Confirmed with Link: Dubas the new GM - TSN

[GoonieFace]

Does Dubas have to do something of "significance" over the draft weekend to establish himself, or can he just draft and go home?

He WILL order the surf and turf from room service.

 

[justafan22]

For people who are worried about Dubas trading based off the Kessel deal, there was this interesting excerpt from the Athletic Q&A with Justin Bourne (former Marlies video coach)

Couple of things:

It's been reported that Murray and Dumoulin were his targets in that deal, not Kapanen

Shanahan wanted Kessel gone.

 

[LeafsNation75]

For people who are worried about Dubas trading based off the Kessel deal, there was this interesting excerpt from the Athletic Q&A with Justin Bourne (former Marlies video coach)

Honestly I think people are worried to much about Dubas based on that and it's not fair to him. Yes on paper Toronto should have got a better deal knowing how good Kessel could be. However I always say that Shanahan was the one who wanted him gone for a culture change and told Dubas, along with Hunter who was his interim GM as well with him to get rid of Kessel.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Retaining salary was the only thing that slanted the deal to the Pens, and it's really not a huge deal.

 

[Menzinger]

Couple of things:

It's been reported that Murray and Dumoulin were his targets in that deal, not Kapanen

Shanahan wanted Kessel gone.

That last part is often overlooked.

I wasn’t particularly happy with the Kessel trade, but seemed clear that Dubas was given clear marching orders and just had to get a deal on the table. Not exactly an ideal situation to get the best terms

 

[LeafsNation75]

That last part is often overlooked.

I wasn’t particularly happy with the Kessel trade, but seemed clear that Dubas wa driven clear marching orders and just had to get a deal on the table. Not exactly an ideal situation to get the best terms

Plus you can say Pittsburgh might have had an advantage since they were the only team on Kessel's 8 team trade list that was willing to trade for him.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Maple Leafs' draft haul provides first glimpse of Dubas Era in Toronto - Sportsnet.ca

The theory behind trading down, of course, is that the likelihood of players becoming NHL regulars after the top 20 selections drops dramatically, so the best way to combat those percentages is to have more picks. Most teams now assign a numerical value to each and every selection, and, in this case, Toronto calculated the combined value of the No. 29 and No. 76 picks to be equal to or greater than the estimated value of the No. 25 pick.

It’s about math and probability, which is very much what Dubas is about. But there’s also a potential downside to this approach.

In 2015, Philly got the 24th pick from the Leafs and drafted centre Travis Konecny, who scored 24 goals in his second NHL season this year. Columbus used the 29th pick acquired from the Leafs to take towering defenceman Gabriel Carlsson, who split his season between the NHL and the minors this season.

Will Dermott, Bracco and Dzierkals work out to have more value than Konecny or Carlsson? We shall see over time. Konecny has had the greatest impact so far.

On Friday, the Blues used the 25th pick to take Swedish right winger Dominik Bokk, and we’ll have to wait to evaluate whether Bokk proves to have more value than Sandin plus whoever the Leafs take with the 76th pick on Saturday.

For those who wonder what the Dubas Era will be like in Toronto, this was the first piece of evidence, and it wasn’t surprising. The Leafs are going to be a disciplined, analytical organization, and they are going to continue down the path of being a fast, high-skilled team, with less emphasis on size and physicality than other teams.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Fire him he already screwed up trading down not up, obviously has a thing for nepotism by drafting a player from Soo. Smiled at the camera and looked directly at the camera when the trade was being announced, so unprofessional. Lost our chance at getting a great player maybe a chance at generational talent. And I am out of ideas but I'm sure he'll screw up more if we keep him, can't believe we kept him instead of Hunter.



Seriously love the guy and inspiring story really, I am very curious to see what he does tomorrow and this off-season to get a grasp on how he plays.

 

[CanadasTeam]

Fire him he already screwed up trading down not up, obviously has a thing for nepotism by drafting a player from Soo. Smiled at the camera and looked directly at the camera when the trade was being announced, so unprofessional. Lost our chance at getting a great player maybe a chance at generational talent. And I am out of ideas but I'm sure he'll screw up more if we keep him, can't believe we kept him instead of Hunter.



Seriously love the guy and inspiring story really, I am very curious to see what he does tomorrow and this off-season to get a grasp on how he plays.

Hope you're having a great summer, LR.

 

[LeafFever]

If they went with Mark Hunter or kept Lou they would have picked Dahlin.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Maple Leafs' draft haul provides first glimpse of Dubas Era in Toronto - Sportsnet.ca

... Dermott played twice as many NHL games as Carlsson did, and Dermott was an AHL all-star in his second AHL season...

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

Does Dubas have to do something of "significance" over the draft weekend to establish himself, or can he just draft and go home?

Lol he already tried, I would rather not want him to try anymore. Eww that would suck.

 

[LeafsNation75]

... Dermott played twice as many NHL games as Carlsson did, and Dermott was an AHL all-star in his second AHL season...

