Speculation: Ducks grabbing a top 6 forward for Fowler/despres

[SupremeTeam16]

Tatar+forward prospect for Fowler is the only deal that works for everyone (despite what other Ducks fans think of Tatar, he is a top 6 player winger).

I still have my money on that deal happening once Lindholm and Rakell are re-signed.

Does it work for Detroit though?

They are already very tight to the cap even after Franzen and Vitale go on LTIR. I dunno if they could take on the extra 1.3M or whatever it is.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Does it work for Detroit though?

They are already very tight to the cap even after Franzen and Vitale go on LTIR. I dunno if they could take on the extra 1.3M or whatever it is.

Pulkkinen will be going on LTIR as well so we will shed around $6 million for all 3 plus some possible waiver option like Jurco could be a possibility.

 

[webersshot]

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[CupofOil]

Fowler will never be a cap dump. #2, 24 year old defensemen are not cap dumps, not matter the situation.

Despres is another story at this point.

I get what you're saying but the Ducks can't afford to take back salary in return so they are going to have to deal him for prospects or picks. I don't think Fowler will be given away by any means but the Ducks likely aren't getting back a player who will help them right now. Tatar for instance only saves them $1M+ in salary cap space, does that really free up enough money to sign both Lindholm and Rackell?

I'm not sure that anybody takes Despres right now so late in the offseason and with the expansion draft in mind but if they do, it'll be for middling picks most likely.

I continue to be fascinated by the Ducks situation which I'm sure isn't too fascinating for you Ducks fans. Murray's going to have to work some magic to get everybody locked up without hurting the roster for next season.

 

[Gordoff]

How about Pasrnak and/or Spooner plus a draft pick from the Bruins for Fowler?

BTW: What's the deal with Despres? Can he make a positive difference on the Boston blueline?

 

[duul]

Any chance Fowler shakes loose to the Oilers for a draft pick and someone like Yakupov retained?

 

[dracom]

I get what you're saying but the Ducks can't afford to take back salary in return so they are going to have to deal him for prospects or picks. I don't think Fowler will be given away by any means but the Ducks likely aren't getting back a player who will help them right now. Tatar for instance only saves them $1M+ in salary cap space, does that really free up enough money to sign both Lindholm and Rackell?

I'm not sure that anybody takes Despres right now so late in the offseason and with the expansion draft in mind but if they do, it'll be for middling picks most likely.

I continue to be fascinated by the Ducks situation which I'm sure isn't too fascinating for you Ducks fans. Murray's going to have to work some magic to get everybody locked up without hurting the roster for next season.

People seem to be obsessed with the idea that we will only take a player on an ELC deal for Fowler. I don't believe that's the case, we just need a forward that is cheaper than Fowler. If we trade Fowler for picks, then Murray screwed up big time. Defensemen like Fowler should not be going for picks, it would be terrible asset management.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Pulkkinen will be going on LTIR as well so we will shed around $6 million for all 3 plus some possible waiver option like Jurco could be a possibility.

So they are over by almost 5M now with roughly 6M in LTIR. If they could even find the room to squeeze Fowler in it would leave them with almost no cushion for things like call ups and short term injuries.

What's the rule for LTIR, I may be wrong but I thought teams had to be cap compliant first day of regular season and then they can put guys on LTIR.

Also what is Larkin's bonus structure like? Any chance he hits bonuses?

 

[CupofOil]

People seem to be obsessed with the idea that we will only take a player on an ELC deal for Fowler. I don't believe that's the case, we just need a forward that is cheaper than Fowler. If we trade Fowler for picks, then Murray screwed up big time. Defensemen like Fowler should not be going for picks, it would be terrible asset management.

Agreed but I don't see anybody taking Despres, Stoner or Bieksa off the Ducks hands so Fowler is going to be the casualty to free up cap space. They are already pushing up against the internal budget as is.

I suppose something based on Pastrnak for Fowler makes sense for the Bruins and Ducks so I could see something like that happening. I think Fowler will be a tough loss for the Ducks though. Lots of youth on that blueline in the top 4.

 

[Canucks1096]

Trading Fowler is kind of risky. Without Fowler Ducks have Lindholm and Vantanen as there top 2

Bunch of number 4 to 6 guys in Bieksa Manson Despres. Stoner as 6th or 7th. Theodore didn't play a full season yet.

1 injury to the top 2. You will have Manson Bieksa Despres as number 2/3/4 defensmen.

I will try to trade Despres or Manson instead

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Any chance Fowler shakes loose to the Oilers for a draft pick and someone like Yakupov retained?

Edmonton is already set on the on the Left side can't see Chiarelli being interested in Fowler. And Yak does very little for Anaheim.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Has no one suggested Rick Nash yet?

 

[Pennaduck]

Does anyone really know what the internal cap is for Anaheim?

I haven't seen much out there regarding where the Ducks will be at for their internal cap, but I'm assuming the Vegas expansion fees will boost total HRR, thereby increasing the amount the league will disburse to each franchise this season. In short, the Ducks could conceivably spend more this season if the HRR provides a bit more cash as part of the expansion fee windfall. Not sure if that is exactly how things work but it may help the Ducks be a cap team this season if so.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So they are over by almost 5M now with roughly 6M in LTIR. If they could even find the room to squeeze Fowler in it would leave them with almost no cushion for things like call ups and short term injuries.

