Rumor: Dreger: Belief that Mason McTavish is going to be traded

[viper0220]

Mctavish to Ottawa looks a lot more likely right now.

Ottawa and Senators don’t make good trading partners.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

My guess is 25OA and Logan Hensler is the offer from Ottawa.

Don’t see the Sens including Yakemchuk and I don’t think McTavish is good enough for 9OA.

Then local Ottawa boy McTavish stays in Anaheim.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Mctavish to Ottawa looks a lot more likely right now.

Doesn't Ottawa have enough centers all ready?

 

[robbieboy3686]

Doesn't Ottawa have enough centers all ready?

Sens might want MacT as a 1st Line wing

 

[TommyDangles]

As a 20 year old he had 23 points in 21 games to open the season. As a 22 year old he had 33 in 36 to close the season. That's not just a week or two, that takes 2+ months of sustaining that level. Also keep in mind, he did that on a team with a terrible PP, and without great linemates.

If that's his ceiling then yes, he could be a 70-80 point guy. Whether he can ever sustain it for a full season remains to be seen.



Skating yes, effort no. No one's ever questioned his work ethic.

There's a lot of players that can put up points for a stretch. Mittelstadt had a few stretches like that. To be a 70-80 point guy you need more than that.

The team sucked when McTavish had a bigger role. Q had him lower in the lineup when the Ducks got good. He knew McTavish was a liability out there.

With my own eyes I've seen him take shifts off & float out there when he didn't have the puck. He's too reactive of a player. I just don't see him ever being a top end guy like that.

 

[FiveTacos]

There's a lot of players that can put up points for a stretch. Mittelstadt had a few stretches like that. To be a 70-80 point guy you need more than that.

I agree, but I would argue that when it's 20 or 30+ games, that's at least a sign that the talent/ceiling is there. And he wouldn't be the first player to not have consistency by his 22/23 year old season.

The team sucked when McTavish had a bigger role.

He was playing with no one, and still put up good stretches. Playing on shit teams that get caved in is not an environment for putting up near point per game numbers for months at a time, unless you actually have talent.

Q had him lower in the lineup when the Ducks got good. He knew McTavish was a liability out there.

He started out as their 2C ... And that was the Ducks' best line. In fact even over the full season, no line with significant minutes had a better xG%.

Q spread his scoring out. By the end, Gauthier was on the 3rd line ... Doesn't mean he was a liability.

With my own eyes I've seen him take shifts off & float out there when he didn't have the puck. He's too reactive of a player. I just don't see him ever being a top end guy like that.

A 23 year old took shifts off and floated? If that's a reason to get rid of a guy, you won't have (m)any young players left.

 

[robbieboy3686]

I agree, but I would argue that when it's 20 or 30+ games, that's at least a sign that the talent/ceiling is there. And he wouldn't be the first player to not have consistency by his 22/23 year old season.



He was playing with no one, and still put up good stretches. Playing on shit teams that get caved in is not an environment for putting up near point per game numbers for months at a time, unless you actually have talent.


He started out as their 2C ... And that was the Ducks' best line. In fact even over the full season, no line with significant minutes had a better xG%.

Q spread his scoring out. By the end, Gauthier was on the 3rd line ... Doesn't mean he was a liability.



A 23 year old took shifts off and floated? If that's a reason to get rid of a guy, you won't have (m)any young players left.

+1000 to these responses

 

[RedHawkDown]

I think Yakemchuk+Batherson for Mctavish+

That is unhinged. wtf? Why the f*** would Ottawa do this

 

[FiveTacos]

Oh and since you brought up Mittelstadt, I went back and looked at what he did at a similar age to see if he had managed multi-month stretches of looking like a low end 1C:

age 19/20: best month was 5 points in 9 games, no month over 6 points
age 20/21: best month 7 in 13 games
age 21/22: best month 13 in 16 games, no other month over 3 points
age 22/23: best month 9 in 14 games, then 7 in 14

So no, he did not demonstrate anything remotely close to McTavish at a comparable age. Never even got to a 20 game stretch, never mind 30+ games, near a ppg rate. At 23 years old, the two weren't even in the same zip code.

Mittelstadt's first season where he actually showed scoring line production for any real length of time was in the year he turned 24. McTavish doesn't turn 24 until next January.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Oh and since you brought up Mittelstadt, I went back and looked at what he did at a similar age to see if he had managed multi-month stretches of looking like a low end 1C:

age 19/20: best month was 5 points in 9 games, no month over 6 points
age 20/21: best month 7 in 13 games
age 21/22: best month 13 in 16 games, no other month over 3 points
age 22/23: best month 9 in 14 games, then 7 in 14

So no, he did not demonstrate anything remotely close to McTavish at a comparable age. Never even got to a 20 game stretch, never mind 30+ games, near a ppg rate. At 23 years old, the two weren't even in the same zip code.

