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For me it depends on how Bokk's upside looks. I mean he could be another Konecny, however, if the Leafs get another Dermott out of this trade I won't complain.
 
93LEAFS said:
I was sworn to secrecy on that. But, I did hear the table was down to Sandin and Beaudin when the trade down happened.
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Thanks! It's always interesting to look back at such arguments (just like that between choosing Joe Sakic and Luke Richardson).

I guess they knew they wouldn't have a chance at Beaudin at 29, who was also a trade-up target for Montreal.

I prefer Beaudin to Sandin because of his amazing vision and passing, but not by much. Given that I also like the SDA pick, I'd prob take Sandin + SDA over Beaudin.
 
To be serious I'm starting to get a little bit uncomfortable if Dubas would be thinking about trading Marner (not necessary this year)
 
Walshy7 said:
Give me dermott + 2nds over larsson. I think I’m 2015 they first traded back with a list of dmen still in the board, larsson went before pick 29 and they still had a few dmen so they traded back to 35 and dermott was there. Looks like well and truly the right move then
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we already had a 2nd. we could have had Dermott and Larsson.
 
Daisy Jane said:
we already had a 2nd. we could have had Dermott and Larsson.
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we did not have Dermotts 2nd what we had was Bracco's 2nd pick 61 (there was an extra 2nd that season) i very highly doubt dermott was dropping to 61

1st trade: 24 for 29 and 61
2nd trade: 29 for 35 and i cant remember the number but i think it was a 3rd

edit: 3rd was 68th overall

Trades completed during 2015 NHL Draft weekend

here is a list of all trades made in that draft

Toronto traded Nashville's 1st-round pick in the 2015 NHL Draft (previously acquired, 24th overall) to Philadelphia for Tampa Bay's 1st-round pick in 2015 (previously acquired, 29th overall) and Chicago's 2nd-round pick in 2015 (previously acquired, 61st overall).

Toronto traded Tampa Bay's 1st-round pick in the 2015 NHL Draft (previously acquired, 29th overall) to Columbus for Toronto's 2nd-round pick in 2015 (previously acquired, 34th overall) and Philadelphia's 3rd-round pick in 2015 (previously acquired, 68th overall).
 
Walshy7 said:
we did not have Dermotts 2nd what we had was Bracco's 2nd pick 61 (there was an extra 2nd that season) i very highly doubt dermott was dropping to 61

1st trade: 24 for 29 and 61
2nd trade: 29 for 35 and i cant remember the number but i think it was a 3rd

edit: 3rd was 68th overall
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why? isn't that hindsight?
from everything i'm hearing the Leafs wanted Larsson. and he's developing really, really well. so to me , it's like. Get Larsson, hope to get Dermott (and hey if we don't get him, we get someone else who would be good as well.


i mean it will all come out in the wash anyway. but we still don't know what dermott is (nor do we know what larsson is). we'll see.
 
Daisy Jane said:
why? isn't that hindsight?
from everything i'm hearing the Leafs wanted Larsson. and he's developing really, really well. so to me , it's like. Get Larsson, hope to get Dermott (and hey if we don't get him, we get someone else who would be good as well.


i mean it will all come out in the wash anyway. but we still don't know what dermott is (nor do we know what larsson is). we'll see.
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Dermott is already a #5 dman in the NHL, its pretty likely he will be a top4 D.

Nothing against larsson but taking him at 24 would have meant we had 0 2nds so no dermott no bracco and no Dzierkals (who doesnt appear to be tracking all that well). so it was either just larsson if they took him at 24 or move back for extra picks. At the time our prospect pool was also very shallow.

Its early but Dermott just had 13 points in 37 NHL games and Larsson just had 16 points in 50 AHL games. It looks like a fantastic move as of right now, of course things can change
 
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Walshy7 said:
Dermott is already a #5 dman in the NHL, its pretty likely he will be a top4 D.

Nothing against larsson but taking him at 24 would have meant we had 0 2nds so no dermott no bracco and no Dzierkals (who doesnt appear to be tracking all that well). so it was either just larsson if they took him at 24 or move back for extra picks. At the time our prospect pool was also very shallow.