What's the rule for LTIR, I may be wrong but I thought teams had to be cap compliant first day of regular season and then they can put guys on LTIR.

Also what is Larkin's bonus structure like? Any chance he hits bonuses?

Wings as of now are $4.2 million over, Still less then 10% that you can be over for the summer. I could see Holland maybe trying to move Smith for a pick that would clear $2.75 million maybe put Jurco on waivers that clears another $900,000 if he gets claimed. Really don't know what else he can do. Not sure about Larkins bonus structure i will have to look it up.

 

[dracom]

Trading Fowler is kind of risky. Without Fowler Ducks have Lindholm and Vantanen as there top 2

Bunch of number 4 to 6 guys in Bieksa Manson Despres. Stoner as 6th or 7th. Theodore didn't play a full season yet.

1 injury to the top 2. You will have Manson Bieksa Despres as number 2/3/4 defensmen.

I will try to trade Despres or Manson instead

Manson is cheap and good. He and Lindholm were a legit shutdown pairing for most of the season. No reason into trading Manson.

 

[dracom]

Has no one suggested Rick Nash yet?

No, and please don't. It's been done to death, we don't want Nash.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Wings as of now are $4.2 million over, Still less then 10% that you can be over for the summer. I could see Holland maybe trying to move Smith for a pick that would clear $2.75 million maybe put Jurco on waivers that clears another $900,000 if he gets claimed. Really don't know what else he can do. Not sure about Larkins bonus structure i will have to look it up.

If that's the case, I wonder if Mike Green to the Rangers might make sense...assuming you trade him for pennies on the dollar. Rangers can get their RHD PMD/PP QB and Red Wings can shed some salary.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Has no one suggested Rick Nash yet?

Unless if Gorton plans on eating half of Nashes contract it wouldn't work, Anaheim needs a player making less then Fowler for it to work. And Nash makes close to double what Fowler makes.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

No, and please don't. It's been done to death, we don't want Nash.

Haha, hey man, you said a top 6, big bodied F. Nash epitomizes that

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

If that's the case, I wonder if Mike Green to the Rangers might make sense...assuming you trade him for pennies on the dollar. Rangers can get their RHD PMD/PP QB and Red Wings can shed some salary.

Yeah Holland wont move Mike Green no way he's wanted him far too long, I can see Smith only moving if he doesn't have a long term role with the club. And there were rumors of him being available during the TDL and Blashill did keep him out for quite a few games. Not sure if Blash is all that high on Smith personally.

 

[KnightofBoston]

Spooner for the Bruins would be a good option, he doesn't have the value ceiling that Fowler has so the Bruins would definitely need to add but he's got skill and room to grow and on a small cap hit

 

[mytduxfan*]

Jt Miller and a second for Fowler. Seems very equal in value. Rangers get their defencemen, ducks get their top six forward to play with getzlaf.

Done.

Vatanen for Zuccarello.

I'd suggest Fowler but he plays LD.

Vatanen isn't available.

Fowler or Despres would be a glorified salary dump at this point. Is a team going to trade a prized forward prospect for one of those guys especially with the expansion draft in mind? I honestly don't know what Anaheim can do at this point without hurting their roster by trading one of those guys.

Maybe they get lucky and Lindholm and Rackell decide to take paycuts on bridge contracts. Otherwise, I'm not sure how Murray will be able to get good value for Fowler or Despres and be able to sign both Lindholm and Rackell. The clock is ticking.

So much salt. Neither of those guys are close to being cap dumps.

 

[robbieboy3686]

The chances of Anaheim getting a top 6 forward on a super sweet, long-term deal is near impossible. Tatar is making $2.7 million next season, will pot over 20 goals (or more), and will be a RFA after next season, not a UFA. He's an asset that can either be resigned or moved somewhere else then.

This is exactly the type of player needing to be brought bAck anaheims way for fowler( not sure about Tatar myself, is there anyone else out there similar?

 

[robbieboy3686]

Ryan Spooner has one year left at 925k, but he isn't two way. 49 points in 15 minutes a game. Shouldn't be a problem being a mid-50 point guy or higher with actual top 6 minutes. He would be getting a big raise after this season, so not sure it works with Anaheim's long term cap.

Danton Heinen is an interesting case for an NHL ready two-way guy who should be able to play top 6 minutes. Lots of talk of him playing with Marchand and Bergeron this year. http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20160713/defense-keyed-danton-heinens-offensive-turnaround

This is exactly a player the ducks will get bAck, young, talented , 2 way and most importantly CHEAP, with Chara on the decline, Boston definitely makes sense for a trading partner as well, spooner I like also, I think he can be coached up( to play better defense) these 2 players have a real possibility of coming back the ducks way soon, also by next season bieska will be traded or bought out( as well as stoner) so we have $$ coming off the books

 

[Henkka]

Does it work for Detroit though?

They are already very tight to the cap even after Franzen and Vitale go on LTIR. I dunno if they could take on the extra 1.3M or whatever it is.

Smith will be traded for any pick to make room and open a roster spot for Fowler.