Mittelstadt's first season where he actually showed scoring line production for any real length of time was in the year he turned 24. McTavish doesn't turn 24 until next January.

 

[tomd]

It is remarkable that pretty much every one of your posts takes a shot at Verbeek. What are his bad trades? Please list them all and then compare them to his total number of trades. I can assure you the good trades vastly outweigh the bad (and its is not even close).

I don't think the ducks will give away McTavish. They can afford to be patient and wait for a team needing a center to overpay. And for the record, Ottawa might overpay given that they like him, they need a forward, and he's signed long term. Worst case is he returns and becomes a slightly overpaid winger/3c. That is literally the worst case, which isn't too bad at all.

Verbeek will and should be evaluated by the totality of his trades and signings. So far, he's done a pretty solid (not perfect) job. He was nominated by his peers as a top GM last year. Your seeming relentless hate for the guy causes you to lose perspective.

Verbeek made some good trades when he was selling players. But his record recently has been pretty poor IMO. I hated the Carlson trade, Hated losing the 18OA pick which could have been used to get Kesselring. Hate that he appears to actively be trying to trade McTavish when his value is at its lowest. Hate that he put the team in an awful position of losing all 3 veteran RD at once. The only good trades he's made have been small reclamation projects in Trouba, Kreider, and Viel (and it looks like Trouba and Viel will walk). He hasn't made a trade that improved the team in the long run since Gauthier. His ability to actually build a team that can be a long term SC contender is very much in doubt right now IMO.

 

[viper0220]

Then local Ottawa boy McTavish stays in Anaheim.

McTavish is not the answer to Ottawa's problem, they need to go big or go rebuild.

McTavish has yet to score over 55 points in the NHL.

 

[duckpuck]

Verbeek made some good trades when he was selling players. But his record recently has been pretty poor IMO. I hated the Carlson trade, Hated losing the 18OA pick which could have been used to get Kesselring. Hate that he appears to actively be trying to trade McTavish when his value is at its lowest. Hate that he put the team in an awful position of losing all 3 veteran RD at once. The only good trades he's made have been small reclamation projects in Trouba, Kreider, and Viel (and it looks like Trouba and Viel will walk). He hasn't made a trade that improved the team in the long run since Gauthier. His ability to actually build a team that can be a long term SC contender is very much in doubt right now IMO.

How did the ducks get the pick to draft Stian Solberg? He seems like an important future piece. Was some sort of trade involved?

Like all rebuilding teams, the GM trades initially involve getting rid of older guys (which you admit were good trades), drafting the future core, and adding pieces via UFA and smaller trades. Verbeek gets full credit for drafting Carlsson and Sennecke when most draft people had Fantilli rated higher and Sennecke not rated in the top 3, not to mention the Cutter trade. Those were massive franchise changing moves. The Cutter trade was VERY unusual - young core players who are top 5 picks are almost never traded on their ELC or before - yet Verbeek grabbed him. Your expectation that Verbeek trade for future core pieces is unrealistic. That is not how teams are built.

Trouba, Kreider and Viel were MASSIVE wins for the ducks. The ducks acquired 3 useful players for virtually no cost. Trouba was certainly not a small addition - we was a top pairing D man. And even the Zegras trade was, in hindsight, really a good trade for the ducks given Zegras' fit on the team and contract demands.

Just because McTavish is being shopped doesn't mean he will be given away. Verbeek's track record in making trades is very good. I have no concerns that he'll make a bad trade. In fact, I'm in the minority in thinking McTavish won't be traded absent a massive overpay or a scenarios where a big piece (like Thomas or Larkin or Hronek) is the return. Time will tell.

Your comment that Verbeek doesn't know how to build a long term SC contender is pretty laughable. By all accounts, the ducks pipeline is one of the most admired by other GMs, pundits, and fan bases. It is fine to disagree, but you're taking the Carlson trade (which personally I liked, but I get the objections) and ignoring all of his other trades/draft picks. That is not reasonable.

Assuming they keep the current core of LaCombe, Carlson, Cutter, and Sennecke, the ducks are set up for the next decade, particularly if McQueen develops and McTavish bounces back. The young d pipeline is unproven but the best pipeline in the league. And the Lacombe contract is going to be a huge win for the ducks - another Verbeek win.