Confirmed with Link: Dubas the new GM - TSN

[Leaf Fans]

Does Dubas have the balls to make the right moves and not get bullied by the old dawgs?

Do we have the patience to figure that out because on this board, any move he makes will have its supporters and detractors. The supports will say good move while the detractors will say he got bullied. I mean we already have people saying he is too young, he might get bullied, Hunter and Lou are gone. Some misogynistic posters even wonder if he has balls like it would affect his decision making.

 

[IBeL34f]

It is interesting that Dubas would inherit the team that has no cap issues; UFA salaries, buyouts off the books; and RFA negotiations set to happen.

Its his team now and he has inherited a very good situation

I originally wanted Lou to stick around for at least one more year, because this is a huge off-season for us and I felt comfortable having someone of his stature at the helm through such an important process. But as I thought about it, it made more and more sense that the person who's going to be steering the ship for the long-term, rather than just the short-term, should really be the one to make those decisions. And the more I thought about that, the more excited I got about this move.

No one knows how our future's going to go with Dubas in charge (no one would know how it was going to go with anyone else in charge, either) but I'm as excited as I ever have been to continue watching this team develop under Shanahan's guidance.

 

[IBeL34f]

Do we have the patience to figure that out because on this board, any move he makes will have its supporters and detractors. The supports will say good move while the detractors will say he got bullied. I mean we already have people saying he is too young, he might get bullied, Hunter and Lou are gone. Some misogynistic posters even wonder if he has balls like it would affect his decision making.

Preach.

 

[Menzinger]

As others have mentioned, it’ll be very interesting to see if the Leafs approach at the draft changes.

Ive been underwhelmed by the past two draft cycles beyond the first round where the Leafs seemed to take a lot of bigger yet low ceiling type players. Perhaps there will be a return to the ‘2015 draft when it was just Hunter and Dubas running the show and the Leafs ended up going more for high end skill.

 

[Ciao]

Does Dubas have the balls to make the right moves and not get bullied by the old dawgs?

Whatever makes you think he won't?

 

[djdev]

Geez it seems like it was only yesterday a large number of people on this biard wanted to kill Cope for kicking Burke to the curb and now he can't make mistake .

Also Dubas was hired on Shanny's recommendation to the owners.

i have no idea what your point is, 1st time gms can come in and succeed and they can also fail, just like veteran GMs with good track records. each situation is different..i will trust management over some dude on a forum who is making up nonsense about people calling him LL or a hall of famer.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

What time do you think his curfew is?
Does he get an allowance?
Snack packs AND Lunchables, or just one of the two in his lunch?

Exciting times

He's 31. there's no reason to pretend he's a child

 

[hotpaws]

i have no idea what your point is, 1st time gms can come in and succeed and they can also fail, just like veteran GMs with good track records. each situation is different..i will trust management over some dude on a forum who is making up nonsense about people calling him LL or a hall of famer.

That was exactly my point and I wasn't the poster who started comparing Dubas' hiring to LL's so I have idea what issue your having with my posts?

 

[djdev]

That was exactly my point and I wasn't the poster who started comparing Dubas' hiring to LL's so I have idea what issue your having with my posts?

the point i was making is that 1st timers CAN come in and end up being LL, or david poile or stevie Y etc etc..hes defending the fact that certain people are shi^%ing on the hire because hes never won a championship blah blah blah by saying at one point NJ took a chance on a young GM with no experience, hes not "annointing" anyone anything. people are allowed to believe its a good hire and have confidence in his ability.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Does Dubas have the balls to make the right moves and not get bullied by the old dawgs?

1. It’s been said by those that know him and see him work that he is energetic, influential, and not a push over.
2. It has been said by those inside the organisation, the old dogs themselves, that he has the respect of the experienced staff. Babcock said “he is a superstar” and “he is decades smarter than I am”

 

[BrainyBomber]

Dubas has never won a championship as GM, at any level. Just a fact.

Dubas' team is the favourite to win a championship in 3 weeks.

Hunter has never been approached to be an NHL GM. Just a fact.

 

[MattySnipes]

1. It’s been said by those that know him and see him work that he is energetic, influential, and not a push over.
2. It has been said by those inside the organisation, the old dogs themselves, that he has the respect of the experienced staff. Babcock said “he is a superstar” and “he is decades smarter than I am”

Just facts.

 

[hotpaws]

the point i was making is that 1st timers CAN come in and end up being LL, or david poile or stevie Y etc etc..hes defending the fact that certain people are shi^%ing on the hire because hes never won a championship blah blah blah by saying at one point NJ took a chance on a young GM with no experience, hes not "annointing" anyone anything. people are allowed to believe its a good hire and have confidence in his ability.

As I already said I agree that some times first timers may or not perform great and we're all entitled to our opinion irregardless of whether it not we liked who Shanny hired .

Also everyone's a 1st timer at one point so bringing up people who have succeeded or failed has absolutely no bearing on how Dubas' will perform so why bother bringing up a future HOFer ?

