CantLoseWithMatthews
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what do you think is the reason that despite so many teams reaching to draft a center, Veleno fell?
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Peasy
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And Lars Eller was drafted 13 overall. I dont recall him being in the top 10 after the middle of the season as well.
AppsSyl
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If true, letting go of Namestnikov is dumb. He is one of our main channels in Russia/KHL (which is underscouted) and helped orchestrate Zaitsev and Ozhiganov from CSKA Moscow.
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He was hired by Hunter/Lamoriello. And he was part time. I assume the Leafs will add to replace their Russia scouting.
idk i'm not in the room, i'd love to find out. but we've seen this happen before and it come back to bite teams in the ass. (Barzal, Pastrnak, Namestnikov, Point and others) all fell in their respective drafts because of so called character flaws, lack of drive, or potential skill not translating.
We've also seen teams be right, I just think that this is another situation where teams will be wrong. He's got size, he can play on both sides of the puck, can win faceoffs, can score and is probably one of the better playmakers in the draft. If a tea works with him, he can be a real force.
Just heard some interesting behind-the-scene comments on the Leafs' draft.
In Friedman's 31 Thoughts, The Podcast: NHL Draft edition - Sportsnet.ca, Kypreos claims that if Hunter was in charge, he wouldn't have traded down. Instead, he would've made the pick, and the pick would be the defenceman Nicolas Beaudin (with Marek/Cosentino/Friedman agreeing that Beaudin would be the pick).
Apparently, Dubas has a reputation of being a trade-down guy and Hunter has the reputation of just making the pick. So even back in 2015, Hunter didn't want to trade down from the 24th pick. (Who would he have picked instead? Jacob Larsson?)
In Friedman's 31 Thoughts, The Podcast: NHL Draft edition - Sportsnet.ca, Kypreos claims that if Hunter was in charge, he wouldn't have traded down. Instead, he would've made the pick, and the pick would be the defenceman Nicolas Beaudin (with Marek/Cosentino/Friedman agreeing that Beaudin would be the pick).
Apparently, Dubas has a reputation of being a trade-down guy and Hunter has the reputation of just making the pick. So even back in 2015, Hunter didn't want to trade down from the 24th pick. (Who would he have picked instead? Jacob Larsson?)
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Give me dermott + 2nds over larsson. I think I’m 2015 they first traded back with a list of dmen still in the board, larsson went before pick 29 and they still had a few dmen so they traded back to 35 and dermott was there. Looks like well and truly the right move then
613Leafer
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Yea, I've got no problem with trading down. There's nobody drafted between our original pick in 2015 (24th OA - Konecny), and where we ended up drafting (34th) that I would definitely take over Dermott today.
Obviously Sebastien Aho went one after at 35th OA, but if anything, that just helps the argument in favour of trading down. Nobody saw the value in taking him close to our original 24th OA pick.
Obviously Sebastien Aho went one after at 35th OA, but if anything, that just helps the argument in favour of trading down. Nobody saw the value in taking him close to our original 24th OA pick.
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And Don Cherry was 100% sure Kyle Dubas would get the job.
It's a scary, scary world we live in. LOL.
Randy Randerson
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I don't know what to make of this draft, but it definitely looks like Dubas went off the board a bunch of times based on what we have available to us. I hope he guessed right, but if he didn't it seems like an awfully risky way to play it with all eyes on him as a new GM
Did he? Are you referring to this: Leafs run the risk of losing Mark Hunter - Sportsnet.ca
“A lot of executives I’ve spoken with believe that when it comes to the next general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs, it goes in the favour of Mark Hunter, for no other reason than his resume,” Kypreos said during the Headlines segment of Hockey Night in Canada on Saturday night.
What about Marek/Cosentino/Friedman? They all seem to agree that Beaudin would've been the pick. Do they also know nothing?
The Toronto media continuing it's job to convince people the Leafs picked the wrong guy.
Meanwhile no one in hockey was asking to speak with Hunter about a job.
I'm happy with Dubas so far. I will give him the time he needs to assess his skill as a GM, but I liked the picks in this draft (albeit it was probably a lot of leftover from Hunter) and I like how he's not afraid of doing things a little differently.
I think he walks lockstep with Babcock, and to me, that might be a slight problem later on. I don't believe any GM should move lockstep with their coach (except if you're the Spurs or Patriots GM) -- and I think that might change a bit but so far, he's been good.
New, young energy for our team is needed. I always wondered what JFJ could've done if he actually had the support of ownership. I hope Dubas will make that a reality.
I think he walks lockstep with Babcock, and to me, that might be a slight problem later on. I don't believe any GM should move lockstep with their coach (except if you're the Spurs or Patriots GM) -- and I think that might change a bit but so far, he's been good.
New, young energy for our team is needed. I always wondered what JFJ could've done if he actually had the support of ownership. I hope Dubas will make that a reality.
Travis Konecny was at the top of our board when we traded the pick. Hence why it was a contentious move, as they knew they were trading away any chance at him.
I heard that Beaudin was the guy scouts were arguing for, but not Hunter's likely pick if he was still around.
Finally, I heard a rumor the Leafs are going to make a crazy hire for an area scout. I can't say the name, but if it happens you'll know.
Who was Hunter interested in?
I thought Beaudin and Sandin we're pretty close, I thought Bokk was the obvious choice
I was sworn to secrecy on that. But, I did hear the table was down to Sandin and Beaudin when the trade down happened.
Man Bear Pig
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Unless there's an absolute obvious choice, like a Liljegren, I try and trade down every single time late in the draft. I realise Liljegren wasn't that late but if you're picking in the 20's, odds are the guy at 25 isn't significanty better than the guy at 29 or 30. I'd really have to like the player to stay with the pick. Adding another pick or two and increasing your percentages is the smart play. I know a late 2nd/3rd rounder don't have great odds of becoming an NHL player but the odds are still better than staying at 25.
Man Bear Pig
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Bokk was the obvious choice but when you put him under the microscope, he's got a ton of work to do like any other selection that late in the first.
I liked things about both guys so I'd have been happy with either, Beaudin skates bloody well but I think Sandin plays a better alround game
I'm surprised they didn't seem that keen on Bokk, he's a talented kid
Yeah, generally missing your draft year has that effect. We got somewhat lucky with Morgan in that respect.
Man Bear Pig
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There's definitely some nice potential but if I had to choose between Sandin and SDA vs Bokk, I'm gonna go with Sandin and SDA. I will say that Bokk likely has the highest upside but I can see the trade working out for both teams.
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