues, and get a good youbng top 6 winger.

phoenix moves a strength for a weakness.


no need to come at me ducks in a row. more people feel its a good deal than those that dont

Look at the price for good young defenseman. A 1 for 1 trade is totally not a good deal with how valuable defenseman like Vatanen are. Other teams fans opinions on the Ducks is very low to me with with how many bad proposal have seen. Not surprised that there are Ducks fans that would do it but it doesn't make it a good deal 1 for 1. Coyotes need to add or it is terrible for us regardless of what anyone says including other Ducks fans.

 

[Halla]

Look at the price for good young defenseman. A 1 for 1 trade is totally not a good deal with how valuable defenseman like Vatanen are. Other teams fans opinions on the Ducks is very low to me with with how many bad proposal have seen. Not surprised that their are Ducks fans that would do it but it doesn't make it a good deal 1 for 1. Coyotes need to add or it is terrible for us regardless of what anyone says including other Ducks fans.

thats your opinion, which seems to be in the minority.
if vatanen is moved in the offseason, it won't be for an overpayment.
every gm will know they may have to risk him or silfverberg in the expansion draft if he isnt dealt. any team acquiring him has to expose one of the 3 dmen they were gonna keep, making it even riskier.

this deal is very fair. 44pts as a 21 year old rookie for a 5'9 offensive dman. Shed salary, get younger, solve exp. draft and cap issues. seems like many feel its a good deal, with only a couple thinking vatanen brings back a kings ransom

 

[Ducks Nation*]

thats your opinion, which seems to be in the minority.
if vatanen is moved in the offseason, it won't be for an overpayment.
every gm will know they may have to risk him or silfverberg in the expansion draft if he isnt dealt. any team acquiring him has to expose one of the 3 dmen they were gonna keep, making it even riskier.

this deal is very fair. 44pts as a 21 year old rookie for a 5'9 offensive dman. Shed salary, get younger, solve exp. draft and cap issues. seems like many feel its a good deal, with only a couple thinking vatanen brings back a kings ransom

There is no chance ducks lose Vatanen or Silf....that is not even the option the most likely person we lose is Manson and thats if we don't make a trade. Bieksa will waive or be bought out ducks are not going to keep him for a year and lose a player like Vatanen or Silfverberg.

 

[Ducks in a row]

thats your opinion, which seems to be in the minority.
if vatanen is moved in the offseason, it won't be for an overpayment.
every gm will know they may have to risk him or silfverberg in the expansion draft if he isnt dealt. any team acquiring him has to expose one of the 3 dmen they were gonna keep, making it even riskier.

this deal is very fair. 44pts as a 21 year old rookie for a 5'9 offensive dman. Shed salary, get younger, solve exp. draft issues. seems like many feel its a good deal, with only a couple thinking vatanen brings back a kings ransom

We don't need a overpayment even after season ends what we need is a fair one not a underpayment but what else is new? Other teams fans trying to underpay us keeps going on and on never to stop.

Why does Silfverberg keep getting brought up in relation to expansion draft? He isn't going to be exposed regardless of Vatanen.

He had a nice rookie season and now he is producing badly. Trading a good young defenseman like Vatanen 1 for 1 for Duclair terrible for Ducks.

 

[CanadienShark]

What would be the target pieces? Centres? Wingers? D-men?

I'd consider something like Tierney + 1st or Goldobin + 2nd.

Duclair - Thornton - Pavelski

That would be so awesome.

That offer of Vatanen is better though.

 

[tucknroll]

What would be the target pieces? Centres? Wingers? D-men?

I'd consider something like Tierney + 1st or Goldobin + 2nd.

Duclair - Thornton - Pavelski

That would be so awesome.

That offer of Vatanen is better though.

In a heartbeat for me, doubt the Sharks would ever offer that though

Vantanen is a good player and id way more than likely do that personally (from an Arizona perspective), but offensive RD is not a need for Arizona and the Ducks right side is not good without him so i don't think that would happen

 

[dracom]

Some real lack of knowledge of trade value in this thread. Vats for Duclair is a terrible return for us, especially if it's a one for one deal. Vats is just entering his prime years, on a great long term contract, plays the most sought after position, and has proven more than Duclair. Who had a good season, with a ridiculously high shooting %, possible character issues, in a position that is not as sought after.

If there is a deal between Vats and Duclair, the Coyotes are adding significantly. And no, where not going to give up Vats for cheap because of the draft, people who keep pushing the idea that GMs are going to give up key assets for cheap because of the draft continue to have no clue how trades work.

 

[SEALBound]

Duclair + Hanzal

for

Maatta + Bonino + Wilson

 

[liquiduck]

I don't really understand wy Arizona would be shopping young players right now.

 

[paulhiggins]

The guy never really increased his (unexceptional) yearly ppg numbers in junior. He was a third round pick. Traded before earning a permanent spot the Rangers. Looks more like a bust or a journeyman than something teams should be wasting good assets on or pencilling in on his new team's first line, LOL.

 

[Wayward Son]

Most players can be had for the right price.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Kypreos on HNIC: Teams are saying Duclair can be had for the right price.

he also said the Coyotes will be asking for a pretty penny

Every player is available for the right price-ask any oiler fan

 

[m302291]

Duclair + Hanzal

for

Maatta + Bonino + Wilson

wat?

regardless of what ARZ fans think, no no no no no for PIT.