 

[djdev]

As I already said I agree that some times first timers may or not perform great and we're all entitled to our opinion irregardless of whether it not we liked who Shanny hired .

Also everyone's a 1st timer at one point so bringing up people who have succeeded or failed has absolutely no bearing on how Dubas' will perform so why bother bringing up a future HOFer ?

because the poster he was responding to somebody who said dubas hadnt won anything ever. he was pointing out there was a time when lou hadnt won anything either and that he had taken over for an established gm. thats all it looked like to me.
i really dont see the big issue with anything he said, and im assuming he brought up lou as a way to tie the situation to our current one.

 

[Trapper]

Does Dubas have the balls to make the right moves and not get bullied by the old dawgs?

What do you consider the right moves? We've had some old dogs, how come some of the right moves weren't made already?

 

[Lauro]

That was exactly my point and I wasn't the poster who started comparing Dubas' hiring to LL's so I have idea what issue your having with my posts?

He just stated that Lou was a first time GM too when the NJD hired him, answering to some posters who didn't like the Dubas hiring because they wanted an experienced GM.

Then you came in with your inappropriate responses mentioning Stellick or that the poster had compared Dubas to HHoF-LL, which he never did.

 

[SprDaVE]

As others have mentioned, it’ll be very interesting to see if the Leafs approach at the draft changes.

Ive been underwhelmed by the past two draft cycles beyond the first round where the Leafs seemed to take a lot of bigger yet low ceiling type players. Perhaps there will be a return to the ‘2015 draft when it was just Hunter and Dubas running the show and the Leafs ended up going more for high end skill.

Not sure it'll be much different this year but I sure hope over the next couple drafts it develops into something that is a lot more progressive.

 

[ToneDog]

We are on the cusp of winning and as such I preferred the safer move, an experienced GM. Having said that, Shanny has not disappointed yet so I am not losing any sleep over the Dubas hiring.

 

[Trapper]

We are on the cusp of winning and as such I preferred the safer move, an experienced GM. Having said that, Shanny has not disappointed yet so I am not losing any sleep over the Dubas hiring.

Dubas has the chance to make a name for himself now. If you want a long career you have to start somewhere. I'd rather this route than a Bergevin in Montreal or a Florida GM who lets a 30 + goal scorer walk for nothing. Or a GM that trades Turris + a 1st + for Duchene. Let's see what he's got.

 

[ToneDog]

Dubas has the chance to make a name for himself now. If you want a long career you have to start somewhere. I'd rather this route than a Bergevin in Montreal or a Florida GM who lets a 30 + goal scorer walk for nothing. Or a GM that trades Turris + a 1st + for Duchene. Let's see what he's got.

Dubas can go either way. Bergevin did a Burkie and in fairness Molson forced him into the PK deal. The Panthers seriously blew it with their GM and coach. Dubas is well insulated here. Just don't do anything stupid and wait for Matthews, Marner and Nylander to develope into the players we believe they will be. Of course, signing Tavares on July 1st would give him lots of brownie points with Leaf nation

 

[Peasy]

Everyone is afraid of him getting fleeced by other gms.

Look at John Chayka's trades. Hes even younger, and has way less experienced. IMO, his trades have been extremely solid, and has yet to get rinsed. More often then not, hes come out on top. These narratives get ridiculous.

 

[LeafFever]

If you guys don't like this situation then become Canes fans and follow "Experienced" Don Waddell .LOL
The Leafs were in the best situation of any team having to pick between 2 great candidates.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Yeah I've had time to digest this and I don't like it. Too young, no high level hockey experience, I doubt he has any allegiance or buddies in high places on other teams and he looks like a hipster. What coach is going to want to take orders from him? What other GM is going to blink first in a stare down at trade deadline? If they wanted to go all-in on analytics, they could have bought a computer.

 

[Pookie]

1. It’s been said by those that know him and see him work that he is energetic, influential, and not a push over.
2. It has been said by those inside the organisation, the old dogs themselves, that he has the respect of the experienced staff. Babcock said “he is a superstar” and “he is decades smarter than I am”

I think the bigger question is will he have the respect of the fan base and media?

It shouldn’t matter but it does in terms of longevity in the position.

If he’s making moves with “moneyball” in mind, the stats he will use will likely be proprietary and not publicly available. Performance, health metrics and other variables.

If he makes an unpopular move, he can’t provide his rationale.

And if it doesn’t immediately pay off, that’s a recipe for a roast.

He’s got a VERY tough set of circumstances

 

[Peasy]

Yeah I've had time to digest this and I don't like it. Too young, no high level hockey experience, I doubt he has any allegiance or buddies in high places on other teams and he looks like a hipster. What coach is going to want to take orders from him? What other GM is going to blink first in a stare down at trade deadline? If they wanted to go all-in on analytics, they could have bought a computer.

I think it would be beneficial if you would do research on Dubas instead of just completely basing your judgement on the way he looks.