Not only that I remember others saying Dermott should have been a mid to late 1st round pick in 2015 and when the Leafs got to select him at 34th overall in the 2nd round he was considered to be a steal. So I think it's a win for the Leafs and Dubas. Plus since it was said they needed a defenseman just as much in that draft, they got the best of both worlds selecting Marner in the 1st round and Dermott in the 2nd round. Even if the Leafs selected Konecny others would have said why not get a defenseman instead?

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Hope you're having a great summer, LR.

Thanks man, been a while and im doing my best after a whirldwind of a year. Hope you are doing well as my friend

 

[hockeywiz542]

Toronto Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas meets with members of the media as the 2018 NHL Entry Draft comes to a close.


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[Kiwi]

I really dont know much about any of the guys we drafted so not going to pretend like im some sort of expert but I do like that the overall vision was to draft guys who could skate, make plays and had good hockeysense. No more taking massive defenders who you hoped one day could turn into a good player but who currently were moreso projects than actual good on ice contributors.

Whether some people like it or not the league is going in a certain direction and I like that Dubas and his team are on top of it.

Yeah you can see what type of team and style of play we're trying to build here after this draft

A couple of picks I was a bit surprised by but if we've got a vision we may as well implement it properly and go all in

 

[Funk21]

Terrible draft IMO. I know this is on Hunter as well as he was head of scouting but ultimately it’s on him as he has final say.

Sure we won’t know how this draft panned out for a few years but right now this is not a good start.

 

[WilliamNylander]

Excellent draft. Much better than the last two years of garbage from Hunter and co.

 

[Nalens Oga]

This draft to me tbh is a wash because the friggin head scout left weeks before didn't he? I wouldn't really judge him from this.

 

[luvdahattymatty]

Getting Marner, Dermott and Bracco in the 97 draft was very very special and very very lucky. But they say you have to be good to be lucky. And then Matthews wow. and now JT and we win the Cup next season. The Shanaplan is working. And there is a reason it is called the Shanaplan because Shanny is making all the final decisions. and Dubas is his hand picked guy to do the work. Lou was only there to teach and guide Dubas for 3 years. Babs brought some professional coaching and stability to the equation. What I think is amazing is the way Shanny stays on the down low to keep away from the attention. Bloody brilliant. Genius to keep his ego in check.

 

[luvdahattymatty]

The only real risk I see is Dubas' talent at drafting to the nhl. Clearly he is a newbie at it. i liked Hunter there cause he played in nhl and has many years of experience in understanding what truly works. Anywoo we have some great talent now and JT and 1 killer defence and we are there so it is very very close. Even if we suck at draft for next couple years it will not matter that much.

 

[glucker]

I had different players I was hoping the Leafs would get, as I’m sure others did... but overall I think Dubas did good. Ideally he listened to what the scouts had to say, and did his work in guessing where the guys would go, and picking/trading accordingly. I do wonder if he was hoping for Lundqvist over Sandin when he traded down, but who knows.

Big fan of the SDA pick. It’ll be interesting to compare his numbers next year to some of the older guys in that draft. I’m guessing he’ll compare pretty favourably to a few first rounders, while being closer in age to them than some of the guys drafted this year. Taking that gamble on the extra year of development time can pay off huge.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I think this was a terrible draft. Too many boom or bust picks, instead of going for guys who may be a bit safer.

I just can't get over the fact that we passed on Veleno and Addison. I think trading down worked well for us in 2015, but I believe with all my heart we are gonna look back and say that we made two mistakes in Dubas' first draft as GM. I got that Burke feel during this draft. Instead of truculence it was just smaller guys. Idk, maybe I'm being too critical

Sandin and Durzi are very safe picks. They score extremely well on models that predict the chances of being NHL players. If anything, they lack upside compared to some guys that were available at their spots.

 

[Liminality]

Kind of funny to hear the Hunter bashing, when Dubas went out of his way to mention the scouts who pushed for players, that he relied on them, and then realize they are the same guys who were part of the "trash" Hunter drafts of the past. I mean lol, let's keep it real, this is Hunter's staff and Dubas just took over, he relied on them HEAVILY. Anyways, just hilarious.

Yeah it was still a joint effort that's for sure.
Not everyone agreed with the picks but it seems that Dubas values hockey IQ highly above most other attributes. Pretty much all the picks are regarded as smart and skilled players from what I've read. Some might have average skating or lacking in size, it doesn't matter much as long as you can effectively use that hockey IQ and get around your weaknesses in some way.

 

[Kelly]

 

[francis246]

@CantLoseWithMatthews idk if my post got deleted for whatever reason. I never said draft big guys. I'm saying that we should have went BPA. To me Veleno was the BPA at that moment. So I hope we don't look back like we did with Gauthier in 2013 and say we made a mistake. I like Dubas as a GM, but I do feel he fell in love with this kid because he is a soo greyhound. If he didn't play for the soo I doubt we would have taken him.

 

[PromoterDave]

Yeah I liked this draft more than the 2016 and 2017 draft. This one reminds me more of the 2015 draft

 

[hizzoner]

He WILL order the surf and turf from room service.