1) Hanzal wouldn't be that big of an upgrade over Bonino.

2) At season's end Hanzal is gonna be at least 1.5m more than Bonino if we want to re-sign.

3) Duclair is another unproven, second line calibre offensive winger of which we have a silly amount of. (Sheary, Rust Sprong, Guentzel, Simon)

4) Maatta could be sold for a better return, possibly a first rounder between 10-20 to a team in need of D, or in a package with Fleury for Hamilton or Trouba

5) Our D is then:

Dumoulin - Letang
Daley - Schultz
Pouliot - Cole

with Daley a UFA, our first call up the undersized offensive Warsofsky, and our best D prospect the small offensive Bengsston.

This trade is poorly thought out.

 

[SubbanForsberg]

Anthony Duclair for 1st Round Pick

 

[RemoAZ]

I don't really understand wy Arizona would be shopping young players right now.

Dave Tippett can't coach or develop young offensive players nor does he want to do either.

 

[johna2626]

Not enough from Arizona

So then what will our blueline be after that?

Fowler - Manson
Lindholm - Bieksa
Stoner - Montour

or

Fowler - Manson
Lindholm - Bieksa
Stoner - Theodore

OH no!!!! The player who leads the AHL in shots certainly isn't ready

 

[Bone Breaker]

Barrie for Duclair. beat that offer if you can.

 

[Theridion]

Vatanen for Duclair makes crazy sense for the Ducks. Less salary, younger, can play LW which we need so so bad.

You can argue Vats is overpayment, but not enough to matter. Even if Duclair is a cheap, young, 15 goal guy on LW with some upside... we just have too many dmen.

Vats + Stoner for Duclair?

 

[dracom]

OH no!!!! The player who leads the AHL in shots certainly isn't ready

Because shots is the truest way to show a player is ready to become a full time NHLer.

Vatanen for Duclair makes crazy sense for the Ducks. Less salary, younger, can play LW which we need so so bad.

You can argue Vats is overpayment, but not enough to matter. Even if Duclair is a cheap, young, 15 goal guy on LW with some upside... we just have too many dmen.

Vats + Stoner for Duclair?

With Ritchie, Rakell, and Cogs on the LW and Jones as a future top 6 LWer, there's no reason for us to trade a high profile asset like Vats for a LWer who had one good season (high shooting %) who is already trending downward and who might have character issues.

 

[Theridion]

Because shots is the truest way to show a player is ready to become a full time NHLer.



With Ritchie, Rakell, and Cogs on the LW and Jones as a future top 6 LWer, there's no reason for us to trade a high profile asset like Vats for a LWer who had one good season (high shooting %) who is already trending downward and who might have character issues.

You buy low.

Its a gamble. But even if it doesnt pay off, its not like we can afford to deal vats for an acheiving guy in his prime with a 4 mil/year salary.

An ideal trade is to move him for a young forwars who has the ability to put goals in the net. And those options are not going to pop up alot.

Edit: and duclair isnt the only guy on that squad struggling.

And putting Vats on that team, he would probably be in the Norris trophy point range with the key icetime he would get.

 

[Jumptheshark]

OH no!!!! The player who leads the AHL in shots certainly isn't ready

the fact he is in the NHL tells ya that

 

[mpp9]

Duclair+Stone for Maatta+1st.

 

[jacobhockey13]

I hate the Dave Tippet and Chayka for thinking Duclair is expendable. He is an incredible talent. It's beyond idiotic.

 

[Ducks in a row]

You buy low.

Its a gamble. But even if it doesnt pay off, its not like we can afford to deal vats for an acheiving guy in his prime with a 4 mil/year salary.

An ideal trade is to move him for a young forwars who has the ability to put goals in the net. And those options are not going to pop up alot.

Edit: and duclair isnt the only guy on that squad struggling.

And putting Vats on that team, he would probably be in the Norris trophy point range with the key icetime he would get.

If we trade Vatanen for Duclair that is Coyotes buying low on Vatanen and us buying high for someone who doesn't come close to deserving it.

We can't afford to be making high risk gambles we are not that type of team. Sure we can afford to trade Vatanen for someone with same kind of salary that someone just needs to be a legit established top 6 forward.

True he isn't the only one but he is the worst of their young forwards who have already played in the NHL.

No don't see him playing that much and producing that much for the Coyotes and if he did we would look even stupider for trading him for Declair then we would if he is the same for them as with us.

 

[jacobhockey13]

Anthony Duclair is awesome.

Dave Tippett is a useless piece of ****.

The latter got a promotion and an extension for failing constantly and being a useless piece of garbage.

The former is going to be traded just for being awesome and not being a useless piece of **** like the latter.

I reiterate this. From those of us who actually watch the Coyotes night in and night out, I'd just like to say that Duclair should absolutely not be in any trade discussions if we had reasonable management. He is one of the fastest guys in the league and a very good puck handler. A player who makes you focus whenever he's on the ice because he has the talent to do something special.

Because he's actually creative and tries to generate opportunities in the offensive zone for his often inferior line-mates Tippet views him as a liability. Last year was no fluke and he would be doing even better this year if we had decent coaching. Also in a bit of funk right now conversion wise, but is an anomaly. Tonight he had a breakaway and missed tucking the puck away by an inch.

Our management is trash.