Its early but Dermott just had 13 points in 37 NHL games and Larsson just had 16 points in 50 AHL games. It looks like a fantastic move as of right now, of course things can change
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again, like i said, we'll see.
im not going to judge who is better as a defenseman based on points.
i think we'll just have to see how they after 300+ NHL games etc.
 
Daisy Jane said:
again, like i said, we'll see.
im not going to judge who is better as a defenseman based on points.
i think we'll just have to see how they after 300+ NHL games etc.
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of course that is fair enough. But personally I think Dermott has shown that he is a very good 2way dman that using points is a way to judge them. If Larsson is a great defensive dman for example he would have low point totals, but Dermott has shown he is a good enough 2way dman that to me is more valuable. Again ive got nothing against Larsson but the choice between just Larsson or dermott, bracco and a dzirkals (again he really isn't something to gloat about) id take the later knowing what I know now that Dermott is a near lock t top4 Dman and Bracco very likely plays in the NHL at some point (maybe not with the leafs of course). It is their draft +3 its not like the draft was this Friday gone.
 
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KMNRB said:
Just heard some interesting behind-the-scene comments on the Leafs' draft.

In Friedman's 31 Thoughts, The Podcast: NHL Draft edition - Sportsnet.ca, Kypreos claims that if Hunter was in charge, he wouldn't have traded down. Instead, he would've made the pick, and the pick would be the defenceman Nicolas Beaudin (with Marek/Cosentino/Friedman agreeing that Beaudin would be the pick).

Apparently, Dubas has a reputation of being a trade-down guy and Hunter has the reputation of just making the pick. So even back in 2015, Hunter didn't want to trade down from the 24th pick. (Who would he have picked instead? Jacob Larsson?)
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Well that dermott trade down looks amazing if we were going to take Larsson.
 
Looking back at our draft it seems like Dubas really wanted high hockey IQ and speed. He was willing to settle for less size and not great skating. I’m guessing Leafs management is confident they can fix the skating.

Another interesting thing is dipping into SSM and taking many Marlies eligible players. Maybe they are more confident in developing NHLers if they can control the path that the prospects take to the NHL....
 
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SprDaVE said:
Wes Clark might be back with the Leafs as a scout or in some capacity. He just followed both Leafs twitter accounts.
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93Leafs is pretty locked into that stuff and he's thought Clark is coming on board from pretty much the day Dubas became GM

That dude knows his ****
 
bonjovi0308 said:
To be serious I'm starting to get a little bit uncomfortable if Dubas would be thinking about trading Marner (not necessary this year)
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Why would he do something like that? Marner led the team in points during both the regular season and playoffs. His two way play is pretty much on par with Matthews (who has a very underrated two way game), and nobody on the team comes close to them in that regard. If he finally gets slotted on the top line for the majority of a season, he'd easily add another 10 points to his season total, if not more than that. He's about to start his third season of pro hockey, and he's shaping up to be all-star caliber if he continues to improve and get more ice time in the process. The only possible reason Dubas would even consider trading him, is if a forward or d-man of McDavid's caliber is part of whatever deal it would be.
 
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bonjovi0308 said:
To be serious I'm starting to get a little bit uncomfortable if Dubas would be thinking about trading Marner (not necessary this year)
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Why would Dubas trade Marner when he was used in the pitch to get John Tavares? If anything, it shows what the Leafs think of Mitch Marner and his future as a Leaf.
 
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Can we talk about how the great Lou Lamoriello was unable to re-sign John Tavares? Seems like one of the main points here is that there's no way Lamoriello, being so great at what he does, would allow this to happen?
 
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SprDaVE said:
Can we talk about how the great Lou Lamoriello was unable to re-sign John Tavares? Seems like one of the main points here is that there's no way Lamoriello, being so great at what he does, would allow this to happen?
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I remember hearing he was crap, old, outdated and making players shave was bad when he was with us.

And suddenly he's going to turn the Islanders from a laughingstock to a contender.
 
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"He and his agents at CAA Sports were blown away by the presentation the Leafs made earlier this week at their Beverly Hills headquarters. Team president Brendan Shanahan, general manager Kyle Dubas and head coach Mike Babcock were all in the room and Dubas, in particular, made a huge impression with his confident, well-articulated delivery while outlining the organization’s plans."

John Tavares leaps into great unknown by betting on Maple Leafs - Sportsnet.ca

Nice quote to have for future discussions guys
 
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