Value of: Duchene to Habs

[Goulet17]

Would you guys do something like

Patches + DD for Duchene + Grigorenko
or
Patches + Plek for Duchene + Grigorenko + Cap Dump? Or we retain 2 mil on Plek

Why exactly would the Avs do this? I am just curious about the logic.

DD is a UFA after this season and he is 30, Plekanic is older and is a UFA after next season. Grigorenko is a 22 year old asset.

Why would the Avs trade a 25 year old center in Duchene, who is their best offensive player at the moment and far and away their best player at faceoffs.

Patches is 3 years older and arguably plays a less important position. These trade proposals essentially have the Avs getting much older.

I'll hang up and listen.

 

[Pierre Lebrun]

Avs have no motivation to trade Duchene. I'd want something that would cripple Montreal's future, like Sergachev + Scherbak + Juulsen + unprotected first.

I would do that. The future is now for the Habs... that would load them for the near term.

Duchene - Galchenyuk - Radulov
Pacioretty - Plekanec -Gallagher

However you want to splice it.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Galchy ++

 

[Menzinger]

Would probably clost them 1st + Sergachev + top six replacement player.

Even then the Avs don't have a real incentive to trade him...

 

[MakeTheGoalsLarger]

And without Duchene the centre depth is ugly.


Galchenyuk has to be on the table or don't bother really. No picks, no Plekanec, no Beaulieu, no prospects aside from Sergachev.

Duchene for Sergachev done!

 

[Avs44]

Duchene for Sergachev done!

I did not say straight up

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I find it hilarious how Habs fans are just talking amongst themselves about these Pacthes/Beaulieu/etc. trades.




Once again I(Like my fellow Avs fans) will say it:


Any deal starts with Galchenyuk. That's it.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Ryder+Halak+ 2nd

On the real its prolly going to take something you wont want to give up.

Agree, if it's not this package there's no deal.

 

[Legend123]

I find it hilarious how Habs fans are just talking amongst themselves about these Pacthes/Beaulieu/etc. trades.




Once again I(Like my fellow Avs fans) will say it:


Any deal starts with Galchenyuk. That's it.

easy pass then. See above why

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

easy pass then. See above why

Perfect.


We dont want to trade Duchene so we'd be happy to move on.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I find it hilarious how Habs fans are just talking amongst themselves about these Pacthes/Beaulieu/etc. trades.




Once again I(Like my fellow Avs fans) will say it:


Any deal starts with Galchenyuk. That's it.

great that's a lateral move for the habs. the point would be to insulate 27, not trade him, thus there is no deal between both teams

 

[HuGo Sham]

I would do that. The future is now for the Habs... that would load them for the near term.

Duchene - Galchenyuk - Radulov
Pacioretty - Plekanec -Gallagher

However you want to splice it.

fortunately you're not, nor ever will be the GM of the habs

 

[strictlyrandy]

great that's a lateral move for the habs. the point would be to insulate 27, not trade him, thus there is no deal between both teams

Welcome to what Avs fans have been saying.

It's a lateral move at best for the Avs. Avs do not want to trade Duchene nor do they have a reason to. Avs fans are not offering up Duchene.

 

[Jarey Curry]

I don't have much clue if this is close or not but Galchenyuk and Sergachev for Duchene Grigorenko and 3rd

Galchenyuk < Duchene - Duchene's better but not by a mile
Grigorenko < Sergachev - Sergachev is younger w more important playing position
3rd >... - To tie the gap

 

[Dominator13]

The only player I'd have been willing to accept for Duchene was Subban.

You also have to consider what Duchene means to the fans as well. Dude grew up an Avs fan. He's a money maker to the franchise as well. Trading him wouldn't accomplish anything.

Besides, I don't think he'd want to play for Roy again given that he's most likely going to be the head coach in Montreal next year.

So you always make up stuff like that? Your post feels like a Trump rally...

 

[RyderRocks73]

What's wrong?

That the Habs have nothing of interest to the Avs to warrant them trading Duchene? That's factual.

Avs need more top 6. Not less. Trading one of their only top 6 players for another top 6 player that isn't an upgrade is a lateral move at best.

Or are you shaking your head at the very obvious sarcastic remark about Roy?

That's right, give your head a shake. You completely miss the point and jokes yet again go far over your head.

So besides an actual tongue in cheek remark, what did I say that was "sooooo wrong"?

You're so touchy.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

You're so touchy.

Years of horrible offers for the Avs best players will do that to a person.

 

[mpp9]

Duchene's a better player than Galchenyuk.

 

[strictlyrandy]

So you always make up stuff like that? Your post feels like a Trump rally...

That's some reaching. If you couldn't pick up the sarcasm in my post about Roy going back to Montreal (something that's been joked about for a while) it's not my fault.