I was just scanning the posts and saw "surf" and turf --oops.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I think this was a terrible draft. Too many boom or bust picks, instead of going for guys who may be a bit safer.

I just can't get over the fact that we passed on Veleno and Addison. I think trading down worked well for us in 2015, but I believe with all my heart we are gonna look back and say that we made two mistakes in Dubas' first draft as GM. I got that Burke feel during this draft. Instead of truculence it was just smaller guys. Idk, maybe I'm being too critical

I love how you criticize not going for safe picks or big guys and advocate for a 5'10 180 pound offensive defenseman with concerns around his defense and compete level over a guy like Sandin

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

@CantLoseWithMatthews idk if my post got deleted for whatever reason. I never said draft big guys. I'm saying that we should have went BPA. To me Veleno was the BPA at that moment. So I hope we don't look back like we did with Gauthier in 2013 and say we made a mistake. I like Dubas as a GM, but I do feel he fell in love with this kid because he is a soo greyhound. If he didn't play for the soo I doubt we would have taken him.

yeah the boards are absolutely beyond messed up at the moment. the way I see it, if dubas was really that in love with him, he wouldn't have traded down and risked losing him. also I wanted to get Veleno, but I think there's some real concerns with his hockey sense. we'll see what happens. Overall, I think the players we got are more likely to be future NHLers than some of the picks in previous drafts (Middleton, Mattinen, Nielsen, Greenway, etc) because of how effective they are at moving the puck and playing hockey intelligently

 

[francis246]

I think this was a terrible draft. Too many boom or bust picks, instead of going for guys who may be a bit safer.

I just can't get over the fact that we passed on Veleno and Addison. I think trading down worked well for us in 2015, but I believe with all my heart we are gonna look back and say that we made two mistakes in Dubas' first draft as GM. I got that Burke feel during this draft. Instead of truculence it was just smaller guys. Idk, maybe I'm being too critical

 

[francis246]

yeah the boards are absolutely beyond messed up at the moment. the way I see it, if dubas was really that in love with him, he wouldn't have traded down and risked losing him. also I wanted to get Veleno, but I think there's some real concerns with his hockey sense. we'll see what happens. Overall, I think the players we got are more likely to be future NHLers than some of the picks in previous drafts (Middleton, Mattinen, Nielsen, Greenway, etc) because of how effective they are at moving the puck and playing hockey intelligently

After taking some time to do some research I can agree with that. I still think Veleno is a lock to be an NHL'er more than Sandin, but what's done is done. Hopefully he can turn into something for us in the future

 

[DarkKnight]

Kind of funny to hear the Hunter bashing, when Dubas went out of his way to mention the scouts who pushed for players, that he relied on them, and then realize they are the same guys who were part of the "trash" Hunter drafts of the past. I mean lol, let's keep it real, this is Hunter's staff and Dubas just took over, he relied on them HEAVILY. Anyways, just hilarious.

 

[bonjovi0308]

Fire him he already screwed up trading down not up, obviously has a thing for nepotism by drafting a player from Soo. Smiled at the camera and looked directly at the camera when the trade was being announced, so unprofessional. Lost our chance at getting a great player maybe a chance at generational talent. And I am out of ideas but I'm sure he'll screw up more if we keep him, can't believe we kept him instead of Hunter.



Seriously love the guy and inspiring story really, I am very curious to see what he does tomorrow and this off-season to get a grasp on how he plays.

I laughed reading this part..lol

 

[stickty111]

Terrible draft IMO. I know this is on Hunter as well as he was head of scouting but ultimately it’s on him as he has final say.

Sure we won’t know how this draft panned out for a few years but right now this is not a good start.

Yeah okay.

 

[bonjovi0308]

I think people MAY still be selling Bracco short at this moment. Just because he is not in the NHL yet doesn't mean his worth is zero. I always think he is possibly a Marner's lite, and he could at least get a chance in the NHL with teams do not care about defensive assignment and feel free patting his stats. We are trying to mold him from an offensive player to a two-way player.

 

[stickty111]

Veleno has become the most overrated player on this board. If he wasnt given exceptional status, do people even care about drafting him? He looks like Gauthier.
Sandin is the better player, and its a good Dubas took him over Veleno.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Kind of funny to hear the Hunter bashing, when Dubas went out of his way to mention the scouts who pushed for players, that he relied on them, and then realize they are the same guys who were part of the "trash" Hunter drafts of the past. I mean lol, let's keep it real, this is Hunter's staff and Dubas just took over, he relied on them HEAVILY. Anyways, just hilarious.

I don't like the Hunter bashing either, reeks of insecure fanboyism to me. With that said, there's a very clear difference in what attributes were targeted this draft compared to previous ones under Hunter and Lamoriello. So the scouts that did the bulk of the work, and of course Dubas relies heavily on that work, but the direction picked out was his.

I've said before that I think Lou was more in control of our draft than most people think. Hunter may have been the guy running it, but Lou was the ultimate authority. This is just based on how Hunter went about things in the one draft he had before Lou took over though.