Dubois
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King'sPawn
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fivehole32
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It is a disaster because it's not like he's got some great skill no one else on the roster has. On top of that he's milquetoast. People would be less likely to bash his play if he was taking aggressive penalties where he is riding the edge, but PLD can't even see the edge from where he is standing.
bland
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Clearly we need to bring in Draisaitl, Panarin and Makar, then wait two years for him to settle in before we can fairly judge Dubois.
I am absolutely loving this coverage of late.
Our team's management dismisses the views of their own fans and has no critical local media with an audience. Thank the lords above that his stink has reached national levels.
bland
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He hasn't been a positive deciding factor in one single game this year.
Why not? Kopitar is playing badly and they arent gonna shake up the Danault line. Let Kopitar center a combination JAD Laferriere Grundstrom Fagemo. Maybe they wont be a defensive liability with him.
This. I’d be shocked if Dubois doesn’t fail miserably there like everywhere else they’ve tried him but at least it would put to rest the claim that he just needs better wingers and it would reduce Kopi’s workload.
As far as Dubois goes, he is his own problem. It isn't TMac or any of the other coaches and organizations he's played for. TMac calls him out after the last game and he responds that he is still adjusting, developing a relationship with TMac, and he needs more coaching just tells me he is the problem. Many will want to jump on TMac, and he definitely deserves a significant share of that regarding the team's performance, but as far as PLD is concerned specifically, this guy has been a problem his entire career and has done nothing to change or adapt in any situation. His shifts from when he started his career to today are identical. He hasn't matured at all as a hockey player and lacks personal responsibility and work ethic. He can still develop some, but at this point, I wouldn't bet on it.
King'sPawn
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Why not?
Because he's played with virtually every player and put in dogshit effort. And in two straight games, Byfield immediately scored and contributed when he replaced PLD.
He didn't get the message when put with hard workers. He didn't get the message when put on the 4th line. He didn't even step up when put on the Kopitar line.
And let's not forget for most of the season, he's had among the best deployments of getting 60% of the faceoffs in the opponent's zone. And averaged top-5 in powerplay time among forwards.
Even an injured, overplayed, 36 year-old Kopitar is doing better and putting in more effort.
AbsentMojo
F-ing get up and hunt! Cmon Todd!
Watching Todd figure out the line combos is akin to watching a toddler solve a Rubik's cube
Ziggy Stardust
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So he needs to be babysat and lifted up by better teammates. That’s definitely worth $8.5M per year.
If only guaranteed contracts didn’t exist…
Steve Zissou
I'll order you a red cap and a Speedo.
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DoktorJeep
Fair winds and following seas Nikolai.
Todd has proclaimed that it is officially time for PL to be a difference maker. I interpret that to mean the player needs to score goals which positively impact the outcome of a game which the Kings win. And that needs to occur consistently to propel the team to a solid playoff position.
PL knows his contract can easily outlast every single player and very likely all management. I think he’s playing the long game here and betting on a strategy where the biggest turd floats to the top.
He’s probably figuring out how he can parlay his playing career into a management position within in AEG over the Kings. With his agent poised to grab the reigns from Luc, PL is in no position to panic just because Todd feels the heat.
PL knows his contract can easily outlast every single player and very likely all management. I think he’s playing the long game here and betting on a strategy where the biggest turd floats to the top.
He’s probably figuring out how he can parlay his playing career into a management position within in AEG over the Kings. With his agent poised to grab the reigns from Luc, PL is in no position to panic just because Todd feels the heat.
fivehole32
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He can have Blake's job right now if it retires and gets that contract off our books. I'd support that all day long.... Then have AEG fire him.
lexlavender
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At this point, you gotta make a decision with Dubois:
A: You try to trade him as soon as possible. Try to get him exchanged for another struggling player to try and make a "new scenery" deal. Dubois + for Huberdeau could work, as long as we can make it cap match somehow. Absent getting traded, you just wait until the offseason and buy him out if it doesn't work out.
B: You go all in on Dubois. Sit him down and ask him what he needs to get going. You cater you line-up decisions around players that compliment him, and you get a coach that works with his style. You need to make this person work out, and you need to do extra stuff on that because he is being paid 8.5 million dollars to be a future top line center. You have decided to build around this person, make it happen.
If doing either of these things means this season is sunk, you still do it. Half measures of trying to win games while your roster isn't growing or developing means that you are losing games and time for no reason.
I can see a world where this line-up is gas and goes deep. We've seen glimpses of that earlier in the year. But you need to figure out where Dubois, Kaliyev, Byfield, and Clarke fit in that in order to unlock that potential.
Right now Tmac is bashing his head against a wall, doing the same thing and hoping it works. Either buy into him as a coach and move the pieces he doesn't understand, or dump him and start playing around and seeing what you actually have.
A: You try to trade him as soon as possible. Try to get him exchanged for another struggling player to try and make a "new scenery" deal. Dubois + for Huberdeau could work, as long as we can make it cap match somehow. Absent getting traded, you just wait until the offseason and buy him out if it doesn't work out.
B: You go all in on Dubois. Sit him down and ask him what he needs to get going. You cater you line-up decisions around players that compliment him, and you get a coach that works with his style. You need to make this person work out, and you need to do extra stuff on that because he is being paid 8.5 million dollars to be a future top line center. You have decided to build around this person, make it happen.
If doing either of these things means this season is sunk, you still do it. Half measures of trying to win games while your roster isn't growing or developing means that you are losing games and time for no reason.
I can see a world where this line-up is gas and goes deep. We've seen glimpses of that earlier in the year. But you need to figure out where Dubois, Kaliyev, Byfield, and Clarke fit in that in order to unlock that potential.
Right now Tmac is bashing his head against a wall, doing the same thing and hoping it works. Either buy into him as a coach and move the pieces he doesn't understand, or dump him and start playing around and seeing what you actually have.
johnjm22
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And that's the thing. PLD has leverage over the organization because of his contract.
TMac, Blake and Luc NEED Dubois to play well. Their jobs might depend on it.
Thus the reason they've been reluctant to criticize him publicly. Piss him off and he could f*** them all over by continuing to play like shit.
The fact that TMac finally did say something in publicly tells you he's probably run out of options to get him going.
Pucknut50
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Here's what I would tell PLD. You want Honesty? Alright, Honestly I think you're nothing. Nothing but a pure waste of God-given talent. You don't listen to nobody, man!
"Bertier Remember the Titans"
"Bertier Remember the Titans"
bland
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McLellan has seen this before, there are just steps to follow until something clicks.
I don't dislike McLellan at all. He IS a good coach, not a great one, but his GM is addicted to drawing at inside straights. There has been no realistic chance at success since the day McLellan arrived, yet success is the edict
There may be coaches out there who could raise the emotional bar up for a little run, but eventually the totally mismanaged roster will catch up with anyone.
Steve Zissou
I'll order you a red cap and a Speedo.
Coming to Amazon in the near future... PLD version already in the making? 
You know you lost the trade when Peggers are taking their podcast time to pile on.
You know you lost the trade when Peggers are taking their podcast time to pile on.
bmr
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If PLD decides to go totally crazy in the playoffs (if the Kings make the playoffs), he can instantly change his reputation around here. But that is a big ask at this point. I'm thinking right now that the Kings are 50/50 to make the playoffs, which is a sad departure from the beginning of the season when they were the favorite to win it all.