What did I make up? That the Avs wouldn't make a lateral at best trade that sent Duchene packing?

 

[strictlyrandy]

You're so touchy.

Not touchy. Genuinely curious as to what was "soooo wrong" with my post. Being that I only get shake head emoticons, compared to Trump, and called touchy I'm pretty certain that nobody can tell me where I was wrong.

 

[Legend123]

Not touchy. Genuinely curious as to what was "soooo wrong" with my post. Being that I only get shake head emoticons, compared to Trump, and called touchy I'm pretty certain that nobody can tell me where I was wrong.

theres no way to start when dealing with comments like urs lol

 

[strictlyrandy]

theres no way to start when dealing with comments like urs lol

What a cop out. You can't "start" because you legitimately have nothing to refute my claims. Again...

Avs need more top 6 not less. (Factual statement)


Habs would not give what Avs would require in a trade for Duchene unless they overpay. Even then it would hurt the franchise given Duchene's background as an Avs fan. He is a fan favorite and one of the most important players on the roster.

Duchene isn't being shopped. At all.

The players of equal value on the Habs either are lateral moves for the Avs or don't make them better right now. They aren't rebuilding. They have no need to take magic beans back as primary pieces for a core player that is only 25.

So....

What in any of that is "soooo wrong" that you just don't know where to start?

Or are you merely in disbelief that I'd make a jab at Roy considering the entire main stream media has been doing it for the past 3 years or so?

I think the simple truth is, you think DD and a 2nd is fair for Duchene and you just can't admit that you have zero knowledge of the Avs roster when someone tells you you're wrong on your valuation.

 

[The Abusement Park]

What a cop out. You can't "start" because you legitimately have nothing to refute my claims. Again...

Avs need more top 6 not less. (Factual statement)


Habs would not give what Avs would require in a trade for Duchene unless they overpay. Even then it would hurt the franchise given Duchene's background as an Avs fan. He is a fan favorite and one of the most important players on the roster.

Duchene isn't being shopped. At all.

The players of equal value on the Habs either are lateral moves for the Avs or don't make them better right now. They aren't rebuilding. They have no need to take magic beans back as primary pieces for a core player that is only 25.

So....

What in any of that is "soooo wrong" that you just don't know where to start?

Or are you merely in disbelief that I'd make a jab at Roy considering the entire main stream media has been doing it for the past 3 years or so?

I think the simple truth is, you think DD and a 2nd is fair for Duchene and you just can't admit that you have zero knowledge of the Avs roster when someone tells you you're wrong on your valuation.

Whoa calm down Trump...

 

[Legend123]

What a cop out. You can't "start" because you legitimately have nothing to refute my claims. Again...

Avs need more top 6 not less. (Factual statement)


Habs would not give what Avs would require in a trade for Duchene unless they overpay. Even then it would hurt the franchise given Duchene's background as an Avs fan. He is a fan favorite and one of the most important players on the roster.

Duchene isn't being shopped. At all.

The players of equal value on the Habs either are lateral moves for the Avs or don't make them better right now. They aren't rebuilding. They have no need to take magic beans back as primary pieces for a core player that is only 25.

So....

What in any of that is "soooo wrong" that you just don't know where to start?

Or are you merely in disbelief that I'd make a jab at Roy considering the entire main stream media has been doing it for the past 3 years or so?

I think the simple truth is, you think DD and a 2nd is fair for Duchene and you just can't admit that you have zero knowledge of the Avs roster when someone tells you you're wrong on your valuation.

I wish

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

theres no way to start when dealing with comments like urs lol

Right, much better to make vague statements that make it seem like the other person is wrong, while being completely unwilling to back up your comments when they call you on it.

There really aren't many players in the league that would realistically get Duchene from the Avs. Sure, guys like Gaudreau, McDavid, Seguin, Hedman, etc. would definitely get it done, but there is no realistic chance for those trades to happen.

So, who do the Habs have that could realistically get Duchene?

Price? Not moving Duchene to upgrade at a position where we already have Varly and Pickard.

Patches? Duchene is younger, signed longer, a C, and arguably better in everything that isn't scoring goals. Try again.

Galchenyuk? At best, this is a lateral move, assuming he reaches his full potential. Right now, Duchene is better in pretty much everything that isn't scoring, where they are roughly equal. The Habs would need to add something big, and I don't see that realistically happening.

Plekanec? No chance. Too old and a UFA in 2 years.

DD? Seriously?

Weber? No chance he's realistically moved, and he's too old for the Avs core. That contract is also too risky for my taste.

Sergachev? He's a very nice prospect, but Duchene isn't getting moved for prospects.

Who did I miss that you think would get the Avs to consider trading Duchene to Montreal?